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#1 Nitixope

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Posted 11 March 2021 - 05:24 PM

Has anyone else noticed an increase in wildly loud exhaust on passenger vehicles?  What I've witnessed lately goes beyond your ordinary modified Mustang or Camaro sport-tuned exhaust into some complete other category that I can only describe as NASCAR-style or professional drag racing level of noise being produced.  I imagine it is the work of a small handful of car enthusiasts but I don't recall in my entire life hearing a car produce that type of sound outside of a race track.  I don't wish ill will on anyone (regardless of their lack of consideration for others) but if they happened to throw a rod or burn up their clutch, I can't say I wouldn't quietly celebrate. 

 

There was a phase several years ago with lots of "crotch rocket" (motorcycles) performing dangerous acts on the freeways.  I don't see it as often, but I think a lot of those riders either crashed and burned or their insurance was so high they couldn't keep up with it on top of just general stupidity.  Maybe the problem will eventually weed itself out without too many innocent bystanders being impacted.



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 08:19 AM

Has anyone else noticed an increase in wildly loud exhaust on passenger vehicles?  What I've witnessed lately goes beyond your ordinary modified Mustang or Camaro sport-tuned exhaust into some complete other category that I can only describe as NASCAR-style or professional drag racing level of noise being produced.  I imagine it is the work of a small handful of car enthusiasts but I don't recall in my entire life hearing a car produce that type of sound outside of a race track.  I don't wish ill will on anyone (regardless of their lack of consideration for others) but if they happened to throw a rod or burn up their clutch, I can't say I wouldn't quietly celebrate. 

 

There was a phase several years ago with lots of "crotch rocket" (motorcycles) performing dangerous acts on the freeways.  I don't see it as often, but I think a lot of those riders either crashed and burned or their insurance was so high they couldn't keep up with it on top of just general stupidity.  Maybe the problem will eventually weed itself out without too many innocent bystanders being impacted.

 

I'll absolutely attest this. 

 

Our home backs up to I-30 which unfortunately makes for a rather noisy backyard. It's not uncommon for ambient highway noise to bounce in the 50-60dB level, but a few times a day some @$$hole with their modified vehicle goes down the access road and my dB meter will spike to 90-95dB.

I've had the ability to work from home since summer 2019 so it's not just that I notice it more now. It used to happen maybe 2 or 3 times per week, but now it's almost guaranteed to happen once per day.



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 08:39 AM

 

Has anyone else noticed an increase in wildly loud exhaust on passenger vehicles?  What I've witnessed lately goes beyond your ordinary modified Mustang or Camaro sport-tuned exhaust into some complete other category that I can only describe as NASCAR-style or professional drag racing level of noise being produced.  I imagine it is the work of a small handful of car enthusiasts but I don't recall in my entire life hearing a car produce that type of sound outside of a race track.  I don't wish ill will on anyone (regardless of their lack of consideration for others) but if they happened to throw a rod or burn up their clutch, I can't say I wouldn't quietly celebrate. 

 

There was a phase several years ago with lots of "crotch rocket" (motorcycles) performing dangerous acts on the freeways.  I don't see it as often, but I think a lot of those riders either crashed and burned or their insurance was so high they couldn't keep up with it on top of just general stupidity.  Maybe the problem will eventually weed itself out without too many innocent bystanders being impacted.

 

I'll absolutely attest this. 

 

Our home backs up to I-30 which unfortunately makes for a rather noisy backyard. It's not uncommon for ambient highway noise to bounce in the 50-60dB level, but a few times a day some @$$hole with their modified vehicle goes down the access road and my dB meter will spike to 90-95dB.

I've had the ability to work from home since summer 2019 so it's not just that I notice it more now. It used to happen maybe 2 or 3 times per week, but now it's almost guaranteed to happen once per day.

 

 

I try not to get on these soapboxes but this is one that really strikes a nerve with me too.  It's not your typical Harley motorcycle, asian imports with sup'd up exhaust or pickup with glass pack mufflers.  Like you describe, this is some kind of insane supercharged engine meant for the racetrack but some group of car owners seems to have coughed up enough $$'s to own these type of vehicles.  The bigger question / concern to me is CofFW PD does absolutely nothing to enforce these laws not to mention the speeding I see on a constant basis.  I witness extremely dangerous driving almost on a daily basis now to the point where what I'm finding this is a habitual and flagrant disregard for public safety.  I would put it up there with DWI.  Vehicular homicide is not necessary just for the intoxicated.



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 10:57 AM

I live on a corner with Hulen, and I've put in a Hurculean effort at noise mitigation (I think I have written about that other places here on this forum), but I will agree that the vehicles are even louder these days.  Some of it a chalk up to lower pandemic traffic opening more opportunity to accelerate.

 

Back when I looked into such things, it seemed like generally all of the city noise codes had exceptions for vehicle noises.  So if is was a party that loud, you could do something, but a car or truck, not so much.

 

I'm sure at some level some other code section must come into play, if someone drove with open headers or something, but I think there is a near zero chance that police have the time or the equipment or the being in the right place at the right time to do anything about this.  I expect even if I set up a camera that recorded the dB level and a photo with a clear license plate number, they would not care (side note, there actually are array sensors that can overlay a dB level in a course grid over images -- pretty cool)

 

It seems to me that the best place to catch these would be at vehicle inspection time, but would mean different testing than they do, and also easy to switch things around after the inspection.



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 11:36 AM

I live up the Hill from Rockwood Golf Course and groups of people were gathering in the park to doughnuts in the parking lots near the softball fields.  They were also doing them in the grass next to the walking trail and completely destroyed it.  They are posting them on TikTok and it is a national trend.  It was so bad last summer that the cops had to break it up several times. 

 

They also race on Jacksboro Highway on the stretch between University/Northside and 18th St (golf course entrance) and have collided with the light poles near there several times and a few people have been killed there in accidents.  The city has removed the last 4 light poles there and does not intend on replacing them. 



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 01:38 PM

Back when I looked into such things, it seemed like generally all of the city noise codes had exceptions for vehicle noises.  

 

Generally speaking, I would think this falls under reckless driving, exhibition driving laws not to mention excessive speed.  What I'm hearing and seeing is beyond burnouts and doughnuts, this is someone taking a high performance machine (weapon) out on the open public roadway and accelerating at speeds in excess of 100mph in a residential areas marked as low as 35 mph.   

 

 

You can’t be arrested for “speeding,” but there are other offenses a driver could be charged with stemming from excessive speed. Speeding, itself, is one of three traffic offenses in Texas for which arrest in not permitted. Instead, officers make arrests for racing on a highway and reckless driving.

 

Many law enforcement agencies consider 20mph over the speed limit reckless driving if you follow the 85th percentile rule...

Racing on a highway replaces state “exhibition of acceleration” offenses although there may be city ordinances for exhibition of acceleration. The Transportation Code no longer makes it illegal to peel out of a parking lot or stopped position, unless it is done so during a drag race.
 
Racing on a Highway is generally a Class B misdemeanor as long as the person had not been convicted of racing on a highway recently and the offense did not result in serious bodily injury. Racing on a Highway that results in serious bodily injury or death is considered a second-degree felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison.


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Posted 13 March 2021 - 07:57 PM

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Posted 13 March 2021 - 08:10 PM

I saw the story when it aired on Channel 11.



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Posted 13 March 2021 - 08:55 PM

"High crime areas."

 

*shows intersection of Altamesa at McCart*

 

 

 

Mmm hmmm...


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Posted 19 March 2021 - 07:39 PM

Interesting article citing increase in traffic fatalities due to fewer cars on the roads during the pandemic:

 

https://www.star-tel...e249945714.html



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Posted 26 December 2021 - 11:40 PM

I wish the S-T would cover the topic more in-depth than just someone's letter to the editor.

 

FREEWAYS? MORE LIKE FREE-FOR-ALLS

https://www.star-tel...e256790002.html



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 10:51 AM

I wish the S-T would cover the topic more in-depth than just someone's letter to the editor.

 

FREEWAYS? MORE LIKE FREE-FOR-ALLS

https://www.star-tel...e256790002.html

No online subscription so couldn't read the article, but I agree that local freeways have a vehicle speeding problem.   I know I'm violating the speed limit (65) on I-820 by going 70, but I get passed by motorists going 75, 80, maybe even 85.   Stepped-up radar enforcement may catch some speeders, but I don't think that will solve the problem.



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 11:53 AM

 

I wish the S-T would cover the topic more in-depth than just someone's letter to the editor.

 

FREEWAYS? MORE LIKE FREE-FOR-ALLS

https://www.star-tel...e256790002.html

No online subscription so couldn't read the article, but I agree that local freeways have a vehicle speeding problem.   I know I'm violating the speed limit (65) on I-820 by going 70, but I get passed by motorists going 75, 80, maybe even 85.   Stepped-up radar enforcement may catch some speeders, but I don't think that will solve the problem.

 

Without quoting the very brief letter to the editor, that's essentially what was described.  It seems like the problem is rooted deeper in society than just some crazy teenagers acting stupid.  The best interpretation that I can come up with is at some point during the lockdowns when traffic was at its lowest levels, people generally started driving faster and faster and getting away with it...pushing the envelope.  Then traffic levels picked back up to 75-80% of normal levels, the people that figured out they could speed and get away with it, kept it up despite more cars on the road.  Basically, some people have completely lost their mind.



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 12:55 PM

I have coworker whose husband is a police officer and his department was told not to make traffic stops during the initial months of the COVID outbreak unless there was an imminent public safety.  I believe that was a fairly widespread policy and, when coupled with a huge reduction in traffic, people started speeding more often.  



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Posted 27 December 2021 - 02:52 PM

I have coworker whose husband is a police officer and his department was told not to make traffic stops during the initial months of the COVID outbreak unless there was an imminent public safety.  I believe that was a fairly widespread policy and, when coupled with a huge reduction in traffic, people started speeding more often.  

I think certain cars have packages that make them far noiser than they need to be.  I think at normal throttle settings they're not too bad but when you floor it on the freeway they get very loud (looking at you, Dodge Challenger).


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Posted 29 December 2021 - 08:56 AM

Yes, adding to the thread topic here, I am constantly annoyed by motorists whose cars have excessive noise.  But not so much for engine noise or lack of an effective muffler.  More and more motorists have high-volume music with blaringly loud base drum sounds.



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Posted 12 January 2022 - 09:26 PM

I happened to be in Arlington yesterday and saw the aftermath of this fatal street racing accident, but I would call it more of a crime scene. A debris field 50yds long and the innocent victims car was unrecognizable. The lady responsible was traveling 80 in a 45 mph zone and not to mention that she was 45 years old and driving a Porsche Cayenne. Unbelievable. Throw the book at her please.

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Posted 13 January 2022 - 07:36 AM

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 12:12 AM

My understanding of the topic is that vehicles are licensed, governed/regulated by the state, so regulating noise coming out of the vehicle must be initiated by the state, most easily by adding requirements to annual inspections.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 07:27 AM

Nope.  There is a local ordinance that prohibits excessive noise, including vehicle noise.


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Posted 19 January 2022 - 03:21 PM

so glad you guys/gals brought this up.  (focusing on vehicle noise part)

while not in the top 50-100 issues facing our nation/city at the moment, the noise is definitely an issue and generally infuriating. 

 

Seems we need a combination of 1) information & communication about what is allowed and not 2) enforcement of penalties.



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Posted 19 January 2022 - 08:39 PM

I live a block off of I-20.  Someone racing from Weatherford to Grand Prairie doesn't have a flip about "communication" from the city.  And for a lot of those guys trying to chase them down would make a dangerous situation even more dangerous.  I'd like for things to be quieter but I don't expect it, at least not until electric cars comprise the vast majority of cars on the road.


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Posted 25 January 2022 - 08:11 PM

Just because some people flagrantly violate the law does not mean its not a good idea or the duty of the government to make people aware of what the law is, especially if it is changing or newly enforced.  For example, if someone is buying a car/truck with a modified exhaust on it, and that buyer is aware that people are getting ticketed if their exhaust system is in violation, they'll want to get some verification that its legal/conforming before buying - incentivizing car dealers to only install conforming exhausts.  The enforcement happens and rules about what conforms/does not would have to be clear & objective and communicated to auto dealers/repair shops so cannot claim ignorance.  



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Posted 25 January 2022 - 09:49 PM

I saw another absurdity tonight: driving without headlights or taililights in full darkness. Is this a thing? I see it about 3 or 4 times per year.

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Posted 26 January 2022 - 09:19 AM

Whether it's vehicle noise or failed headlights, an ordinance banning such is only as good as law enforcement's capacity and willingness to enforce it.

 

Police can easily enforce vehicle mechanical failures like no taillights and bad mufflers that are noticeable.  A patrol car that is not busy may pull you over for a warning or ticket.  Police can and should enforce against a vehicle noise like loud music, but there are so many motorists that do that I doubt if police want to be bothered.

 

This is somewhat off topic, but I wish the city wouldn't pass such ordinances unless they can be feasibly enforced.  Like the ordinance banning unsponsored fireworks within city limits.  Enforcement of that ordinance is a joke!



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Posted 27 January 2022 - 01:18 PM

I saw another absurdity tonight: driving without headlights or taililights in full darkness. Is this a thing? I see it about 3 or 4 times per year.

What really grinds my gears is people who leave their high beams on all the time.  Buttheads.


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Posted 27 January 2022 - 03:59 PM

I saw another absurdity tonight: driving without headlights or taililights in full darkness. Is this a thing? I see it about 3 or 4 times per year.

I see it 3-4 times on 183, 3-4 times on 121 and 3-4 times on I30 every day on the way home. I even saw a 18 wheeler last week on eastbound 30 without lights on.

 

It truly amazes me that people can drive without headlights on when its dark, but like I said, I see it so many times daily. It is my pet peeve!!



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Posted 03 February 2022 - 08:59 AM

More people complaining about enforcement or lack of it.  She raises a concern about the impact on corporate relocations amidst lawlessness.  

 

Worried about speeding on Fort Worth highways? Traffic patrols are missing in action

https://www.star-tel...e257889778.html



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Posted 09 March 2022 - 10:34 AM

Knoxville to debut noise camera in downtown.

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Posted 10 March 2022 - 10:24 AM

Knoxville to debut noise camera in downtown.

https://www.wate.com...AsmpwEui5DXYHjA

Not a bad idea if it's workable.  But where to set up the camera is the issue.  Downtown may be a good site as a deterrence to noisy motorists who annoy businesses and residents downtown.  On an expressway, maybe, if it's in hearing proximity to business or residential along the highway.  Best site is a residential neighborhood.  But, just like any anti-annoyance ordinance, it's mainly a deterrence from future offenses since the damage is already done by the time law enforcers take action.



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Posted 17 April 2023 - 11:41 AM

A few weeks ago, I was trying to enjoy a quiet evening bike ride over by Panther Island Pavilion but there was what appears to be a designated lot used for doing burn outs.  You could hear this all the way downtown, so I don't know why the police didn't get involved or perhaps they sanctioned using this space over using active intersections?  I didn't realize Panther Island would be used as a drag strip.

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Posted 17 April 2023 - 12:48 PM

I often see that lot being used as what appears to be truck driving and parking training. I've always wondered if the property owners know (or care)

I also remember LaGrave Field's parking lot being used as an autocross track for a while.



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Posted 25 April 2023 - 11:21 AM

Seems that # decibels of car exhaust are inversely correlated with car owner's IQ and definitely sign of some egocentricism if not selfishness.  Right up there with idling diesel engines endlessly in parking lots. 



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Posted 26 April 2023 - 07:56 PM

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 09:58 AM

I’ve noticed excessively loud cars the few times I’ve taken out of town visitors to the Stockyards. At the risk of sounding like a pearl clutcher, I do enjoy seeing classic cars and low riders roll through. Even as my ears seem more sensitive with age. However, down crowded Exchange and Mule Alley after the cattle drive is a bit excessive. Many of the cars weren’t impressive anyways. All the more reason to close those streets to cars.

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Posted 27 April 2023 - 10:57 AM

I’ve noticed excessively loud cars the few times I’ve taken out of town visitors to the Stockyards. At the risk of sounding like a pearl clutcher, I do enjoy seeing classic cars and low riders roll through. Even as my ears seem more sensitive with age. However, down crowded Exchange and Mule Alley after the cattle drive is a bit excessive. Many of the cars weren’t impressive anyways. All the more reason to close those streets to cars.

 

I saw FWPD pull over a lowrider truck on Exchange for what appeared to be a minor infraction, maybe exhaust or radio.   It seems like they keep an eye on this stretch esp considering the amount of families, kids and animals present.


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Posted 01 May 2023 - 11:11 AM

One trend that really grinds my gears is the people who put external speakers on their vehicles, usually in the front grille, so they blast their music to the neighborhood (full spectrum, not just the base).  Ugh.


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