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#51 Doohickie

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Posted 08 November 2022 - 03:46 PM

 

 

 I'm sure somebody has a good rationale for why these crossings are being eliminated

Risk reduction.  Every at-grade crossing presents a risk to the city and to the railroad. 

 

When Jungus Jordan was councilman I asked him about the Gambrell street crossing just west of the seminary being eliminated (I used that as a bicycle crossing now and again) and he said the city is trying to get rid of as many at-grade crossings as possible to reduce the risk of people/cars getting hit by trains. 

 

That's also why Dutch Branch Road was never made to cross the tracks between Granbury and Oakmont Trail, according to Jungus.

 

What can be done about these railroad crossings?  It would seem like they could potentially be buried in some places, so the street grid could continue above but that is both very expensive and could see how the RR would object to having a RR line out of commission for 1-2 years as it gets buried.  Almost seems like would need to be replaced by another location instead of burying in same place.

They're not getting rid of all of them but they are trying to minimize the number of them.  Each one represents an increment of risk.  If you get rid of one it doesn't necessarily eliminate the risk but it perhaps reduces it by driving people to cross the tracks at bridges and/or at grade crossings that have enhanced features that make them supposedly safer (such as lights and gates instead of lights alone).


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Posted 09 November 2022 - 09:09 AM

Taking tracks below street level is not just expensive, it takes up more space and would be far more disruptive than most people might imagine.  Railroads have very tight grade tolerances.  The grade change would have to start miles away.  This came up previously in discussions about lowering the tracks around Tower 55.



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Posted 09 November 2022 - 10:06 AM

Also, you don't simply dig a hole.  There's usually utilities buried- gas lines, water lines, drain pipes, etc.


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Posted 10 November 2022 - 11:26 AM

 

 

 

 I'm sure somebody has a good rationale for why these crossings are being eliminated

Risk reduction.  Every at-grade crossing presents a risk to the city and to the railroad. 

 

When Jungus Jordan was councilman I asked him about the Gambrell street crossing just west of the seminary being eliminated (I used that as a bicycle crossing now and again) and he said the city is trying to get rid of as many at-grade crossings as possible to reduce the risk of people/cars getting hit by trains. 

 

That's also why Dutch Branch Road was never made to cross the tracks between Granbury and Oakmont Trail, according to Jungus.

 

What can be done about these railroad crossings?  It would seem like they could potentially be buried in some places, so the street grid could continue above but that is both very expensive and could see how the RR would object to having a RR line out of commission for 1-2 years as it gets buried.  Almost seems like would need to be replaced by another location instead of burying in same place.

They're not getting rid of all of them but they are trying to minimize the number of them.  Each one represents an increment of risk.  If you get rid of one it doesn't necessarily eliminate the risk but it perhaps reduces it by driving people to cross the tracks at bridges and/or at grade crossings that have enhanced features that make them supposedly safer (such as lights and gates instead of lights alone).

 

 

Thanks for this anecdote about your conversation with the councilman, that's helpful color on the city's position. So that my crossings topic doesn't derail ( :laugh: ) this thread further, I've made a dedicated thread over in the Transportation subforum. 



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Posted 11 November 2022 - 01:29 PM

Also, you don't simply dig a hole.  There's usually utilities buried- gas lines, water lines, drain pipes, etc.

Good points (utilities, RR's grade and clearance standards/requirements).  100% understand this A LOT easier said than done, but it appears to have happened in some places: (I *think* each of these was buried/ decked over): 

NYC (Hudson Yards)

Chicago (Millennium Park)

Nashville (runs along riverfront, under park)

 

The most feasible solution likely involves a realignment:  shifting existing troublesome tracks to another ROW that is less troublesome (i.e. possibly combining more into fewer locations).  Example is this one that severs the street grid between the core of Downtown and the eastern part of downtown (where Hillside apts and this planned Hampton apartments are going).  Replace it with a new line a few blocks to the east, next to other rail lines - might require acquiring a bit more right of way on the east side

I know some of these are owned by different companies, which would have to be worked out.



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Posted 14 November 2022 - 04:14 PM

 

Also, you don't simply dig a hole.  There's usually utilities buried- gas lines, water lines, drain pipes, etc.

Good points (utilities, RR's grade and clearance standards/requirements).  100% understand this A LOT easier said than done, but it appears to have happened in some places: (I *think* each of these was buried/ decked over): 

NYC (Hudson Yards)

Chicago (Millennium Park)

Nashville (runs along riverfront, under park)

 

The most feasible solution likely involves a realignment:  shifting existing troublesome tracks to another ROW that is less troublesome (i.e. possibly combining more into fewer locations).  Example is this one that severs the street grid between the core of Downtown and the eastern part of downtown (where Hillside apts and this planned Hampton apartments are going).  Replace it with a new line a few blocks to the east, next to other rail lines - might require acquiring a bit more right of way on the east side

I know some of these are owned by different companies, which would have to be worked out.

 

For some fun, check out http://11foot8.com/ It was recently raised the bridge 8" to 12'-4" but this bridge is still too low.  I remember reading somewhere on the site why they can't lower the road surface any further.


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Posted 07 March 2023 - 12:51 PM

Demo permit filed by developer of The Hampton project for this structure:

 

Permit Address
 
Record PV23-00061: 
Commercial Razing Permit
Record Status: Pending

 

Project Description:
Zephyr Warehouse
Demolish and remove building to slab level
 
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Posted 07 August 2023 - 07:46 PM

The Hampton has been added to Bennett Partner's portfolio: https://bennett.part...n-multi-family/

 

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Posted 08 August 2023 - 08:29 AM

The Hampton has been added to Bennett Partner's portfolio: https://bennett.part...n-multi-family/

 

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that's fairly handsome looking



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Posted 08 August 2023 - 10:09 AM

Looks great.   Still concerned about the location for something that looks that upscale but maybe they know something that we don't.

 

However like all the other announcements we had about new residential being built in the past 2 years....  this is going to take 2 years before they clear the site and then another 2 years to put up the erosion control fencing and then another 2 years before they decide the market isn't right and they abandon the site.

 

If it actually starts construction then I will take the proposal more seriously.  



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Posted 08 August 2023 - 10:29 AM

According to the landowner, this project fell through due to increase in borrowing rates.



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Posted 08 August 2023 - 11:44 AM

Oof.

What was the last major multifamily project to break ground? Lang Left Bank?

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Posted 08 August 2023 - 01:45 PM

Oof.

What was the last major multifamily project to break ground? Lang Left Bank?

For Downtown under construction:
- The Deco 969 - 969 Commerce - 302 units
- Trinity Highline - 1108 Gounah - 172 units

Downtown planned:
- Oncor Building, Oil & Gas/Star Telegram building (office to multifamily conversion) - 300 and 240 units respectively
- The Jones (Texas donut) - 100 Jones St. - 408 units
- 1000 Weatherford - 492 units

Others are in the pipeline as well, but these seem promising to a degree. 

My apologies if this is off-topic!



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Posted 08 August 2023 - 08:04 PM

According to the landowner, this project fell through due to increase in borrowing rates.

Huh... gotta admit, this is the first time in a while I've actually been disappointed by a cancelation on this forum.


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Posted 17 August 2023 - 11:54 PM

Land is now for sale: https://www.loopnet....tent=&utm_term=

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Posted 19 August 2023 - 08:47 AM

Did this project die? IT was the best looking thing I have seen in a while in way of an apartment building. 



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Posted 19 August 2023 - 12:14 PM

Did this project die? IT was the best looking thing I have seen in a while in way of an apartment building. 

Dead and buried it seems like. 







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