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[hannerhan]

Here is a report that CBS ran a couple of days ago about our very own Kenneth Copeland. Some nice aerial shots of his church on Eagle Mountain Lake, as well as the 18,000 sq foot house and several planes.
http://www.cbsnews.c...in3767305.shtml

[jefffwd]

Here is a report that CBS ran a couple of days ago about our very own Kenneth Copeland. Some nice aerial shots of his church on Eagle Mountain Lake, as well as the 18,000 sq foot house and several planes.
http://www.cbsnews.c...in3767305.shtml

wow.

[hannerhan]

I thought the interesting thing was the talk about church money going toward for-profit ventures. If that's the case, there could be legs to the story from a legal perspective.

As far as the house and the planes and all that, as far as I'm concerned the people giving to the church should know where their money is going. If they don't, then it's their problem for being ignorant. If they do and they truly feel that people like Copeland deserve $4 million houses tax-free, then more power to them. I think the latter is more the case to be honest...the members seem to like the fact that their leader has the fastest jet and the biggest house.

[M Andrade]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Why should we be interested in a preacher's wealth?
Please explain.

[hannerhan]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Why should we be interested in a preacher's wealth?
Please explain.

It's implied that someone is interested if CBS news is doing a report about it, right?

[bhudson]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Why should we be interested in a preacher's wealth?
Please explain.

If you see nothing wrong, would you be interested in donating to bhudson Ministries? I've got a Citation X payment coming due and the yard at my estate villa needs mowing. I'm a religious organization, so it works out good. I pay no taxes on offerings made under false pretenses, and you get to make a deduction. Oh, and the Lord'll love ya more! PM me.

I think it is not the simple matter of wealth which interests... it is much more the tax-cheat aspect that gives the story legs.

[M Andrade]

Where do this story's legs run to? In other words, What are the possible endgames that excite your interest?
Please respond. I am enjoying this.

[M Andrade]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Why should we be interested in a preacher's wealth?
Please explain.

It's implied that someone is interested if CBS news is doing a report about it, right?

Yes. it is implied. But thirsty is more accurate than interested, don't you agree?

[safly]

It is QUITE ridiculous to even fathom that his kind of "activity" is Christ like or LEGIT. From what workin people tell me, KC and his "posse" are a bunch of pain in the arses at the Worthington during COPELAND SAVINGS TIME every summer in DTFW. Not the nicest VIP guests in town and the WORST tippers for great service. Perhaps a thorn at someones side is much needed. Perhaps?

The people who SET these organizations up, funnel capital gains OOPS I mean support them with charitable donations and who use the tax code-loophole advantages are just lining up themselves for a big fall from grace. Somewhere and at sometime, this idea of ministry as a financial tax haven just got waay out of hand and really warped. Somebody helped make these loopholes stick during some legislative season, all under the national radar. Quite a shame when you see these people take full advantage of the process and the naiveness of the flock.

One does assume that his ministry has a few millionaires involved (like a club) in a certain level of it. And one can assume that all of those boats, cars, planes and LAND are acquired with the BEST interest of those very powerful few. The YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH GOD stance is getting a bit old and I'm sorry but if you really can talk to the lord on an everyday basis and the lord told you to diversify your wealth in an outrageous glut of expensive splendor, then you need to be smacked well into next week, Joan Collins style.

What happened to the humility of PAUL in ministry?

[M Andrade]

You seem kind of angry.

The way I see it, the worst case is that this person is a successful thief and liar.
Think about everything you have ever taken or lied about.
Aren't you just envious someone might be more clever than you and has something to show for thier lies and thievery?
I will admit to feeling that way sometimes.

[safly]

Well I'm actually quite happy Mr. Andrade. Happy that this "practice" is finally getting coverage by the BIG NEWS desk.

The subpoena is mightier than the sword. Grassley and his Senate commitee will get their time with Mr. C, and I can't wait to hear what follows.

[M Andrade]

So thirsty!

Hey, I can't make out your avatar. Who is that?

[M Andrade]

Dude,

It's all dirt. Paul knew that. Some people just like dirt more than others.

[hannerhan]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Why should we be interested in a preacher's wealth?
Please explain.

It's implied that someone is interested if CBS news is doing a report about it, right?

Yes. it is implied. But thirsty is more accurate than interested, don't you agree?

I don't agree. It's an interesting debate actually, and not one that just divides "believers" and "non-believers".

Most non-religious people will think it's all ridiculous of course. But I think the interesting thing is that people who would call themselves born-again Christians will be divided on whether they feel Copeland's (or any of these people who are being talked about) wealth and lifestyle are legitimate. Some people see them as CEO's of large corporations who deserve to be paid like CEO's. Others see them as men who are exploiting God's name for personal gain.

Yes I think there are some that are "thirsty" as you say, but I also think it's a genuinely interesting debate, the whole question of legitimacy, tax status, etc when it comes to these people and their organizations.

[Okie-JR]

Hey, I can't make out your avatar. Who is that?

The avatar is the movie poster from "Snatch."

[Papaw]

Seems like there have been several deaths linked to his property that were quickly hushed. One involved a female during a motorcycle drag race on the runway and another in a helicopter crash. I will have to do some more research.

A related link:
http://greatdivide.t...r-employee.html

[M Andrade]

Bravo, hannerhan! You've given a reasonable synopsis of the issue. "Some thirsty, some not".
The helicopter crash was a sherrif's deputy doing I don't know what at the landing strip, if I remember correctly.

[M Andrade]

When it comes to the Bible...

It's so poignant how we can each see the bible in a way that favors our own way of thinking.
And that we can surround ourselves with like-minded people and our own flavor of church, Etc.

I believe you are sincere, but even as believers, we disagree on maybe half of what you wrote.
I guess at the end of time God gets the last word and we get to say, "oh yeah.er..oops"

[Papaw]

Andrade, I think Ken is still looking for some extra "Jet support" if your feeling charitable.

http://www.elitecxteam.org/

[M Andrade]

If you want to know the honest truth, Papaw, I believe whether we trust a group of people or not just depends half on who your friends are, and half on what you believe.
Even being closer than you might think to this circle of people, I have to admit the link makes me go "d'oh!"
(homer Simpson). Sheerly because I know how most people percieve this.

[Papaw]

One more reply before this thread might possibly be closed due to dipping towards religious bashing - although I don't think it's there yet.
Evangelicals such as Kenneth Copeland and the like are specially gifted motivationalist that pyramid based companies and Amway and the likes pay megabucks to just to speak at their conventions in order to get into prospective victim's heads. The sad part is that the type people that are most likely to fall for this are the elderly, mentally challenged, uneducated, or very young, although any person can fall pray.
In the case of the companies, they pump them into believing they will become filthy rich by selling their product and recruiting others to work under them. In the case of the Evangelicals - and I am just talking about Kenneth Copeland types that think they are above being questioned about their finances and activities - they can easily talk people out of their hard earned money to support their selfish lifestyle.
I personally know of two families that found out their elderly parents were secretly sending in money to these ministries for years from savings the kids didn't know of and the kids were having to support the parents.
This isn't about religion, it's about fraud.

[safly]

HD EVANGELISM!


H- Friggin- D!???

Get a rope.

[M Andrade]

I think the thread is pretty safe here, Papaw. Nobody's foolish enough to defend KC on this forum.
They would be mocked to no end. This is a place where people are free to say whatever they want about
people we don't like. Stick around and you will learn what flavor we eat around here.

RIGHT, EVERYBODY?

[safly]

HALLELUJAH!!!

I was talkin wit JC earlier today, and I asked Jeebers for some direction on this KC ordeal, as it affects our entire community here in FW. I asked him that a sign should be given in revealing the truth(s) involving the KC funds and charters, and what exactly his particular ministry means to all of FW, and this sign shall come to me on a day that means so much to so many people here in America, but for other non-religious reasons.

I asked that if the NYGiants WIN the SBowl, then let that be a sign of KC being in the WRONG, and that his ministry's core truth shall be revealed to us once and for all in the light of the lord and our Congress. I asked that if the Dark Evil Empire known as the NE Patriots WIN the SBowl, then KC and his ministry will have been spared of the label of "false witness" and "FRAUD", and they shall teach their good word to all of humanity and keep accepting as much money as they can get their holy lil hands on.

Guess I was right all along!

GO GIANTS!

[M Andrade]

I've never been amused and frightened at the same time...thanks

[M Andrade]

Wait a minute!...............................................................Jeebers?.....JEEBERS, SIR?!

Until you see fit to give the etymology of this term, I have no other course than to give you a HARUMPH!

[Papaw]

You guys crack me up - after another bad day in the market I'm glad I stopped by for a quickie.

[safly]

When you're done with your smoke, pour me a Scotch and shut the door on the way out. (Rolling up my stockings, neon sign flickering in the background)

[renamerusk]

Even though its about Religion in general, placing this CNN Report here FYI.  Full disclosure, I am agnostic.

 

https://www.cnn.com/...trnd/index.html

[RD Milhollin]

Copeland is a crook, his god is money, and his followers are duped. Replace "Copeland" with the name of almost any other media evangelist and repeat. How he has gotten away with what he does, and for so long, should make society question the almost unfettered ability of shysters hiding behind the veneer of religion to fleece the naive and desperate, and all this income tax-free!

[renamerusk]

I don't know much of anything surrounding Kenneth Copeland so it is better for me to say nothing.

 

I thought the outcome found it the survey was "revelatory" as it indicated that the U.S. is trending towards Western Europe in the aspect of religion; and , that the nation is becoming less religious even though not the same extent for now. 

 

What I think resonates out of the survey published by CNN is that the nation is becoming increasingly liberal and leaning away from theocratic normalcy.  The findings suggest that the progressive steps towards addressing the environment, health care, concentration of wealth may be more attainable going forward.