I know there is already a thread on this topic but things got kinda heated about a year ago so I propose a fresh thread. Has anything happened to the proposed conversion of the T&P Warehouse in the last year? I sure would like to see someone develop this building...

T&P Warehouse Redevelopment
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Posted 10 September 2010 - 07:53 AM
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Kara B.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 04:59 PM
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 06:14 PM
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:55 PM
That is very interesting. Perhaps you can answer some follow up questions:
How did they load the freight into the warehouse building? Looking at an aerial view on Bing maps it does not appear to be especially obvious. There is one entrance that looks like it goes under the basement of the refrigerated portion of the building (i.e., the portion with no windows). Did trains actually go inside the building to drop off the cars?
Also, was this some sort of regional freight hub for the T&P railroad as opposed to merely something to serve Fort Worth? I am not aware of the T&P having any facility comparable in Dallas? Was there one to your knowledge?
I know that the Santa Fe Railroad had a multi-building complex occupying multiple blocks directly behind the Sante Fe Building office skyscraper. One of them - which has a very nice penthouse that was the home to radio station WFAA and was once connected to the Santa Fe Building via bridge many floors over the street - has been converted into lofts. That complex has underground tunnels and special trains were used to haul in the freight because of the danger of the exhaust on normal trains. But I am not aware of that railroad having anything at all comparable in Fort Worth. Nor am I aware of a comparable facility by ANY railroad that served Dallas. So I am wondering if the two facilities - the T&P freight depot in Fort Worth and the Santa Fe complex in Dallas - were perhaps regional hubs of some sort.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:18 PM
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:48 PM
How are the shipments handled today?
I know that a lot of train shipments today are containerized and fully integrated into the ocean going ship and trucking networks. For example, goods from a factory in China can be placed in a container that is loaded on a ship and, when it gets to the USA, is loaded on a train and ultimately on a truck for final delivery. In those cases, the container is not opened (except for spot checks by Customs) between the time it leaves the factory until it reaches its final destination.
But I know that does not account for all train freight traffic - so I, too, would be interested in hearing what Andy or someone else has to say on that.
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Posted 13 September 2010 - 01:14 PM
All the freight tracks were on the outside of the T&P freight building on the south side. There was another, lower freight building to the south of the big one. It has been demolished for many years.
The PDF below from pages in my collection gives the whole story of the building of both the Terminal and the Freight Depots....
TP Depot
Pete Charlton
The Fort Worth Gazette blog
The Lost Antique Maps of Fort Worth on CDROM
Website: Antique Maps of Texas
Large format reproductions of original antique and vintage Texas & southwestern maps
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 02:28 PM
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 01:50 PM
Sorry. Just wired that way.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 04:51 PM
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:25 AM
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 01:37 PM
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 10:21 PM
Link to article
The owners of the Texas & Pacific Warehouse were given another extension Thursday by a city board and now have until Aug. 30 to present completed loan documents before they can receive $9.1 million from the Lancaster Tax Increment Finance District.
At Thursday's board meeting, Cleopatra asked for a 20-month extension on its agreement, saying easement issues with the city developed in June that will cause its construction timetable to be delayed again.
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 04:21 PM
Link to article
"The City Council last month voted to begin condemnation on land it wants to acquire, as well as a portion it wants to use as a temporary construction easement for the extension of Lamar Street south past the Union Pacific Railroad tracks to Hemphill Street"
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:00 PM
What's the median square footage on the planned apartments, I wonder?
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Posted 08 July 2011 - 06:26 PM
According the this article about the T&P Warehouse, it sounds like the city is moving forward with connecting Lamar Street over the railroad tracks to Hemphill. That will be nice to have. It should help both Lancaster and Downtown South.
Link to article
"The City Council last month voted to begin condemnation on land it wants to acquire, as well as a portion it wants to use as a temporary construction easement for the extension of Lamar Street south past the Union Pacific Railroad tracks to Hemphill Street"
This looks like it should go under T&P Warehouse Redevelopment
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 08:57 AM
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:10 PM
True, but I think the city is aware of the current state of the Real Estate Industry and will probably give any project that's moving in a positive direction some breathing room as long as they get the job done.If I were the city, I would say my patience has worn out.
I just hope they have some provision to ensure the structure doesn't decay any more than it already has. It would be criminal to have a company sit on a project so long that it had to be destroyed.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:21 AM
Looks like there is new development for the T&P Warehouse: Link
A tree grows on the roof?? Anyone with a really big zoom lens think they can get a shot of this? *hint hint*
We will take a look on our next photo flight! The satellite picture does show several green objects on the roof.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:27 AM
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:56 AM
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:04 AM

01-12-08_1526 by johnkirking, on Flickr
There's a tree, but it was winter so no leaves.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:54 AM
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:51 AM
I thought the redevelopment delays were due to the intransigence of the female owner? Could you provide a brief update as to "city street extension "? I must have missed it in the news accounts.Yes, the last time I was up on the roof, a tree was growing out of it and you could see the tree from Lancaster Avenue. It's a shame that the city street extension has hampered the redevelopment of this beautiful Art Deco structure.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:08 AM
I thought the redevelopment delays were due to the intransigence of the female owner? Could you provide a brief update as to "city street extension "? I must have missed it in the news accounts.
Yes, the last time I was up on the roof, a tree was growing out of it and you could see the tree from Lancaster Avenue. It's a shame that the city street extension has hampered the redevelopment of this beautiful Art Deco structure.
See a couple posts above this. I posted the link from Fort Worth Business Press.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:44 PM
"The project planned for restoration of the Texas & Pacific Warehouse Building has been stalled due to street realignment. HFW said it hopes the building’s owner, Cleopatra Investments Ltd., will make quick progress once street plans are worked out.". From [ Fort Worth Business Press ]
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:05 AM
Also, there may be logistical issues with doing the building remodel and the road construction concurrently:
The owners say repeated delays with a city street project that would temporarily occupy a portion of their site have inhibited their ability to move forward.
Interesting, though... I guess the Lamar-Hemphill extension is going forward in order to improve access between the Near Southside and Downtown, but what will it really provide that Henderson and Jennings don't already do? Jennings pretty much dumps right into Hemphill directly; why is the Lamar link needed?
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:56 PM
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:31 PM
Any updates?
Fort Worth Texas
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:27 AM
I haven't seen any new activity. Currently it's still just a background for people who want a old grunge-y building to take pictures in front of.
#37
Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:06 AM
Implode that ugly thing!!!
#38
Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:15 AM
It's not ugly - it's just neglected. I wish we had more big, cool warehouses left in this town for restoration and adaptive reuse.
If an owner who was LESS TALK, MORE ROCK owned it instead of its current situation, it would be one amazing redevelopment.
(And it doesn't need any stinkin' driveways cut through it, either!)
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:21 AM
Guys, you don't really realize what a diamond in the rough we have in this building. There is a lot of great potential for redevelopment. Also, the building can't be imploded in the near future. It is a Highly Significant and Endangered Landmark in the City of Fort Worth; therefore, it has the highest level of historic designation and protection.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:34 AM
Guys, you don't really realize what a diamond in the rough we have in this building. There is a lot of great potential for redevelopment. Also, the building can't be imploded in the near future. It is a Highly Significant and Endangered Landmark in the City of Fort Worth; therefore, it has the highest level of historic designation and protection.
The state legislature may pass a casino gambling bill this session. If so, one of the casinos is slated for Tarrant County. Why not offer this warehouse to a Jack Binion-type to spruce it up a la early 20th century, bring in the slot machines,keno tables, dance hall girls, and liven up south downtown Fort Worth?
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:45 AM
Gawd, that would be an awesome use for the building... and walking distance from the train, to boot. And it would trigger quite a bit of development in the immediate area- restaurants and such.
And the name of the casino? Well, "Hell's Half Acre" of course!
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:01 PM
(And it doesn't need any stinkin' driveways cut through it, either!)
No doubt....
I don't think it's ugly either, it's just no kept up. I'd love to see it become housing with business' or retail at the bottom floor. Something more along T&P's pricing that isn't so extravagant like The Tower's.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:55 PM
I was over there walking around Sunday night.
I was surprised to see this girl sitting on the dock in the back. But not so surprised that did not get 105mm on her before I left her be.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:57 PM
Guys, you don't really realize what a diamond in the rough we have in this building. There is a lot of great potential for redevelopment. Also, the building can't be imploded in the near future. It is a Highly Significant and Endangered Landmark in the City of Fort Worth; therefore, it has the highest level of historic designation and protection.
The state legislature may pass a casino gambling bill this session. If so, one of the casinos is slated for Tarrant County. Why not offer this warehouse to a Jack Binion-type to spruce it up a la early 20th century, bring in the slot machines,keno tables, dance hall girls, and liven up south downtown Fort Worth?
I am not a fan of gambling. But if we were to have gambling, this place would be perfect in my opinion. An excellent idea.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:11 PM
I love the photographs, Brian. Keep up the good work!
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:45 PM
I really feel that the developers of casinos would be averse to rebuilding an old building. How many old, restored buildings do you see as casinos in the US? I feel there have been several ideas for reuse that are superior to a casino. The ideal spot (again, in my opinion) would be one of the vacant lots east of the Convention Center, actually where Hell's Half Acre used to be (like that name by the way) That would be close to the transportation center (Intermodal... hate that name), could host a modern, fully featured hotel, and could be connected to the Convention Center.
#47
Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:32 PM
Like Brian, I am not a big fan of gambling.
Would a casino generate additional restaurant sales for the city or would it cannibalize or stress the existing levels of restaurant sales in other parts of the city such as Near South, North Side and West Seventh? How can we be sure that casino money generated in Fort Worth does not go to other parts of the state or even leave the state entirely? I am recalling some illegalities and misappropriations associated with the Texas State Lottery. I think a casino maybe economically dicey and a nightmare to regulate.
It is certainly very unpopular, but just raise taxes on everyone if needed; at least it is transparent.
Keep Fort Worth folksy
(Casinos in Texas may need its own thread.)
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:18 PM
Not to continue it, but I only see negative effects to a casino. I would love to see T&P's Warehouse built for Fort Worth, not for money grabbing people.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 03:20 PM
It might be time for someone to start a thread in the Miscellaneous forum for "Casino Gambling in Texas and Fort Worth". That way the pros and cons could be debated there.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:46 PM
I really wish someone would step up and redevelop this gem...
It will take some creativity possibly on the scale of Montgomery Plaza. The whole thing couldn't just be apartments. It could have some, but it is way too big for just residential. Event space? Hotel? Multi-function?
To lose it would be an atrocity to the city's fragile history. Fort Worth (and most other American cities) is a fraction as old as the great and secondary European cities, some of which have survived war with their historic buildings intact. Fort Worth needs to hold on to what it can, although a huge empty building is a liability.
We need to get some ideas flowing before demolition by neglect is a reality.
What can this thing be???
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