I decided to start a new topic since this has changed significantly from an expansion of the law school. Announcement today.
https://fortworthrep...own-fort-worth/
There is no timeline in this article. This is huge news to say the least.
Texas A&M to build urban satellite campus in Fort Worth
#1
Posted 10 November 2021 - 06:36 AM
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#4
Posted 10 November 2021 - 08:31 AM
There is no timeline in this article. This is huge news to say the least.
Star-Telegram says they'll break ground in mid/late 2022 and the first two buildings will open a year later. https://www.star-tel...e255671946.html
#5
Posted 10 November 2021 - 09:02 AM
Always great to see three surface parking lots (from what I can tell) eliminated!
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#6
Posted 10 November 2021 - 09:02 AM
I guess I will need to add the current building to the list of structures designed to have more floors added, but the additions never occurred, and the building was demolished at the initial construction height. Of course, this will happen when it is demolished.
#8
Posted 10 November 2021 - 10:03 AM
That's the plan according to the first article.
#9
Posted 10 November 2021 - 10:39 AM
am I wrong in reading this as showing Calhoun being closed between 13th and 16th street? as well as 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th between Calhoun and Jones?
#10
Posted 10 November 2021 - 10:48 AM
am I wrong in reading this as showing Calhoun being closed between 13th and 16th street? as well as 13th, 14th, 15th, and 16th between Calhoun and Jones?
Yes, Fort Worth Report says this courtyard pictured "will take over Calhoun Street, which will be shuttered for this project."
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Posted 10 November 2021 - 02:11 PM
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Posted 11 November 2021 - 03:16 PM
Now those two lots to the south of this future campus looks very appetizing for some kind of development. For expansion ? As some are already hinting for more campus growth. Or for a high tech company that will want to be next door ? I don't think anyone will miss the street separating the two lots to make it into one. It will be a super block, so what difference will adding two more lots to the campus harm ?
#16
Posted 11 November 2021 - 07:30 PM
Anyone think there's a chance that Sundance Square management will have a problem with someone attempting to create another plaza space downtown?
#17
Posted 11 November 2021 - 07:33 PM
Anyone think there's a chance that Sundance Square management will have a problem with someone attempting to create another plaza space downtown?
My personal thoughts:
They can have a "problem" with it all they want . . .
Downtown needs to grow past Sundance. Period.
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Posted 11 November 2021 - 08:46 PM
Anyone think there's a chance that Sundance Square management will have a problem with someone attempting to create another plaza space downtown?
My personal thoughts:
They can have a "problem" with it all they want . . .
Downtown needs to grow past Sundance. Period.
speaking of Sundance, I thought it was interesting John Goff (of Crescent Real Estate) was a prominent speaker.
I can't recall where I read the "theory" that the reason he from Ft. Worth had never done a project in Fort Worth before was a friendly détente with the Bass family and their Fort Worth interests.
Now suddenly here a very prominent figure with 2 very prominent projects in town.
#19
Posted 11 November 2021 - 09:59 PM
Anyone think there's a chance that Sundance Square management will have a problem with someone attempting to create another plaza space downtown?
My personal thoughts:
They can have a "problem" with it all they want . . .
Downtown needs to grow past Sundance. Period.
speaking of Sundance, I thought it was interesting John Goff (of Crescent Real Estate) was a prominent speaker.
I can't recall where I read the "theory" that the reason he from Ft. Worth had never done a project in Fort Worth before was a friendly détente with the Bass family and their Fort Worth interests.
Now suddenly here a very prominent figure with 2 very prominent projects in town.
And that's the direction we need to go...
#20
Posted 12 November 2021 - 12:59 PM
Back to A&M, if they are taking over 4 blocks, including road closures, I wonder if they could build some of the parking underground?
#21
Posted 13 November 2021 - 07:14 AM
Adding to the Water Gardens should be part of this whole deal.
#22
Posted 13 November 2021 - 08:46 AM
Anyone think there's a chance that Sundance Square management will have a problem with someone attempting to create another plaza space downtown?
I don't think they would have a problem with the envisioned A&M plaza because it's not competitive: while Sundance Square is a downtown dining and entertainment space, the A&M plaza would be a more staid academic space. In other words, there on the edge of town I don't imagine the A&M plaza being a public draw; it'll just be a nice amenity local to the student and faculty body.
Adding to the Water Gardens should be part of this whole deal.
I think the water gardens could easily extend south to the Lancaster sidewalk, but I don't see how they'd extend east into the A&M project. Jump over Commerce and occupy some of the law school building acreage?
#23
Posted 26 April 2022 - 08:20 AM
A&M Fort Worth has it's first Associate Vice Chancellor, Kim McCuistion.
https://www.yourstep...pus/7448223001/
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Posted 26 April 2022 - 02:54 PM
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#25
Posted 26 April 2022 - 06:06 PM
Im really excited about the new A&M campus. I just want to see it moved to panther island. This downtown location is too small for what it could potentially become.
...honestly, that's the first time I've thought about that, and now that I AM thinking about it... that makes more sense.
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Posted 26 April 2022 - 06:50 PM
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#27
Posted 27 April 2022 - 07:18 AM
I don't see how they'd extend east into the A&M project. Jump over Commerce and occupy some of the law school building acreage?
Actually you could probably do something like the TCC River East Campus, where the plaza is below grade. It could be joined into the Active Pool.
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#29
Posted 20 May 2022 - 07:48 AM
Texas A&M to make over $1 billion investment in Fort Worth
https://www.wfaa.com...d0-0a5f936c2cd3
Can someone help me ID what I'm missing...
headline says $1B...
3rd sentence in story says, $1.5B
"The Texas A&M University Board of Regents voted to approve a $1.5 billion investment in Fort Worth."
5th and 6th sentence then mentions two batches of $85M each
"It's a five-year capital plan that involves $85 million to start construction on a law and education building in 2023. Then in 2024, the public university fund will use another $85 million towards the construction of a research and innovation center in Fort Worth."
How is either $1B or $1.5B calculated?
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#30
Posted 20 May 2022 - 10:21 AM
Texas A&M to make over $1 billion investment in Fort Worth
https://www.wfaa.com...d0-0a5f936c2cd3
Can someone help me ID what I'm missing...
headline says $1B...
3rd sentence in story says, $1.5B
"The Texas A&M University Board of Regents voted to approve a $1.5 billion investment in Fort Worth."
5th and 6th sentence then mentions two batches of $85M each
"It's a five-year capital plan that involves $85 million to start construction on a law and education building in 2023. Then in 2024, the public university fund will use another $85 million towards the construction of a research and innovation center in Fort Worth."
How is either $1B or $1.5B calculated?
I was wondering the same thing.
nevermind... I found it, a full rundown of the $1.5B number, a lot of which is projects all over the state/system
https://www.tamus.ed...o-capital-plan/
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#32
Posted 20 May 2022 - 11:55 AM
Is the Gateway tower just the old building that has floors added on and a new front entrance? I know the current building was designed to add additional floors in the future.
Also it is strange to look at this development and with all the surface parking it is going to take up there is still a huge swath of lots to the north. Hopefully this will spur growth to cover the remaining lots in the area. Now we need some retail spaces to coincide with all the potential growth.
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#33
Posted 20 May 2022 - 02:41 PM
The Gateway Center is a new building. Even though their existing building was designed to have 14 more floors added to it, the architects have decided to demolish the building and build a new structure. All of the buildings on this campus are new.
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#34
Posted 24 May 2022 - 05:06 PM
Those new renderings are nice. I do wish the project was a bit more... ambitious in appearance but regardless I guess it's whats inside that matters here. It looks like Jones St will be the backside of the project but hopefully they can work that out to be as pedestrian friendly as possible. Do we have any indication of who the architect is?
Notable: The A&M Board of Regents meeting was held in Fort Worth at Frost Tower. Pretty cool.
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Posted 24 May 2022 - 10:49 PM
#36
Posted 25 May 2022 - 07:20 AM
TAMU does not own any land on Panther Island but they do own 4 contiguous blocks at their current location in downtown. It's as simple as that.Not to rain on everyones parade, but the location is extremely short sighted. Im super happy the TAMU is coming to downtown, but we could have asked for more! TAMU panther island!! I dont understand why the city/A&M decided to build the campus at its current location. Can someone share a few reasons as to why the city wouldnt push for panther island for the new tamu campus?
#37
Posted 25 May 2022 - 10:38 AM
Exactly. The uncertainty of Panther Island is also likely a deterrent at the moment.
#39
Posted 25 May 2022 - 07:28 PM
Putting A&M up there on Crony Island would be using state educational funds to take acreage off of the tax rolls in an area one might hope will eventually become high-value real estate.
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Posted 25 May 2022 - 09:57 PM
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Posted 25 May 2022 - 10:07 PM
#43
Posted 25 May 2022 - 10:17 PM
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Posted 25 May 2022 - 10:33 PM
#45
Posted 25 May 2022 - 10:50 PM
Didnt the island just receive $400M? I would not call that uncertainty. Gdvanc, have you heard of Austin, TX? How about West Campus right next to UT? We can replicate the equation here. That A&M campus could be the biggest decision the city makes for the next 100 years. Austin55, that was my first thought but I eventually realized that Butler is on too much of an island and its only 40 or so acres. Just too small to really make an impact.
Yes, I've heard of Austin - believe it or not. When UT was established about 140 years ago, Austin was a very different town. It looked something like this:
UT has certainly benefitted from its location and the city has benefitted, but if they were building UT from scratch now, it wouldn't be sited where it is - that land would be too valuable. It's not a great comparison in any case. UT is a top 20 school in several categories with an enrollment of over 50,000 people from around the world, and it finds itself sitting in the capital of a state with a large economy, a city that has successfully attracted a number of high-tech companies and that anchors one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country. The equation is very, very different. You can argue that UTs presence is part of the draw for some of these things, but I'd respond that this would not change if the campus had been built a couple miles outside of what is now downtown.
Whatever A&M's plans are for their Fort Worth satellite, it is unlikely to ever be that. And whatever benefit it brings to the city, it can provide it where it is now. If it can ever support anything comparable to UT's West Campus, having that in that underdeveloped part of southeast downtown wouldn't be a horrible thing. It would be good for that part of downtown, nearest major transit hubs, to grow. I mean, it's still downtown.
I'm not sure you mean when you say that the "A&M campus could be the biggest decision the city makes for the next 100 years." What about this is a city decision?
I applaud your desire to see Fort Worth shine. I'm pretty sure most forum members do. We're just not all going to agree on how to get there. Or even what that looks like.
#46
Posted 26 May 2022 - 07:45 AM
Didnt the island just receive $400M? I would not call that uncertainty.
$400 million for final design for a project that was estimated to be over $1 billion before the current cost of materials and labor. And this project has been in the works for nearly a quarter century. Encouraging? Yes. Certain? Far from it.
#47
Posted 26 May 2022 - 11:56 AM
Didnt the island just receive $400M? I would not call that uncertainty. Gdvanc, have you heard of Austin, TX? How about West Campus right next to UT? We can replicate the equation here. That A&M campus could be the biggest decision the city makes for the next 100 years. Austin55, that was my first thought but I eventually realized that Butler is on too much of an island and its only 40 or so acres. Just too small to really make an impact.
Yes, I've heard of Austin - believe it or not. When UT was established about 140 years ago, Austin was a very different town. It looked something like this:
UT has certainly benefitted from its location and the city has benefitted, but if they were building UT from scratch now, it wouldn't be sited where it is - that land would be too valuable. Right, but the land only became valuable because UT created a talent pipeline for Austin's tech centric economy. UT fed Austin. Where would Austin be today if UT did not exist? Austin would be competing with San Antonio for Texas State students.
It's not a great comparison in any case. UT is a top 20 school in several categories with an enrollment of over 50,000 people from around the world, and it finds itself sitting in the capital of a state with a large economy, a city that has successfully attracted a number of high-tech companies and that anchors one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country. The equation is very, very different. You can argue that UTs presence is part of the draw for some of these things, but I'd respond that this would not change if the campus had been built a couple miles outside of what is now downtown. This A&M campus will sit at the heart of the fastest growing large city in America, in a region that is amongst some of the world's largest economies. So why is the equation so different? I mean UT came before the tech industry but, right? I would argue what we see in Austin today would have never taken place without the talent pipeline being generated by UT. So does Fort Worth want to be a tech centric city or not? That's what I am trying to address. Let's just say we had the A&M campus on Panther Island and it grew to 50K students over 50 to 100 years (UT Dallas is at 30K and I think they are 60 years old - also one of the best and most affordable public universities in the country). What do you think would happen to Fort Worth? What do you think would happen to the regional economy (Tarrant County)? What would happen to downtown? Why couldn't this campus become a top 20 campus over the next 100 years? These are not rhetorical questions. I want to know what you think.
Whatever A&M's plans are for their Fort Worth satellite, it is unlikely to ever be that. And whatever benefit it brings to the city, it can provide it where it is now. If it can ever support anything comparable to UT's West Campus, having that in that underdeveloped part of southeast downtown wouldn't be a horrible thing. It would be good for that part of downtown, nearest major transit hubs, to grow. I mean, it's still downtown. Agreed! The current location is a good location for a Satellite campus. However, I think we are missing the opportunity to do so much more. And that's the point of my post. And if Panther Island was so valuable, Developers would have figured it out long ago. Instead, the drive-in movie theater (which I love by the way) just signed a 7 year lease extension. I'm telling you, something is missing and the infrastructure improvements aren't going to build mini Vancouver. Honestly, I don't think we should be altering the Trinity trail/park system. If you look at the proposed plan today almost all of the open space goes. That trail system/river is arguably Fort Worth's best asset Fort Worth. When I see the Panther Island model I think we just want to become Dallas Jr. No, I want to be Fort Worth. We all know what's going to happen. Developers from Dallas are going to develop Panther Island. Get ready for Texas donuts on all 800 acres.
I'm not sure you mean when you say that the "A&M campus could be the biggest decision the city makes for the next 100 years." What about this is a city decision? Betsy Price and Jon Goff were the ones that made the call to TAMU leadership. They started to talk about what an expanded TAMU presence meant in Fort Worth. Here's something interesting for you, someone serving on a task force board told me that A&M was originally considering land along east Lancaster for the new campus. So yes, "the city," our leaders had a hand in steering the location of this campus.
I applaud your desire to see Fort Worth shine. I'm pretty sure most forum members do. We're just not all going to agree on how to get there. Or even what that looks like. I agree, and sorry about the "have you heard of Austin?" comment. I appreciate you entertaining the thought. Ultimately, that's the purpose of a forum. The exchange of ideas!
#49
Posted 26 May 2022 - 10:21 PM
I think it is also important to say that the downtown site comes with pre-existing transportation and restaurants and living spaces.
A campus in the Panther Island might incentivize those things, but I'm not sure it is reasonable to ask the university build a campus cantilevered, hoping for infill to hold it up, rather than build on top of infrastructure that already exists.
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Posted 27 May 2022 - 05:08 AM
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