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[Stadtplan]

Sorry if this was already posted.  I recall talking about the fire here but that's all I recall off the top of my head.  Please merge this into the proper thread if already covered.

 

Clifton Riverside Apartments

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2022009071

 

PROJECT

Project Name: Clifton Riverside Apartments

Project Number: TABS2022009071

Facility Name: Clifton Riverside

Location Address: TBD not assigned yet by City

Fort Worth, TX 76111

Location County: Tarrant

Start Date: 7/31/2022

Completion Date: 12/31/2023

Estimated Cost: $13,500,000

Type of Work: New Construction

Type of Funds: This project involves public funds, public land, or is a Federally funded roadway project.

Scope of Work: New construction, 94 Multi-Family units, common amenity areas, sidewalks, drives, and surface parking

Square Footage: 106,000 ft 2

Are the private funds provided by the tenant? No

Current Status: Project Registered

 

OWNER

Owner Name: OPG Clifton Riverside Partners, LLC

Owner Address: 254 N Santa Fe Ave, STE A

Salina, Kansas 67401

Owner Phone: (913) 396-6310

Contact Name: TENANT

Not Assigned

 

DESIGN FIRM

Design Firm Name:

Jones Gillam Renz

Design Firm Address:

730 N. Ninth

Salina, Kansas 67401

Design Firm Phone:

(785) 827-0386

 

As listed on Overland Property Group's website map:

https://www.overlandpg.com/portfolio

[Stadtplan]

OK, whoops...I just found the original thread.  John, can you work your magic merging these please sir?  I'm not sure I can undo what I just did but hey, we have a name for the project at least instead of our placeholder "Possible development between 121 and Belknap at the Trinity"

 

https://www.fortwort...?showtopic=7023

[John T Roberts]

Yes, I can merge them after work.

[Stadtplan]

Here's the drainage study.  So now we know why AndyN was teasing us but he must have been bound to secrecy on this one.

 

https://accela.fortw...ShowInspection=

 

Permit Address

2406 E BELKNAP ST

 

Record Details

Applicant: 

mma, inc.

519 E Border Street

Arlington, TX, 76010

---------@mmatexas.com

 

Licensed Professional: mma, inc.

Project Description: Clifton Riverside Multifamily

Mulifamily building with parking lot.

 

Owner:

Clifton Riverside, LLC

2406 E BELKNAP ST

FORT WORTH, TX 76111

------@jarchitects.com

 

DRAINAGE PROJECT INFO

Total Plat or Project Area (Acres): 2.94

Land Disturbance Area (Acres): 2.2

[AndyN]

I'd rather wait until I know the developer is ready to go public.

 

The surveyor is usually the first person in on a project, sometimes even when there is just a contract for sale. Not all of the projects that I have surveyed have gone through. Clifton Riverside was a start, stop and restart job. I think I have 5 or 6 similar multi-family projects in near southside and uptown that are going through the process right now that I don't feel comfortable releasing on a public website. But, if we were ever to have a forum lunch again...

[Stadtplan]

What is OPGs role?

[AndyN]

What is OPGs?

[Stadtplan]

https://www.overlandpg.com/portfolio

[AndyN]

I don't know. Seems these projects bring together different developers, investors, designers and property managers to get a project from start to operations. 

[Austin55]

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

[Jeriat]

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

That and the fact that it states "surface parking" tells me I'm gonna hate this...

[rriojas71]

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

Most likely it was due to rising construction material costs and shortages

[rriojas71]

 

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

That and the fact that it states "surface parking" tells me I'm gonna hate this...

 

In that little sliver of land I don't think that is as big of a deal if it was somewhere downtown or in West 7th or Near Southside.

[Jeriat]

 

 

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

That and the fact that it states "surface parking" tells me I'm gonna hate this...

 

In that little sliver of land I don't think that is as big of a deal if it was somewhere downtown or in West 7th or Near Southside.

 

If there's anything more than what is pictured here, I'm gonna hate it. 

[rriojas71]

 

 

 

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

That and the fact that it states "surface parking" tells me I'm gonna hate this...

 

In that little sliver of land I don't think that is as big of a deal if it was somewhere downtown or in West 7th or Near Southside.

 

If there's anything more than what is pictured here, I'm gonna hate it. 

 

I think it's probably safe to say that you are going to hate it since I think this was their best case scenario proposal

[JBB]

Just to be clear, we're talking about proactively hating a proposal that we haven't seen yet, right?  I know we have a tendency to be cynical and skeptical because of hyper awareness, but this is overachieving.  

[AndyN]

If you google the project name, you can find a preliminary set of architectural plans from December 2021. Looks like an architect out of Kansas/Missouri.

[Jeriat]

Just to be clear, we're talking about proactively hating a proposal that we haven't seen yet, right?  I know we have a tendency to be cynical and skeptical because of hyper awareness, but this is overachieving.  

It's more looking a their portfolio... 

 

If you google the project name, you can find a preliminary set of architectural plans from December 2021. Looks like an architect out of Kansas/Missouri.

I can't find it. Unless I'm just not looking in the right place?
 

[Austin55]

This?

https://www.jgrarchi...fton-riverside/

[Jeriat]

This?

https://www.jgrarchi...fton-riverside/

I see a few nice urban projects, but those all look repurposed. 

[WTXKid]

This is LIHTC housing, the only way theyre going to be able to afford a parking podium is if they receive gap financing from the city or 100% property tax abatement.

[Austin55]

Saving everyone a click. Here is the siteplan from the Architects website. The building is 4 floors. 

[Stadtplan]

Saving everyone a click. Here is the siteplan from the Architects website. The building is 4 floors. 

So basically a shorter and smaller footprint version of the Schaumburg example from Jeriats post above but with no pool and more surface parking?

[Stadtplan]

NEZ Application filed on Tuesday (no Accela link available yet) for:

2500 E. Belknap 76111

[Austin55]

Rendering on Overland's website showing a view from the top floor, which I believe will be a shared amenity space in the building. Looks like an incredible location!

[Stadtplan]

Here's a few more renderings.  You can see the reverse angle of the rendering that Austin55 posted which is the 4th floor Game Room with shaded sundeck.  The fitness center will also have a similar view of downtown.

 

 

 

 

 

[rriojas71]

just when I thought multi family design couldnt get any more bland than this rendering appears.

[WTXKid]

Its LIHTC. Youre restricted by the credit.

[Jeriat]

just when I thought multi family design couldnt get any more bland than this rendering appears.

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like a big shrinkage from the previous proposal.

That and the fact that it states "surface parking" tells me I'm gonna hate this...

 

In that little sliver of land I don't think that is as big of a deal if it was somewhere downtown or in West 7th or Near Southside.

 

If there's anything more than what is pictured here, I'm gonna hate it. 

 

 

 

 

[johnfwd]

How many variations in building design can you possibly create for a 4-floor apartment complex?  Most often I can't tell the difference between magnificence and mediocrity.  Can someone show me a magnificent looking apartment complex in Fort Worth, or anywhere else?

[Jeriat]

How many variations in building design can you possibly create for a 4-floor apartment complex?  Most often I can't tell the difference between magnificence and mediocrity.  Can someone show me a magnificent looking apartment complex in Fort Worth, or anywhere else?

 

It's 5 stories, but here's a different design in Baltimore:



And I don't know where this one is, but:



I get that there's only so much you variation out there for these kinds of apartments, but still... 

[rriojas71]

How many variations in building design can you possibly create for a 4-floor apartment complex?  Most often I can't tell the difference between magnificence and mediocrity.  Can someone show me a magnificent looking apartment complex in Fort Worth, or anywhere else?

I have seen several designs for 4-5 story buildings in other cities that are much more creative...   There are no balconies and it looks like an office/medical building.  They are using mixed materials to cover up the fact that it is a basic boring boxy design that is surrounded by surface parking.   I just don't want central FW flooded with uninspired buildings that are using cost cutting measures on designs that are not going to age well just to make money.  

 

The only thing positive about it is that it is taking over a location full of derelict buildings.

[Austin55]

This thread has a lot of similar conversation. 

[elpingüino]

And I don't know where this one is, but:


 

Washington, DC, and the design changed, https://dc.urbanturf...d_of_year/13026

[Stadtplan]

Grading Permit filed for Clifton Riverside:

 

Record CG22-00249: 

Commercial Grading Permit

Record Status: Plan Review

https://accela.fortw...ShowInspection=

 

Project Description:

Clifton Riverside Multifamily

Early Grading

 

Permit Address

2406 E BELKNAP ST

 

Disturbed Acres: 2.939

[Stadtplan]

Did this project ever go before the UDC?

 

Easement Encroachment for Clifton Riverside file mid-Jan 2023. 

https://accela.fortw...ShowInspection=

 

Project Description:

Clifton Riverside Multifamily

Utility and Sanitary Sewer Easement Encroachment

 

I thought this description on OPG's website was interesting:

 

Clifton Riverside is an exciting opportunity that will help address the overwhelming affordable housing demand in therapidly growing Scenic Bluff neighborhood of Fort Worth, more commonly referred to as River East. This multifamily development will be 94 new residential units that will include both affordable and market-rate apartments. Clifton Riverside will be built in the rapidly growing Scenic Bluffs neighborhood, with endless accommodations and amenities in close proximity. The Development has outstanding access to Riverside Park, the Trinity Trails path system, Greenway Park and Downtown Fort Worth.

[AndyN]

I certified an updated encroachment easement for this property a couple of weeks ago. I separated from the engineering company that was handling the civil work in mid-January so I have no additional information but it does seem to be moving forward (unlike several other developments that were paused or canceled on account of economic conditions).

[Stadtplan]

I certified an updated encroachment easement for this property a couple of weeks ago. I separated from the engineering company that was handling the civil work in mid-January so I have no additional information but it does seem to be moving forward (unlike several other developments that were paused or canceled on account of economic conditions).

 

 

Record PV23-00120: 

Commercial Razing Permit

Record Status: Pending

 

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Permit Address

2400, 2406, 2408, 2412  E BELKNAP ST

 

Owner:

Summit Land Development, LLC *

254 N Santa Fe Ave, STE A

Salina KS 67401

 

Project Description:

2408 E Belknap

Demolish and haul away noted building and foundation, noted canopies/structures associated with building to be demoed, demo paving leaving drive approaches. Demolish and haul away noted 55,000 SF of concrete paving down to base.

 

[Austin55]

[youngalum]

A picture of the worst designed interchanges in Fort Worth. 35, 121, toll way and 30

[AndyN]

The topping out ceremony for Clifton Riverside was held recently. The development includes 94 residential units in 4 stories including affordable and market rate units. Leasing is expected in Fall of 2024.