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North Hi Mount Mixed Use Arlington Heights Camp Bowie Blvd. Gingerman

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#1 mmiller2002

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 11:50 PM

Has anyone heard of this?

 

http://nhmna.com/news.html

 

The North Hi Mount Neighborhood Assoc. is calling for a vote to "oppose/or not oppose."  Why should it be opposed?



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 07:55 AM

Has anyone heard of this?

 

http://nhmna.com/news.html

 

The North Hi Mount Neighborhood Assoc. is calling for a vote to "oppose/or not oppose."  Why should it be opposed?

 

Who's doing the development...did I miss that?

 

Obviously the ideal situation is structured parking behind the new buildings, so it seems like a waste that 2/3 of the property will be surface parking.  But the proposed setup clearly seems better than the current abandoned lots.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 09:04 AM

Obviously the ideal situation is structured parking behind the new buildings, so it seems like a waste that 2/3 of the property will be surface parking.  But the proposed setup clearly seems better than the current abandoned lots.

 

 

I don't think that everywhere has to have buildings right up to the sidewalks like a downtown.  Camp Bowie is a boulevard and a little space works for me instead of a crowded look and feel...



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 09:17 AM

 

Obviously the ideal situation is structured parking behind the new buildings, so it seems like a waste that 2/3 of the property will be surface parking.  But the proposed setup clearly seems better than the current abandoned lots.

 

 

I don't think that everywhere has to have buildings right up to the sidewalks like a downtown.  Camp Bowie is a boulevard and a little space works for me instead of a crowded look and feel...

 

 

I actually like the idea of pull-in parking on Camp Bowie (like they have in the Museum Place development).  But I'm not talking about that...I'm talking about the huge parking lot that makes up the Eastern portion of their rendering.  Structured parking for overflow (again, like Museum Place) is ideal.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

 

Obviously the ideal situation is structured parking behind the new buildings, so it seems like a waste that 2/3 of the property will be surface parking.  But the proposed setup clearly seems better than the current abandoned lots.

 

 

I don't think that everywhere has to have buildings right up to the sidewalks like a downtown.  Camp Bowie is a boulevard and a little space works for me instead of a crowded look and feel...

 

 

Thing is, buildings right up on the sidewalks is not "like a downtown," it's "like any sized retail area that wants to generate pedestrian traffic."  It's like any small neighborhood retail centers of the past that aren't designed for cars first.  As Camp Bowie goes into the future it's smart to readapt it to be accommodating of multiple kinds of traffic, not just cars.  Bringing the buildings up to the sidewalk to engage people on foot and not leave the streetscape an uninviting area of parking lots and traffic is part of that.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 02:27 PM

Thing is, buildings right up on the sidewalks is not "like a downtown," it's "like any sized retail area that wants to generate pedestrian traffic." ...

 

 

Totes. Regardless of your views on "new urbanism" and regardless of what worked in the past - moving your storefronts closer to the streets increases your visibility to people who are just walking, pedaling or driving by. The farther away you are from the traffic, the less opportunities for chance encounters that can lead to sales. Having your product visible from the sidewalk and street can be more effective than signage. Perhaps even more effective than hiring a teenager in a gorilla suit to dance around on the sidewalk trying to wave people into your vast parking lot.

 

 

And it seems likely having some density of that in one area would increase the level of engagement.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 09:57 PM

And the thing too is that Camp Bowie Boulevard has really three characteristics: a quiet, more peaceful section from University to the West Freeway; a more upscale section from the West Freeway to Alta Mere; and then a "wild west" section from Alta Mere to Jim Wright Freeway and beyond.

 

I feel and therefore agree with those who also feel development in the brick-layed section of Camp Bowie should have overflow parking"invisble" from the frontage which could developed into a "Rodeo Blvd (LA)" feel about it.

 

I think the developer and future developers may be squandering some retail opportunities by designatings so much land use to surface parking.

 

Fort Worth over everyone.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 04:51 PM

That would be a sad result for the Gingerman.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 04:54 PM

It looks like they are planning to add on to what's left of the old church building, so they are locked to that end of the property for building.  Probably no the budget to do any more...



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:33 PM

The North Hi Mount Neighborhood Association page that is linked stated that they planned to demolish what is left of the church and build a 4-5 story building in its place.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 03:26 PM

I would like to vehmently reiterate what 'Now in Denton' posted on 07 Dec 2013:

 

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 10:10 AM

Looks like it's now two story bank without drive thru. http://fortworthtexa...ket.pdf?rev=312

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 01:02 PM

I can't find the diagram anymore, but I seem to remember that an earlier design included taking over the gingerman lot too and putting gingerman in one of the new buildings.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 03:11 PM

Drove by this today.  That old church building has been completely demolished.  Flattened dirt in its place.



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Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:40 PM

I noticed a new sign out in front of this site as I drove by.  Looked like it had a rendering on it, but I didn't get a good look at it.



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Posted 19 February 2017 - 09:44 AM

Does it look like this by chance?

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:10 PM

Does it look like this by chance?

 

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Drove by again today, and slowed down to look.  The image on the sign on site looks like the building in the background of the image you posted, but without the one in the foreground.



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Posted 23 February 2017 - 04:12 PM

The building in the foreground is where Gingerman is now, so hopefully it will stay but the vacant land will be developed. 



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Posted 09 July 2019 - 02:37 PM

Demolition permits have been filed for the Gingerman



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Posted 09 July 2019 - 02:47 PM

Demolition permits have been filed for the Gingerman

Say it isn't so!  I remember taking my lady friend there years ago for beer and its famous trivia night.  But the new building design looks okay.



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Posted 09 July 2019 - 07:11 PM

The last time we tried going the parking lot was full so we just moved it along. What is going in its place?



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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:47 AM

A bank?



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Posted 10 July 2019 - 08:11 AM

Where is the nearest QT?



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Posted 31 July 2019 - 05:24 PM

this is probably over on the Residential board, but I'm pretty sure the announcement for this site was for town houses. 

Havent seen progress but they're likely going through the joyous gauntlet of city of Fort Worth permitting right now.  



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Posted 03 August 2019 - 09:50 AM

Townhomes were proposed for half the site. Also heard murmers that a small hotel might be in the works. 



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Posted 06 March 2020 - 06:06 PM

Understanding now is that a boutique hotel will occupy both the former gingerman building site and the empty grass lots. 



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Posted 07 March 2020 - 12:21 AM

Understanding now is that a boutique hotel will occupy both the former gingerman building site and the empty grass lots. 

 

Dallas-based real-estate developer Jackson-Shaw, where  [Ron]Welborn [Fort Worth Native] currently serves as the vice president was quoted in a Fort Worth Business Press 3/2/20 :

 

Welborn - "We, as a company, look at special pieces of property. This special property, this close to Sundance, was a 10,000 square-foot parking lot. When it was presented to us, we thought what's a better use for this property. A lot of people would say, “You're not going to fit 16-story, 252-room hotel on 10,000 square-feet.” We said, “We're up for the challenge.”......"We are also looking at other potential opportunities on the west side of Fort Worth for another hotel".

 

Maybe Jackson-Shaw and Merriman Anderson Architecture will each be opening a Fort Worth Office in the foreseeable future.



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 03:21 PM

The hotel devs are seeking a zoning change to allow the hotel. It would be 3 floors and 80 rooms.

 

 

The proposed site is located on Camp Bowie Boulevard, a Commercial Connector on the Master Thoroughfare Plan, between Dorothy Lane and Clarke Avenue, both residential streets. The applicant is proposing to change the zoning from “F” General Commercial for a three level boutique hotel. A hotel is allowed by right in the F district however the PD is required due to the proximity to the “A-5” One Family district to the north and west. The area is currently developed with single family homes and businesses, with a three story office building across Camp Bowie Boulevard. The proposed three stories could have a negative impact on the homes that are directly adjacent to the site. Normally supplemental setbacks are used to mitigate this negative impact, however, the applicant is requesting development standards that allow for a 15 foot setback where adjacent to the single family homes. A 35-foot setback is required by the zoning ordinance for “F” zoning when adjacent to “A-5” zoning

 

However, the project is recommended for denial by the Zoning staff.

 

 

2. Comprehensive Plan Consistency – Arlington Heights The 2020 Comprehensive Plan designates the subject property as Neighborhood Commercial. The proposed hotel does not meet the below policies within the following Comprehensive Plan: • Maintain the neighborhood commercial scale and character of the historic section of Camp Bowie Boulevard bounded by Montgomery Street and Interstate 30. Promote the preservation of historic buildings, head-in parking, storefronts, awnings, brick pavers, and compatible development between residential and commercial uses. Discourage mixed use zoning or higher density developments which may be out of scale for the historical development pattern. • Separate incompatible land uses with buffers or transitional uses. Some land uses have attributes such as height, proportion, scale, operational characteristics, traffic generated, or appearance that may not be compatible with the attributes of other uses. Based on conformance with the policies stated above, the proposed zoning is not consistent (Significant Deviation) with the Comprehensive Plan.



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 03:41 PM

This is why we can't have nice things.



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 04:00 PM

And this is why you should never consider placing a street car line in the Camp Bowie corridor.  A vocally active segment of AH seems less interested in accommodating  progress than it is in protecting housing values and character.  Remember, this segment was triggered by development along Montgomery Street associated with the new arena.



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 06:00 PM

They could buy Trinity Lutheran Church (next to Mcdonalds) and use that site for an even taller hotel.

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Posted 08 May 2020 - 10:11 PM

I think TLC could actually be repurposed as a small hotel itself.  To me, it needs an addition or two maybe: and you could have a hotel in a terrific location.



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Posted 11 May 2020 - 12:08 PM

 

The hotel devs are seeking a zoning change to allow the hotel. It would be 3 floors and 80 rooms.

 

 

The proposed site is located on Camp Bowie Boulevard, a Commercial Connector on the Master Thoroughfare Plan, between Dorothy Lane and Clarke Avenue, both residential streets. The applicant is proposing to change the zoning from “F” General Commercial for a three level boutique hotel. A hotel is allowed by right in the F district however the PD is required due to the proximity to the “A-5” One Family district to the north and west. The area is currently developed with single family homes and businesses, with a three story office building across Camp Bowie Boulevard. The proposed three stories could have a negative impact on the homes that are directly adjacent to the site. Normally supplemental setbacks are used to mitigate this negative impact, however, the applicant is requesting development standards that allow for a 15 foot setback where adjacent to the single family homes. A 35-foot setback is required by the zoning ordinance for “F” zoning when adjacent to “A-5” zoning

 

However, the project is recommended for denial by the Zoning staff.

 

 

2. Comprehensive Plan Consistency – Arlington Heights The 2020 Comprehensive Plan designates the subject property as Neighborhood Commercial. The proposed hotel does not meet the below policies within the following Comprehensive Plan: • Maintain the neighborhood commercial scale and character of the historic section of Camp Bowie Boulevard bounded by Montgomery Street and Interstate 30. Promote the preservation of historic buildings, head-in parking, storefronts, awnings, brick pavers, and compatible development between residential and commercial uses. Discourage mixed use zoning or higher density developments which may be out of scale for the historical development pattern. • Separate incompatible land uses with buffers or transitional uses. Some land uses have attributes such as height, proportion, scale, operational characteristics, traffic generated, or appearance that may not be compatible with the attributes of other uses. Based on conformance with the policies stated above, the proposed zoning is not consistent (Significant Deviation) with the Comprehensive Plan.

 

This language in the Comprehensive plan about Camp Bowie needs to be changed.  That is absurd.

The setbacks required between commercial and residential are also absurd. These appear designed to make it very difficult to build commercial uses anywhere near residential uses.  (so basically anywhere in older sections of Fort Worth). 



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Posted 13 May 2020 - 02:02 PM

Case was continued for 30 days for developer to meet with neighborhood more. 



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Posted 19 February 2021 - 11:46 AM

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2021009496

 

Start Date:
5/3/2021
Completion Date:
8/1/2022
Estimated Cost:
$40,000,000
Type of Work:
New Construction
Type of Funds:
This project is privately funded, on private land for private use.
Scope of Work:
120 Key Hotel with Restaurant, Bar, 181 Car Below Grade Parking Garage and Related Site Work
Square Footage:
200,000 ft 2


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Posted 19 February 2021 - 12:41 PM

 

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2021009496

 

Start Date:
5/3/2021
Completion Date:
8/1/2022
Estimated Cost:
$40,000,000
Type of Work:
New Construction
Type of Funds:
This project is privately funded, on private land for private use.
Scope of Work:
120 Key Hotel with Restaurant, Bar, 181 Car Below Grade Parking Garage and Related Site Work
Square Footage:
200,000 ft 2

 

 

Last week I drove by this lot and it looked like the building areas had been staked off. Seeing this makes sense.



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Posted 19 February 2021 - 03:38 PM

That's great to hear.  There are certain projects in this city that really excite me, especially when they get off the ground, and this in one of them; along with the Magnolia/Hemphill project.



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Posted 19 February 2021 - 05:48 PM

Was this the Bowie House Hotel thread? 
 
Here's the latest from 50% DD Set...
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Posted 19 February 2021 - 09:08 PM

Was this the Bowie House Hotel thread? 
 
Here's the latest from 50% DD Set...
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Woah. That image you posted is SO SO different from renderings I had previously seen released. 

 

https://www.star-tel...e245745460.html

https://www.papercit...istrict/#306310

 

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Posted 19 February 2021 - 09:19 PM

Its nice to see realistic renderings! Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 19 February 2021 - 10:47 PM

Here's the north perspective facing the pool / courtyard / town homes.  I like that shade structure protecting the balconies and sunbathers. 

 

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 10:00 PM

Updated siteplan from this week's upcoming UDC

 

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 04:20 PM

Nothing too pretty but some images from the latest UDC meeting.

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 05:18 PM

I think they should have supplied a better rendering.



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Posted 17 April 2021 - 07:03 PM

Here's some more detail on the project description....
 
PROJECT DESCRIPTION
4-story, 120-key boutique hotel with one level of below grade parking for 181 spaces. The accommodations include guestrooms on floors two through four, a 3-meal restaurant, private dining, lobby bar, library, and an event space.
 
BUILDING HEIGHT & STORIES: HOTEL : 4 STORIES + ROOF = 151'-0" -100' = 51'-0"
 

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 09:39 AM

I was kind of excited about this project but after seeing the latest renderings I have had a change of heart.  I think it looks a bit bland from the street view and the wood added at the last minute to the entry area looks odd and out of place.  Just my opinion.  I'm hoping that this is one of those cases where the final product is better than the rendering.



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Posted 23 April 2021 - 07:59 AM

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Posted 02 May 2021 - 02:41 PM

I was kind of excited about this project but after seeing the latest renderings I have had a change of heart.  I think it looks a bit bland from the street view and the wood added at the last minute to the entry area looks odd and out of place.  Just my opinion.  I'm hoping that this is one of those cases where the final product is better than the rendering.

I wonder if the wooden "arches" at the entry are a sort of homage to the Panther Island bridges?



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Posted 02 May 2021 - 06:08 PM

That may be overthinking it a bit. Arches are a pretty common architectural choice.





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