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#1 Austin55

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Posted 08 May 2020 - 03:15 PM

Interesting highly visible site that could have one of the coolest views for people facing downtown. Developers are seeking a zoning change for residential.

 

 

The proposed site is located between Belknap Street, a Neighborhood Connector on the Master Thoroughfare Plan and Highway 121, west of Rayner Street, with frontage along the Trinity River. The applicant is requesting a zoning change to “MU-2” High Intensity Mixed Use for a multifamily development. The property is located near the Six Points Urban Village which was created in order to encourage higher quality and higher density development. Much of the surrounding area to the north and south of the site has been rezoned to MU-1 and MU-2 to promote high density development

 

Owner/applicant is Ron Winsett & Cool Anchor Properties. 

 

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Posted 09 May 2020 - 04:31 PM

Whats the max height limit?

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Posted 09 May 2020 - 08:17 PM

I want to say it's 5 floors max if it's just residential, bumps to 6 if they use a garage (likely would) and caps at 10 (or maybe 12?) if they provide a certain amount of commercial uses, pocket parks, etc.



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Posted 10 May 2020 - 08:36 AM

Over on investor Facebook group it was posted with some renderings will try to upload them. 



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Posted 10 May 2020 - 10:27 AM

Interesting highly visible site that could have one of the coolest views for people facing the Top Golf fence. Developers are seeking a zoning change for residential.


Fixed it for you.


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Posted 10 May 2020 - 09:06 PM

Over on investor Facebook group it was posted with some renderings will try to upload them. 

 

Here are Thurmnan52's images,

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If you think it looks familiar, it might be because it looks just like another proposal that was about 2/3rds a mile south of here. Ken Schaumberg was the architect of that, and it sure looks like this is his work too. 



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Posted 11 May 2020 - 10:19 AM

I thought I heard that 121 and 35 interchange was in for a major upgrade that would make that location very tight with the new construction 



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Posted 11 May 2020 - 12:14 PM


.... Ken Schaumberg was the architect of that, and it sure looks like this is his work too...

I find his work to be lacking in imagination.  Interior courtyard without a view of Downtown or the river, instead car parking with views of the same.  Really IMO, reversing the courtyard and the parking would improve this design.



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Posted 11 May 2020 - 11:52 PM

With that suggestion, you'd have a bunch of interior units looking into a parking lot instead of a green courtyard.

 

In the current design, those with a west view can look at a parking lot, swimming pool, river, or skyline.

 

That said, it appears most parking will be underground... so maybe they could remove the surface parking entirely.


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 04:41 PM

Actually, a horseshoe or linear design would take better advantage of the site than the donut design.  I just find this a redux of the 1980's apartment complex.  A linear or horseshoe could easily top out at 15 stories giving most apartments with views to the west, north and south.  Sorry to say, this is a missed opportunity to take fully the views of the river front and skyline.



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Posted 12 May 2020 - 06:13 PM

Actually, a horseshoe or linear design would take better advantage of the site than the donut design.  I just find this a redux of the 1980's apartment complex.  A linear or horseshoe could easily top out at 15 stories giving most apartments with views to the west, north and south.  Sorry to say, this is a missed opportunity to take fully the views of the river front and skyline.

I'm not sure how a linear complex would take more advantage of the site and a horseshoe would take away a whole wall off potential rental income.  I think a donut shaped structure is the best feasible structure in a complex that is going to be sandwiched into such a small space.  I'm not crazy about the parking lot on the side right next to the bridge though.  On the bright side it shows that it is supposed to be 7 stories.



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Posted 12 May 2020 - 07:18 PM

 

Actually, a horseshoe or linear design would take better advantage of the site than the donut design.  I just find this a redux of the 1980's apartment complex.  A linear or horseshoe could easily top out at 15 stories giving most apartments with views to the west, north and south.  Sorry to say, this is a missed opportunity to take fully the views of the river front and skyline.

I'm not sure how a linear complex would take more advantage of the site and a horseshoe would take away a whole wall off potential rental income.  I think a donut shaped structure is the best feasible structure in a complex that is going to be sandwiched into such a small space.  I'm not crazy about the parking lot on the side right next to the bridge though.  On the bright side it shows that it is supposed to be 7 stories.

 

 

 Something like this, Alexan in Dallas

 

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Posted 12 May 2020 - 11:33 PM

Dang that's where the really cool Coors Sign used to be, the one with the flowing waterfall... Maybe a Baby Doe's Matchless Mine behind it... Don't tell me, that was 30 years ago right?



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Posted 13 May 2020 - 07:42 AM

We had our own Coors waterfall?? I was disappointed when I recently saw that the Dallas Coors waterfall had become a billboard for Fanta or something like that...

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Posted 13 May 2020 - 03:59 PM

Projects official name is "The Shanahan". 300 units.

Zoning change was a mess, initial motion was for denial over density and walkability concerns, but failed 3-4. Motion to approve did not reach 5 votes required for approval, so the project is moving to City Council with a an official reccomentation from the zoning commission to deny even though the majority of votes were in favor.

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Posted 13 May 2020 - 04:02 PM

We had our own Coors waterfall?? I was disappointed when I recently saw that the Dallas Coors waterfall had become a billboard for Fanta or something like that...

 

The Coors waterfall post was in reference to the one in Dallas where the Alexan was built.



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Posted 13 May 2020 - 04:32 PM

This had disaster written all over it.  I actually think the ideal use of the property is office.  See what a fantastic job the developer of Triune Centre is doing with in a similar wedge of property.

 

 

Proposed 30,000 sqft, 6 floor office building on a tiny plot a

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Posted 14 May 2020 - 08:57 AM

Was there any confirmation of a Schaumburg connection?  Because that name drips of a Schamburg project.

 

I can understand the walkability concern, but I'm really curious about density concerns.  Is the density of this project significantly more than the project across the street?



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Posted 14 May 2020 - 09:04 AM

Yes it's Schaumberg. 

 

That was pointed out. I think height was also a concern for whatever reason, 7 floors was seen as a lot when nothing in the Riverside area is over 4 really. It's also really only 6 due to elevation change. There was also concern that it's not pedestrian oriented. Developer said the math is harder to add up if it were shorter because it will take a lot of expensive backfilling to make the it floodproof and to cover the land costs. 



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Posted 14 May 2020 - 03:09 PM

Yes it's Schaumberg. 

 

That was pointed out. I think height was also a concern for whatever reason, 7 floors was seen as a lot when nothing in the Riverside area is over 4 really. It's also really only 6 due to elevation change. There was also concern that it's not pedestrian oriented. Developer said the math is harder to add up if it were shorter because it will take a lot of expensive backfilling to make the it floodproof and to cover the land costs. 

That objection (7 stories is too much, not currently walkable) is ridiculous.  In my opinion, the Zoning Commission had better provide better, logical reasoning than that.



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Posted 15 May 2020 - 06:27 PM

 

Yes it's Schaumberg. 

 

That was pointed out. I think height was also a concern for whatever reason, 7 floors was seen as a lot when nothing in the Riverside area is over 4 really. It's also really only 6 due to elevation change. There was also concern that it's not pedestrian oriented. Developer said the math is harder to add up if it were shorter because it will take a lot of expensive backfilling to make the it floodproof and to cover the land costs. 

That objection (7 stories is too much, not currently walkable) is ridiculous.  In my opinion, the Zoning Commission had better provide better, logical reasoning than that.

 

agreed.  With the building being at a lower elevation I don't think the height is that big of a deal... and btw what views would it be blocking? Makes me wonder if the owners of the newer apartments being constructed on the ridge were the ones who complained.



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Posted 26 May 2020 - 09:39 PM

Has this gone before the city council yet? If so, did it pass? If not, when does the city council decide on it?

 

This building may not have much pedestrian interaction with Belknap, but I imagine it would be much more pleasant to walk along this building than the existing ugly buildings & car dealership.

 

Height shouldn't be an issue, as it's not adjacent to any single family homes.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 10:08 PM

It has not gone before council yet.

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Posted 29 May 2020 - 10:55 PM

It will before Council next week.



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Posted 04 June 2020 - 03:43 PM

The case was continued to the August meeting. Councilmember said they had not heard from developer however and if she had not she would motion to go with the Zoning board any sent the change.

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 01:58 PM

I never did follow up but the Zoning Change ended up being approved unanimously by council back in August. 



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Posted 29 October 2020 - 08:42 PM

That's great to hear!


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 02:35 PM

I don't have anything I can release but I did hear of a potential new name for the project.


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Posted 14 January 2021 - 03:18 PM

I don't have anything I can release but I did hear of a potential new name for the project.

 

As long as it doesn't have "Park", "Meadow", "Hill", "Ridge", "Grove" or "Heights" in the name, I'm all for whatever it is.


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Posted 09 February 2021 - 06:24 PM

The building on the 121 side of this lot had a pretty heavily involved fire when I was driving home from work this afternoon.  The north wind was blowing the smoke directly onto 121.



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Posted 09 February 2021 - 09:41 PM

It smelled a little smoky when I drove by awhile ago but I just thought it was people using their fire places.

 

Also, I learned my info on the project was incorrect so I am glad I didn't say anything earlier.


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Posted 30 May 2023 - 06:53 PM

The site between Belknap and Airport Freeway on the east side of the river has been cleared for construction.



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Posted 31 May 2023 - 12:10 PM

Wait a minute... didn't this project get scaled down at some point? I remember this project getting scaled down and being disappointed and posting about it.

 

It seems like this thread is missing some posts. Or, maybe I'm just losing my mind.


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Posted 31 May 2023 - 12:31 PM

Turns out, the revised plan for this site was posted in a separate thread: https://www.fortwort...?showtopic=7302

 

And, I never posted about my disappointment like I thought.


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Posted 31 May 2023 - 01:09 PM

You get disappointed a lot.  I'm sure it's easy to mix them all up.



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Posted 31 May 2023 - 03:00 PM

For some reason I thought this project was done already.  I guess it's a really slow moving scheduling.



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Posted 31 May 2023 - 03:31 PM

Turns out, the revised plan for this site was posted in a separate thread: https://www.fortwort...?showtopic=7302

 

And, I never posted about my disappointment like I thought.

I had trouble finding the thread- I knew it had been discussed. This was the first I found so I posted the clearing info there.



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Posted 03 June 2023 - 12:38 PM

You get disappointed a lot.  I'm sure it's easy to mix them all up.


Yes, I do get disappointed a lot. It seems like every time something big & grand is proposed in Fort Worth, it gets scaled down before construction.

It's been this way for project after project after project for over a decade. At this point, I should know better than to trust grand proposals.

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 01:32 PM

 

You get disappointed a lot.  I'm sure it's easy to mix them all up.


Yes, I do get disappointed a lot. It seems like every time something big & grand is proposed in Fort Worth, it gets scaled down before construction.

It's been this way for project after project after project for over a decade. At this point, I should know better than to trust grand proposals.

 

I hear where you are coming from but it doesn't just happen here, remember there are several cities throughout the US who have had little to no change in their skylines for decade after decade...  when I lived in SF the residents of Oakland would voice the same opinion about projects in DT Oakland.  There are actually only a handful of cities in the US that are adding skyscrapers, towers and grand proposals even less for the ones that have a larger and more important city right next door.  Finally I wouldn't necessarily call the original renderings on this project a grand proposal.  Just my opinion.



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Posted 03 June 2023 - 08:55 PM

It happens everywhere all the time.  Fort Worth is not some unique island where projects get cancelled or scaled back at random.  Development, construction, design, finance, etc. are all complex.  Conditions change.  It's life.

 

And this was a Schaumberg project at one point right?  I'm not sure I feel a lot of empathy for anyone that is disappointed by something from Schaumberg.






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