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#1 John T Roberts

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:50 PM

Our discussion on top of building signage has broughte to remember something that is very old school.  The subject of that matter are rooftop signs.  Back in the day, they were very common throughout many U.S. cities, and Fort Worth was no exception.  I'm sure many of you are not even aware that many of our current skyscrapers had large neon rooftop signs on them at one time.  I'm sure that I will forget a few, but I will try to run down as many as I can remember.  I'm sure I can go back and edit this list. 

 

Probably the most famous and well known rooftop sign was on the old Continental National Bank, which later was renamed the Landmark Tower.  What was reportedly the world's largest digital clock and revolving sign was erected on the roof of the building in 1957.  It was 32 feet tall, approximately 40 feet square, and was four sided.  It elevated the apparent height of the building from 380 feet to 420 feet.  Two of the sides read "CNB" in green and the other two sides were the digital timepiece.  It was removed after the tornado of 2000 and the building was ultimately imploded in 2006.  The building was the tallest in the city from 1957 until 1974.

 

The second tallest building in the 1960's, and the building that held the city's tallest title for the longest amount of time, is 714 Main.  That building actually had three signs on it.  In the 50's, 60's, and 70's there were two rooftop signs on the south and east side that sat above the cornice.  The each read "Continental Life".  They were illuminated in red neon.  They were removed around 1982 after Continental Plaza/777 Main was constructed across the street to the east.  This blocked the view of the sign from I-35W.  The third sign that was on the building was erected in the 60's and removed in the 70's.  Continental Oil Company (Conoco) also had offices in the building and they erected a "Conoco Brand" revolving neon logo on top of the building. 

 

The Fair Building/Commerce Building became the headquarters of World Service Life in the 60's and that building and the Oil and Gas Building became known as the Service Life Center.  They erected a red and blue neon revolving weather forecasting sign on top in the mid 1960's.  The letters originally read "SLC" but were later changed to "WSL" before the sign was removed.  It lasted until the 1980's, I think.

 

The Blackstone Hotel, once had a roof top sign on it that read "Hilton Hotel".  It was red neon. 

 

The Hotel Texas, now Fort Worth Hilton, once had a green neon sign on the roof that read, "Hotel Texas".  When it was converted into a Sheraton, a new "Sheraton" neon roof top sign was placed on top of the building.  When it was converted into a Hyatt Regency, the rooftop sign and structure were removed and the mechanical equipment and brick elevator overrun were hidden by a new illuminated roof screen.

 

At one time the Electric Building Annex had a rooftop sign facing west that read "Hollywood Theater".  Back in the day, that building had three Hollywood Theater signs and two that read either "Fort Worth Power & Light Co." or "Texas Electric Service Co."

 

The Bob R. Simpson Building/First National Bank had a rooftop sign for many years that read "First National Bank".  It was one-sided and faced south. 

 

One block away, Century Life had a four neon rooftop signs that faced all four directions and had their lighthouse logo perched on the corner of the roof at 8th and Houston.  Even thought the building was only 5 stories, the sign had good visibility from all directions.  When Fort Worth National Bank built their new building in 1952 (now the Oncor Building), the view from the north was blocked somewhat by the taller building.

 

Hunter Plaza once had two neon signs on top.  At first it was the "Fortune Arms Apts.", and later it was switched out to "Berkeley", named after the Berkeley Apartments.

 

Ellison's Furniture at 7th and Throckmorton had a rooftop sign that faced south.  The building was demolished in the 1970's and it was five stories. 

 

Stripling's Department Store had a sign on top of their 7 story building for a while at 1st and Houston.

 

The Westbrook Hotel at 4th and Main had a neon rooftop sign that ran along the cornice on the east side of the building.  The building and sign were demolished in 1978.

 

The one rooftop sign that is still in place is on the Lone Star Gas building.  That neon blue flame was put on top of the building shortly after it was expanded from four to seven stories.  The building is now a City of Fort Worth Historic and Cultural Landmark. 

 

Another rooftop neon sign that not only is still in place, but is still functioning is Williamson-Dickie located on top of their manufacturing building at Jennings and Vickery. 

 

The two wedding cake retail buildings located at Henderson & Pennsylvania and 3204 Camp Bowie once had neon rooftop signs on them.

 

Many of the old Buddie's store had neon rooftop signs.  They were scattered about the city.  Many are still standing, but they have been remodeled and it's hard to tell what they once were.

 

Those are some of the ones that I can remember.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:03 PM

I guess the lone survivor would be Montgomey (Wards) Plaza. I also recall one of the downtown signs gave the weather. And I do remember the "Blue Flame"  on top of the gas company. 

 

I wonder if the old Tandy Center building could be considered a sign ? Yes they had red candles during Christmas time. But they would sometime put United Way, Stock Show, so forth. I think most of the time it simply said "Tandy Center"  I may be wrong on that one? I guess our Tandy Center was our version of what the Omni in Dallas has now ?  

 

Well I been channel surfing of late. CNN and FOX  have been talking with people from Fort Worth. And I see the night skyline in the background. I do like the simple white lights with no signs. But I still would like for our taller buildings to have color changing lights for events and holidays. 



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:34 PM

That's a great list.  I don't recalling seeing photos of many of those.  Now I have an excuse to dive into the Jack White collection this week.

 

I always loved the Tandy Center lights and that and the buildings lined with white/yellow incandescent bulbs are how I remember downtown at night when I was growing up.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:47 PM

It might be better to look at all of UTA's historic photographs. Jack White's Collection is a good start, but there are many more downtown photographs in the other collections from UTA.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:54 AM

Don't forget Kincaid's....

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:03 PM

I did forget about Kincaid's.  I'm sure there are several smaller buildings with rooftop signs that I have not mentioned.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:09 PM

I believe the old Frank Kent Cadillac dealership had a rooftop sign too if my memory serves me correctly.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:47 PM

Yes, it did.  My memory is really getting bad. 



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Posted 19 June 2023 - 10:59 AM

I was met with a pleasant surprise on my walk downtown this morning.  There were two large trucks and a crane thing in the parking lot next to the Lone Star Gas Building on Monroe Street.  I asked one of the workers what was going on and she said they were re-installing the blue neon gas flame sign atop the Lone Star Gas building (now a city office annex).  She said it will be very bright.  According to John's notes in the architecture section, the sign was removed in 2018 to repair some damage.  I'll try to take some more pics once the sign is put in place and lit up.

 

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 11:04 AM

Ive been wondering about it for years! Excellent news and great capture.

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 11:57 AM

ramjet, love it!



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Posted 19 June 2023 - 12:26 PM

This is great news.  I didn't even think restoration work was being done on the sign.



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 05:34 PM

It's back!

 

It's also not the same sign as before, I don't think. The one up now looks to have more 3d effects and a lot of detail. I have not seen it at night. Curious how it looks. 

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Also, on the topic of this thread. I was driving today and noticed crews removing the Dickies signage from their building on Vickery. 



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 07:38 PM

Austin, I agree with you in that it might not be the same sign.  It's either a replica, or the frame is the same one, and all of the metal is new.  The lights are now completely enclosed by a housing with what appears to be a plastic lens on the front.  I'm also betting that the lighting system is LED instead of neon.  Enclosing the lights keeps the lamps protected from the elements.  You can see from the earlier photo that the neon had been broken by the hail.



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Posted 23 June 2023 - 09:04 PM

Look what I discovered tonight!

 

http://www.fortworth...edblueflame.MOV

 

Here's a still version:

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Here's an overall view of the building from the Current City Hall.

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Posted 23 June 2023 - 09:27 PM

I drove by last night hoping to see it lit up but alas it was not.  Glad to see that it is now illuminated.



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Posted 23 June 2023 - 09:35 PM

The way I figured out that it might be illuminated was by coming home for lunch and seeing the Fort Worth Tower Cam shot from the noon news on Fox 4.  I noticed on the shot that the sign was revolving, so I thought that if they had it revolving, it might by illuminated tonight.  I had to run an errand, near sunset, so I thought I would just drive by to see if it was on.  I was right and I ran into Brian Luenser with his drone shooting it.  We talked for a little bit.



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Posted 24 June 2023 - 11:36 PM

Nicely spotted, John! Im glad you ran into Brian. I saw he posted his photo on Facebook.

I stopped by the sign tonight. After nightfall, it is an extremely tricky subject to photograph. Because of the movement you cant use long exposures (well, if you want a crisp shot of it), and it is also so bright that you need a very fast shutter speed otherwise it is blown out. Having any sort of background requires a careful balancing act.

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Posted 25 June 2023 - 07:35 AM

I found your observations to be true when I moved around to take some creative photos of the sign.  They didn't turn out because it was too dark, so I shot some other subjects.  The rotation and the shutter speeds also showed up in the historic post cards of the city. If you look at the nighttime shots of the skyline, the old CNB sign was a blur.



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Posted 26 June 2023 - 01:52 PM

I can't share the post as it is in a private FB group but there was a post about the "Rocket" sign

 


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Posted 26 June 2023 - 10:44 PM

I grabbed a few shots tonight and was tinkering with the settings on my phone:

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Posted 26 June 2023 - 10:48 PM

I can't share the post as it is in a private FB group but there was a post about the "Rocket" sign

 


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I would love to own this sign being that I grew up near it and have driven past it at least a thousands times



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Posted 28 June 2023 - 12:37 PM

This has nothing to do with signs, but I couldn't help think of a the Lone Star Gas flame shape when this mechanical linkage simulation came up on a math site earlier today.  It is not exactly the same shape, but similar, and fun to watch:

 

https://keishiroueki...mechanisms/436/



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Posted 28 June 2023 - 02:30 PM

I remember being fascinated with the Taystee Bread sign with the falling slices of bread when I was a kid. Believe they were on Henderson, kind of caddy corner to the Jack in the Box north of Harris Hospital. I found a pic, but it was from after the sign was pretty run down. There use to be a "bread package" on the left side of the sign that these slices appeared to be falling out of. Scroll down to item 119.

 

http://tchj.com/2013...-photo-archive/



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Posted 28 June 2023 - 02:42 PM

The Taystee Bread Bakery sat at the southwest corner of W. Peter Smith and S. Henderson Streets.  Your location from the Jack in the Box was exact.



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Posted 28 June 2023 - 09:16 PM

I remember being fascinated with the Taystee Bread sign with the falling slices of bread when I was a kid. Believe they were on Henderson, kind of caddy corner to the Jack in the Box north of Harris Hospital. I found a pic, but it was from after the sign was pretty run down. There use to be a "bread package" on the left side of the sign that these slices appeared to be falling out of. Scroll down to item 119.
 
http://tchj.com/2013...-photo-archive/

Thats the first time I have set eyes on the Tarrant County Historical Journal. Thanks for sharing! Its like a cousin site to Fort Worth Architecture site. (I scrolled to the bottom to see if there was a page visit counter)

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Posted 29 June 2023 - 06:09 AM

 

I remember being fascinated with the Taystee Bread sign with the falling slices of bread when I was a kid. Believe they were on Henderson, kind of caddy corner to the Jack in the Box north of Harris Hospital. I found a pic, but it was from after the sign was pretty run down. There use to be a "bread package" on the left side of the sign that these slices appeared to be falling out of. Scroll down to item 119.
 
http://tchj.com/2013...-photo-archive/

Thats the first time I have set eyes on the Tarrant County Historical Journal. Thanks for sharing! Its like a cousin site to Fort Worth Architecture site. (I scrolled to the bottom to see if there was a page visit counter)

 

 

 

Good deal...I wondered if Mr Crocker was a member here, he has a lot of great old photos, many of which he himself took.



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Posted 10 July 2023 - 09:08 PM

Fwtx.com has an article on the restoration of the sign.

 

https://fwtx.com/new...ing-once-again/



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Posted 14 February 2024 - 12:25 PM

Here today, gone tomorrow. The blue flame on the Lone Star Gas building was removed this morning. I'm hoping it's just for repairs. The sign had quit spinning a few weeks ago.

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Posted 14 February 2024 - 01:09 PM

I'm pretty sure that it was just removed for repairs.



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Posted 14 February 2024 - 01:34 PM

Here today, gone tomorrow. The blue flame on the Lone Star Gas building was removed this morning. I'm hoping it's just for repairs. The sign had quit spinning a few weeks ago.

 

I noticed on the downtown walking tour that it was not spinning.  Was it supposed to spin during the day too or just at night?  Any continuously moving motor-operated components are going to run into problems at some point due to wear and tear you'd just hope to get a couple years out of it though otherwise I could see the rotating aspect going away if it needs attention this soon.  Cool idea though whoever committed to making that happen.



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Posted 14 February 2024 - 02:46 PM

It looked like it maybe had a lean to it. Wonder if any T&P or Omni residents have had eyes on it and noticed if a recent storm blew it around or something. 



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Posted 05 June 2024 - 11:04 AM

It's baaaack.... as of this morning.  And it is spinning again!

 

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Posted 05 June 2024 - 12:28 PM

Ramjet, that is great news!






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