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#1 johnfwd

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Posted 22 September 2022 - 10:10 AM

Occupying an office building at the corner of West 13th and Florence, I'm concerned about the increased traffic flow at this location once the new QuikTrip is constructed and opens for business.

 

QT will be situated just to the northeast of the busy intersection at Henderson and Lancaster.  I have seen the art drawing which doesn't appear to show any fuel pumps.  Nevertheless, QT is sure to generate more traffic at that intersection.  Motor vehicle ingress and egress so close to that intersection can't help but cause some traffic congestion, particularly during rush-hour periods. 

 

But I'm more concerned about potential congestion at ingress-egress off the narrow Florence Street and, as that may affect the east-west traffic flow on the much narrower West 13th Street.

 

I'm not against QTs.  But I often drive west on Lancaster and turn right onto Florence to my office building, and I often go north on Henderson and turn right onto West 13th toward the office.  The new QT portends to complicate my driving experience at this location.



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Posted 22 September 2022 - 10:09 PM

Does the 7-11 at W7th & Summit wreck traffic?  Why would a QT be any different?


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Posted 23 September 2022 - 12:15 AM

I think it will create more traffic but I don't believe to the point where alarms should be raised.  I think someone else mentioned that being a potential problem however I don't see how.  People who use that intersection are going to continue to use it as normal.  Then you will have a few people who travel there for gas.

 

The one issue I do see is that it doesn't look like it's going to be the urban design we hoped for and secondly if there is heavy traffic it's going to be from the lack of entrances.  One seems to be on 13th from Henderson and the other is on Florence off of Lancaster.  



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Posted 24 September 2022 - 10:13 AM

I'm not against QTs.  But I often drive west on Lancaster and turn right onto Florence to my office building, and I often go north on Henderson and turn right onto West 13th toward the office.  The new QT portends to complicate my driving experience at this location.

 

If this adds a couple of minutes (at worst) to your commute every day and gives you an extra dozen cars (at worst) to pay attention to while driving in the vicinity, then I think you'll adapt pretty quickly to the new traffic patterns. This is just the price we're going to have to pay to get rid of surface lots in this town.



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Posted 24 September 2022 - 11:10 AM

I wish they would replace surface lots with something other than convenience stores.

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Posted 24 September 2022 - 11:13 AM

The Rosedale location, which has a lot more pumps than this one, is busy but it's never like, gridlocked. And it has a 300-unit apartment building on the same side street. 
It has generated quite a bit of foot traffic.



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Posted 24 September 2022 - 06:39 PM

It has generated quite a bit of foot traffic.

 

Good foot traffic or questionable foot traffic?



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Posted 24 September 2022 - 09:50 PM

 

It has generated quite a bit of foot traffic.

 

Good foot traffic or questionable foot traffic?

 

Please define terms. :cheez:



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Posted 24 September 2022 - 10:13 PM

Good foot traffic or questionable foot traffic?


Yes.


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Posted 25 September 2022 - 05:25 PM

m & Rriojas71, I think it may be closer to the better urban design than you might think.  It is supposed to have a corner entrance at Henderson and Lancaster.  However, due to the grade change on the overall site, part of the building has to be above the grade at the lowest point.  Unfortunately, that is along Henderson at Lancaster.  It appears the windows at that point are going to be higher than desirable, but with the finish floor being on the parking lot side for handicapped accessibility, I don't see how it can be avoided.  As it is built, we will be able to see if the project turns out better or worse than we had expected.



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Posted 26 September 2022 - 12:44 PM

m & Rriojas71, I think it may be closer to the better urban design than you might think.  It is supposed to have a corner entrance at Henderson and Lancaster.  However, due to the grade change on the overall site, part of the building has to be above the grade at the lowest point.  Unfortunately, that is along Henderson at Lancaster.  It appears the windows at that point are going to be higher than desirable, but with the finish floor being on the parking lot side for handicapped accessibility, I don't see how it can be avoided.  As it is built, we will be able to see if the project turns out better or worse than we had expected.

I was looking at it at the corner of Henderson and Lancaster and I don't see where they are going to squeeze an entrance in there... one, it is going to be extremely close to the light pole and secondly, the way the sidewalk is around there it is difficult seeing how they plan to build up an access ramp or stairs.   I guess only time will tell.



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Posted 26 September 2022 - 12:49 PM

I have no objection to the new design for this QT.  But I'm really concerned about traffic along the very narrow and very short stretch of roadway which is West 13th Street.  If any of you have driven on this street, you would be as concerned as I am about an increased flow of traffic.  Let me point out that 13th Street will be the avenue for motorists leaving the QT and headed for Macon Street to take the southwest ramp that goes to I-30.  And, with a lot of vehicles going south on Macon to the ramp, especially during rush hour periods, motorists on 13th will have to wait their turn.  That could mean bumper-to-bumper traffic on 13th Street and that could back up to Florence.  I'm serious about this!



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Posted 26 September 2022 - 01:04 PM

In my experience, QT locations don't cause backups on surrounding streets.  Is there something unique about this location that would?



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Posted 26 September 2022 - 01:20 PM

In my experience, QT locations don't cause backups on surrounding streets.  Is there something unique about this location that would?

The only thing I can think of is that there are only 2 entrances and the one on Lancaster can only be accessed by going westward on Lancaster.  The northern entrance at 13th street is where the backup is going to occur with cars entering and exiting the location.



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Posted 26 September 2022 - 01:30 PM

I have no objection to the new design for this QT.  But I'm really concerned about traffic along the very narrow and very short stretch of roadway which is West 13th Street.  If any of you have driven on this street, you would be as concerned as I am about an increased flow of traffic.  Let me point out that 13th Street will be the avenue for motorists leaving the QT and headed for Macon Street to take the southwest ramp that goes to I-30.  And, with a lot of vehicles going south on Macon to the ramp, especially during rush hour periods, motorists on 13th will have to wait their turn.  That could mean bumper-to-bumper traffic on 13th Street and that could back up to Florence.  I'm serious about this!

 

If 13th backs up, I would go north to Texas St then over to Macon.  I would be more concerned with cars on W 13th trying to make that left onto Henderson south, that seems far riskier and more of a headache.  Either way, I can see a lot more traffic hitting 13th St more than it has seen in a long time.  Also, cars pulling out of QT on Florence St wanting to go west on Lancaster but cutting across to turn left on Henderson...now that could be a headache during busier traffic, especially if they pull across and block Lancaster's right turn lane to Henderson.  

 

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Posted 26 September 2022 - 09:22 PM

If any of you have driven on this street, you would be as concerned as I am about an increased flow of traffic.  Let me point out that 13th Street will be the avenue for motorists leaving the QT and headed for Macon Street to take the southwest ramp that goes to I-30.  And, with a lot of vehicles going south on Macon to the ramp, especially during rush hour periods, motorists on 13th will have to wait their turn.  That could mean bumper-to-bumper traffic on 13th Street and that could back up to Florence.  I'm serious about this!

Eh, I ride my bicycle northbound on Henderson under I-30 and usually turn on 13th Street because there's.  Never.  Any.  Traffic.  On.  13th.


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Posted 26 October 2022 - 03:50 PM

Maybe I didn't make it as clear as I should have.  I don't care about the Henderson/Lancaster intersection.  It can handle the new traffic flow from the QT.  Florence is not so much the problem, either, but it could be. It's West 13th Street from Florence to Macon Street that will be the problem.  Why?

 

During late afternoon rush hour, a lot of motorists head south on Macon to the frontal street going west to the I-30 entrance ramp.  During that period, when I pull out of my parking lot at 13th and Macon, I often have to wait for the procession of cars to pass by on Macon in order to enter the flow.  Now, it looks like some of the increased traffic from the QT will be going east on13th (from Florence) toward Macon in order to join the procession on its way to I-30.  Late afternoon rush hour may exacerbate this traffic flow.  It's possible a back-up of cars will result from the flow from Florence onto 13th as cars go south on Macon. Both Florence and 13th are very narrow streets.

 

I'm not a traffic engineer.  But I fear future headaches getting onto Macon Street at 13th to go home on I-30 during late afternoon rush hour.  We shall soon see.



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Posted 26 October 2022 - 09:44 PM

It seems like you're looking for a problem.


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Posted 29 October 2022 - 08:48 AM

I'm not a traffic engineer.  But I fear future headaches getting onto Macon Street at 13th to go home on I-30 during late afternoon rush hour.  We shall soon see.

 

If this adds a couple of minutes (at worst) to your commute every day and gives you an extra dozen cars (at worst) to pay attention to while driving in the vicinity, then I think you'll adapt pretty quickly to the new traffic patterns. This is just the price we're going to have to pay to get rid of surface lots in this town.



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Posted 30 October 2022 - 07:56 AM

Most traffic problems that people fret over are a matter of seconds rather than minutes.  Sure, it adds up over time, but you're likely have just as much a chance of getting held up by an accident or stalled vehicle or a train at a railroad crossing later or earlier in your commute.  Any traffic headache involving this QT is going to be for the people trying to exit the parking lot, not the people on the surrounding streets.



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Posted 03 November 2022 - 04:05 PM

 

 

It has generated quite a bit of foot traffic.

 

Good foot traffic or questionable foot traffic?

 

Please define terms. :cheez:

 

If you mean "urban camper" foot traffic, then yes. 






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