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[hipolyte]

Just heard that Greyhound is going to move into the ITC. Wasn't specified but I assume that this will open up their current location for redevelopement.

[JBB]

What took so long? I thought this was supposed to happen when the ITC opened.

[renamerusk]

"Bus Rail Air Intra-City Connectivity - excellent!"

"Keep Fort Worth Folksy!"

[Sam Stone]

This is good news and about time.

Anyone heard any rumors about redevelopment plans for that site? Does it take up a whole city block?

[Now in Denton]

This is good news and about time.

Anyone heard any rumors about redevelopment plans for that site?  Does it take up a whole city block?

I hope we use that site for a President's Museum . Lots of History with Fort Worth and U.S. President's. Read Ronald Reagan's Auto bio He mention's Fort Worth about 5 times . Its a funny story I belive it's on page 160 180 something.

Redo General Worth park and use the whole block for a JFK Memorial. Even if we have to nickel and dime our way another 40 year's get the money. We should spend big buck's because this will be our only real close chance to get a President's Library type place.

[safly]

Yah, I bet he forgot the name of that bigger city to the east of us. He probably kept reffering to JFK's assasination in FORT WORTH as being a great american tragedy, some 5 times.

" When Jack got shot in ah, in ahhhm.

(Leans over to a nearby SS agent)

"What was the name of that town again?"
"OHH WELLLL!" ( in my best Rich Little does RR voice)
" I think it was Fort Worth, it sure was a......"

That place needs to yield a great restaurant or MU condo development. I've looked into it since I moved into the HPL. Would make sense for them to leave that site, and the United Way too. Then again, the Pig did not fair too well in that area also.

Mos Def, redo Gen Worth Park and shut down those two blocks into a pedi-park. Not 9th next to the parking lot to the Court House, but 9th to 8th and Houston to Commerce. Keep the traffic flowing along the CC, not into it. Make Houston St. between 9th and 8th a street level parking lot, and one lane for the HPL garage to exit from, with a gate arm allowing the Houston St. level parked cars to enter that lane when exiting as well.

I don't get the FW claim to Presidential fame in an auto-bio, warranting a new park. .

[renamerusk]

This is good news and about time.

Anyone heard any rumors about redevelopment plans for that site?  Does it take up a whole city block?

I hope we use that site for a President's Museum . Lots of History with Fort Worth and U.S. President's. Read Ronald Reagan's Auto bio He mention's Fort Worth about 5 times ...

Great Idea; but wrong president.

I think that the first president that might warrant a memorial park in Fort Worth would rightfully be LBJ. I believe that Fort Worth may be the only major Texas city which does not have a memorial to a genuine Texas president. And quite frankly, Fort Worth is more representative of the class of the people who LBJ cared for and strived to help.

Then, and only after some appropriate memorial has been dedicated in Fort Worth should one be dedicated to Ronald Reagan. Just my humble opinion, but naming interstate highways after individuals who did not particularly have an association with Fort Worth or Texas seems a stretch. I would much prefer Fort Worth and Texas memorializes its own such as Audie Murphy, Jim Wright or John Tower, etal.

"Keep Fort Worth Folksy!"

[grow_smart]

Mos Def, redo Gen Worth Park and shut down those two blocks into a pedi-park. Not 9th  next to the parking lot to the Court House, but 9th to 8th and Houston to Commerce. Keep the traffic flowing along the CC, not into it. Make Houston St. between 9th and 8th a street level parking lot, and one lane for the HPL garage to exit from, with a gate arm allowing the Houston St. level parked cars to enter that lane when exiting as well.
 

Not sure I follow what you're saying...doesn't seem to make sense for HPL residents to have a dedicated lane. What are there, 30 units?

Anyway - you should share your ideas at the next 9th Street / Hyde Park meeting. Or just contact the project manage with the City. I'm sure you're aware of that project...

[safly]

About 30 units, but plenty of parking and users for daytime business and nighttime events. Hence a dedicated lane.

Basically park your car (angled/curbed) as a downtown visitor along each side of Houston St. from 7th or 8th to 9th. Then you end the parking on the western half of the block from the existing HPL parking garage exit-way til the end of 9th. Then place a crossing arm in front of the exit-way in the middle of the street to seperate street level parking traffic from parking garage traffic. The only obstacle may be from Fire Dept. codes, otherwise a great idea for added central DTFW street level parking. Would be scenic and landscaped, encourage patrons to visit C.DTFW businesses. Would re-route traffic flow from Houston St. til 7th to East or West of 7th. Then create exit routes for DTFW from there or encourage looping of DTFW from 7th and Houston St., Throckmorton, Main, Commerce, and so forth.

This mini-project would allow the possible closure or revamping of Gen. Worth Square's (which should be a very important place to DTFW visitors) unattractive auto traffic and distasteful "pimping out" of semi- public parking access on Main, to thus create a more pedestrian friendly and active mixed grass and brick Gen. Worth Square Park for downtowners and visitors alike to enjoy.
Would add character and class to our distinctive CC site, sort of a welcoming stage for FWCC visitors to experience.

So, what do ya'll think?

BTW, this is just one of a myriad of ideas flowing throughout my brain on how to best REVIVE Central DTFW. Plenty more where that came from.

[Urbndwlr]

I dont think adding parking is the answer. The last thing we need is more surface parking Downtown.

[grow_smart]

About 30 units, but plenty of parking and users for daytime business and nighttime events. Hence a dedicated lane.

Basically park your car (angled/curbed) as a downtown visitor along each side of Houston St. from 7th or 8th to 9th. Then you end the parking on the western half of the block from the existing HPL parking garage exit-way til the end of 9th. Then place a crossing arm in front of the exit-way in the middle of the street to seperate street level parking traffic from parking garage traffic. The only obstacle may be from Fire Dept. codes, otherwise a great idea for added central DTFW street level parking. Would be scenic and landscaped, encourage patrons to visit C.DTFW businesses. Would re-route traffic flow  from Houston St. til 7th to East or West of 7th. Then create exit routes for  DTFW from there or encourage looping of DTFW from 7th and Houston St., Throckmorton, Main, Commerce, and so forth. 

I need a diagram or something to follow this...

I do know that angled parking on a major street can create some SERIOUS problems. It's OK for lower volumes streets, but Houston isn't an example. The only location with angled parking in the CBD that I can think of is the Rail Market - although not sure if anyone parks there anymore. Jones down in that area has no traffic anyway.

I've seen some cities implementing 'back-in' angled parking because there is a theory it's safer. It's easier to back into a spot than back out.

[JBB]

The only location with angled parking in the CBD that I can think of is the Rail Market - although not sure if anyone parks there anymore. 

Or ever parked there.

[safly]

I have seen plenty of folks parking out near the RM. Wether they are conventioners or workers, I really can't say. I do know that someone tried looking into retail space in DTFW's RMarket, they were going to delay giving my group an answer on it. Supposedly they are expecting a whole 15K sqft. proposal from somebody. Not sure who.

Angled parking is all good with wide spaces and enclosed lots. Meaning you will have to pay or scan to get in it or out. If I had access to some of my older photos then i would be able to download an idea of what it would look like. The main reason why I strongly believe it could work is because of the number of existing lanes and that the retail sidewalks do not look to be getting any wider any time soon.

[Now in Denton]

This is good news and about time.

Anyone heard any rumors about redevelopment plans for that site?  Does it take up a whole city block?

I hope we use that site for a President's Museum . Lots of History with Fort Worth and U.S. President's. Read Ronald Reagan's Auto bio He mention's Fort Worth about 5 times ...

Great Idea; but wrong president.

I think that the first president that might warrant a memorial park in Fort Worth would rightfully be LBJ. I believe that Fort Worth may be the only major Texas city which does not have a memorial to a genuine Texas president. And quite frankly, Fort Worth is more representative of the class of the people who LBJ cared for and strived to help.

Then, and only after some appropriate memorial has been dedicated in Fort Worth should one be dedicated to Ronald Reagan. Just my humble opinion, but naming interstate highways after individuals who did not particularly have an association with Fort Worth or Texas seems a stretch. I would much prefer Fort Worth and Texas memorializes its own such as Audie Murphy, Jim Wright or John Tower, etal.

"Keep Fort Worth Folksy!"

No No No. Not just RR . I ment ALL U.S. President and it's relation to Fort Worth I gave RR as an example. Next to the Fort Worth JFK memorial. President from both parties.

[cberen1]

This is good news and about time.

Anyone heard any rumors about redevelopment plans for that site? Does it take up a whole city block?

First, the terminal is no more. Demolished yesterday (and continuing today).

It does not take up an entire block. There is a four or five story building occupying the Northeast corner of the property (1st floor used to be the Pig & Whistle). The Southeast corner is asphalt. It looks like Greyhound had about half the block.

I'll post a new thread under "Projects & New Construction".

[vjackson]

^^^^
Off subject...but is there anything located in the Pig and Whistle building??? It always seemed empty. I've allways thought that building was worthy of redevelopment...maybe lofts.

[cberen1]

^^^^
Off subject...but is there anything located in the Pig and Whistle building??? It always seemed empty. I've allways thought that building was worthy of redevelopment...maybe lofts.

I thought about trying to buy the property once so I asked around. I think there used to be a small accounting firm in the offices. It looks like they were renovated some time in the eighties or early nineties (I'm just guessing here).

[hooked]

There's at least one law firm there - a high-volume, creditor-side bankruptcy practice.

[Stadtplan]

Greyhound is closing its Dallas terminal, leaving low-income travelers in limbo

The downtown terminal, a travel hub for more than 40 years, will shutter in October. What’s next is unclear.

 

https://www.dallasne...elers-in-limbo/

[John T Roberts]

Here's Google Street View of the building:

 

https://www.google.c...i8192?entry=ttu

[george84]

The downtown Greyhound station in Houston closed recently as well, so this made me google it and apparently one developer has bought dozens of Greyhound stations around the country and has been closing them, presumably for prime development in downtown areas of major cities.

[Stadtplan]

The downtown Greyhound station in Houston closed recently as well, so this made me google it and apparently one developer has bought dozens of Greyhound stations around the country and has been closing them, presumably for prime development in downtown areas of major cities.

 

Paraphrasing from the article:

• Twenty Lake Holdings, a subsidiary of investment firm Alden Global Capital
• They bought 33 Greyhound stations from UK-based First Group two years ago
• $140 million

[george84]

Thanks, I did not read it due to the paywall.

[Crestline]

A non-paywalled article linked on the Greyhound wikipedia page gives some more color to the issue. I gather what's happening is that Greyhound's ownership has realized it's lucrative to sell off its stations for fast cash and force passengers to sit out on the curb. Financialized capitalism stays winning!   

 

In the near term, I suppose the only solution to this problem (for those who see it as such) is public ownership of ITC-style terminals.