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#51 FortWorthian

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Posted 10 December 2024 - 09:47 PM

City Council meeting is still going.

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Posted 10 December 2024 - 11:53 PM

Motion to approve: passed
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Posted 11 December 2024 - 06:16 AM

Motion to approve: passed
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Fort Worth approves Mercy Cultures human trafficking victim shelter after heated debate
By Harrison Mantas Updated December 11, 2024 1:54 AM
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Posted 11 December 2024 - 08:31 AM

Things got pretty heated (at 6:56:30) between Mayor Parker and Councilman Nettles:

 

https://www.youtube....X7KKwmJ&t=24986

 

"Scripture commands us to love our neighbor.....you can shake your head Chris Nettles, but I've given you the time tonight." - Mayor Parker

"Don't call my name out like that.  Don't call my name out like that." - Councilman Nettles



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Posted 11 December 2024 - 04:03 PM

I was following along with Harrison Matas's Twitter thread last night.  I'm glad to hear that two concerns were brought up: the lack of confidentiality or anonymity about the location and the sustainability of the project.  Ministries switch gears and change directions on a pretty regular basis.  What happens to their 100 bed dorm when they decide to move on?  What's to stop them from using it for a full-blown residential purpose without the same security?  The size and number of people housed will require a massive number of people for staffing, security, and maintenance.  Is that sustainable in the long term?  All that said, I'm not sure I fault the council for taking cover behind avoiding a potential legal fight.  I think the ministry would have been backed by people with the means to fund a long and very costly legal battle.



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Posted 11 December 2024 - 04:41 PM

I wonder about escalating cost of construction since 2020 when this was first introduced.  I know of a local church that owns enough land to wholehearted develop it, but retracted from that plan because what would have cost $12-15M to build a new facility 5-10 years ago now costs $20-30M all-in.  It would be interesting to track some of these projects that have elongated timelines, and see if escalation and inflation can actually outpace the ability to fundraise?  I think you look at too, the building finance campaigns of more traditional congregations and see how they fundraise compared to a timeline to build.  There's one in Arlington that I know of who probably spent decades planning and saving, maybe even conservatively investing some of those funds with the goal of one day executing a new facility; and they ended up building a beautiful church and sold their old one. 

 

As you mentioned, there's ongoing operating costs and costs of services rendered to clients that certainly has to be part of the equation.  I would think 107 mouths to feed 3x per day, water use, electricity, security, insurance, payroll etc would add up pretty quickly.

 

I was curious on the hard costs and asked ChatGPT: "how much would it cost to operate a 100-bed dormitory and counseling center in Texas with 100 full time clients needing food, shelter and supervision?"  Some of the unknowns: are the victim/clients onsite 100% of the time or is it like a work-release program where they leave and come back?  Will they be required to self-fund part of their tuition through internships or manual labor at the church?  Will their loved ones be asked to fund part of their tuition?  I ask not sarcastically but I actually have a friend that attend a "training school" at one of these bigger ministries and they had to raise their own "support" to pay around $10,000 per semester of tuition and then the ministry actually had them doing upwards of 40-hours of unpaid internship doing administrative work for the organization, which raises a ton of ethical and legal / labor questions.
 

ChatGPT said:

Operating a 100-bed dormitory and counseling center in Texas, serving 100 full-time clients who require food, shelter, and supervision, will depend on factors such as the level of supervision, type of counseling provided, and location. Below is an estimate based on typical operating expenses for such a facility:

 

1. Key Operating Costs Staffing Costs

Staffing is typically the largest expense. For this type of facility, staffing could include:

  • Counselors/Therapists: Licensed professionals for individual and group therapy.
  • Support Staff: Case managers, supervisors, and administrative staff.
  • Direct Care Staff: Residential aides to provide 24/7 supervision.
  • Food Service Staff: Kitchen staff to prepare meals.
  • Maintenance and Security: Facility upkeep and safety personnel.

Staffing Costs Estimate:

  • Salaries + benefits for ~25–40 staff: $2.5–4.5 million annually.
Food Services

Providing three meals a day for 100 residents:

  • Food Costs Estimate$300,000–$500,000 annually, depending on dietary needs.
Housing and Utilities

Costs for maintaining a 100-bed dormitory and communal spaces:

  • Utilities: Electricity, water, internet, and heating/cooling.
  • Repairs/Maintenance: Ongoing upkeep of the facility.
  • Housing Costs Estimate$250,000–$500,000 annually.
Program and Counseling Supplies
  • Therapy materials, educational resources, and recreational supplies.
  • Supplies Estimate$50,000–$100,000 annually.
Insurance
  • Liability, workers' compensation, and property insurance.
  • Insurance Costs Estimate$100,000–$250,000 annually.
Regulatory and Compliance Costs
  • Licensing fees, inspections, and adherence to state requirements.
  • Compliance Costs Estimate$50,000–$100,000 annually.
2. Total Annual Operating Costs

Combining all the above, the estimated annual operating costs for a 100-bed dormitory and counseling center in Texas are:

$3.5–6 million annually.

 

3. Per Client Cost

The annual cost per client is typically between $35,000–$60,000, depending on service levels and efficiency.

Additional Factors to Consider
  1. Level of Care: If clients have high needs, such as intensive counseling or 24/7 supervision, staffing ratios and costs may increase.
  2. Revenue Streams: Facilities may offset costs through grants, state or federal funding, private donations, or client fees.
  3. Location: Costs in urban areas may be higher due to salaries and real estate expenses.
  4. Specialized Services: If the center includes medical or psychiatric care, additional costs will apply.

Would you like further breakdowns of staffing models, funding strategies, or cost-saving approaches?



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Posted 11 December 2024 - 08:44 PM

...All that said, I'm not sure I fault the council for taking cover behind avoiding a potential legal fight.  I think the ministry would have been backed by people with the means to fund a long and very costly legal battle.

 

The same council that approved $13.4M for 295 acres of vacant land in the same meeting? For open space?

The same council that spent $608k on the legal fight against game rooms?

Give me a break.

Nobody cares because this isn't Tanglewood or Rivercrest or Westcliff. Unfortunately the precedent has been set, and the City has caved.



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Posted 03 January 2025 - 05:24 PM

Editorials
Mattie Parker, City Council gave a Fort Worth church a bullying blueprint
Opinion By The Fort Worth Star-Telegram Editorial Board January 03, 2025 5:32 AM
 
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Posted 10 January 2025 - 09:40 PM

Justice Reform files Drainage Study:

 

Record DS-25-0004: 
Drainage Study
Record Status: Pending
 
Project Description:
Justice Reform
New construction on developed lot, some of which is within a drainage easement
 
DRAINAGE PROJECT INFO
Total Plat or Project Area (Acres): 12.46
Land Disturbance Area (Acres): 1.68
 
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Posted 15 January 2025 - 11:39 AM

 

Justice Reform files Drainage Study:

 

Record DS-25-0004: 
Drainage Study
Record Status: Pending
 
Project Description:
Justice Reform
New construction on developed lot, some of which is within a drainage easement
 
DRAINAGE PROJECT INFO
Total Plat or Project Area (Acres): 12.46
Land Disturbance Area (Acres): 1.68
 
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Accela filing changed to be called "Oakhurst Development" 

 

Project Description:
Oakhurst Development
New construction on developed lot, some of which is within a drainage easement


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 10:58 PM

Grading Permit Filed:

 

Record CG25-00009: 
Commercial Grading Permit
Record Status: Plan Review
 
Project Description:
Justice Reform
 
Grading Type: Final
Grading Disturbed Acres:1.68
 
 





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