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[CrimsonBuilders]

We have broken ground on a new 117 unit 3 story, stick framed project for Magnolia Property Company at the intersection of Stanley Ave and Lowden St, couple blocks from Paschal High School. 

 

Would upload a rendering if I knew how on here.

 

 

[John T Roberts]

The rendering has to be hosted at a website and you provide a link to the photograph by clicking on the picture Icon above.  This inserts the proper code ahead and behind the URL to the link.

[Doohickie]

Nice neighborhood. https://goo.gl/maps/2CpDD5fhg422 Is it west (where the port-a-potty is) or east (where the dumpster is) of Stanley?

 

EDIT:  I've ridden my bicycle through there hundreds of times.

[Austin55]

This is a part of a larger redevelopment being branded District 90. A lot of the warehouses and old industrial buildings are being converted to new uses. You can see a residential building top right which is the subject of this thread.

[txbornviking]

If TexRail ever gets its Phase 2 this area could be prime for some TOD

[John T Roberts]

You are right, txbornviking.  I have been looking forward to TexRail coming to the neighborhood ever since it was announced.  When that happens, I think the whole area will be prime for TOD.  The only thing that I would hate is to see some of the existing historic housing stock destroyed, or possibly parts of the neighborhood decimated. 

[Dylan]

It's unfortunate Trinity Metro split TEX Rail into two phases.

 

Originally, they were going to build everything at once. Now, who knows when they will build phase two.

 

This area is near perfect for a station. If only TCU were a little closer...

[Doohickie]

It's unfortunate Trinity Metro split TEX Rail into two phases.

 

Originally, they were going to build everything at once. Now, who knows when they will build phase two.

 

This area is near perfect for a station. If only TCU were a little closer...

 

Just run a constant shuttle from the station to the main campus.  It's only about a half mile I would guess.

[txbornviking]

 

It's unfortunate Trinity Metro split TEX Rail into two phases.

 

Originally, they were going to build everything at once. Now, who knows when they will build phase two.

 

This area is near perfect for a station. If only TCU were a little closer...

 

Just run a constant shuttle from the station to the main campus.  It's only about a half mile I would guess.

 

 

about 0.7mi from the proposed stop to the TCU bookstore.

 

another idea could be a B-share dock at the train station. Perhaps a partnership agreement would allow a TexRail ticket to also give you one 30min ride...

 

The TCU campus already has a couple B-share stations around/on it.

[John T Roberts]

I actually don't consider .7 mile that far to walk. 

[txbornviking]

I actually don't consider .7 mile that far to walk. 

 

Nor do I. But sadly many do... 

[Austin55]

TCU has an on campus shuttle service already.

[Doohickie]

about 0.7mi from the proposed stop to the TCU bookstore.
 
another idea could be a B-share dock at the train station. Perhaps a partnership agreement would allow a TexRail ticket to also give you one 30min ride...
 
The TCU campus already has a couple B-share stations around/on it.

I actually don't consider .7 mile that far to walk.

No I don't either, but...

 

It's a hilly trek, and if you're talking about visitors from out of the area, the heat can be extreme, especially when said visitors may be wearing professional clothing.  I think a shuttle link (either TCU or Trinity Metro) is probably a good idea.  I'm sure it will be labeled as the TCU stop, you might as well take care of the Last Mile.

[Doohickie]

Even without a rail stop there, that's a pretty prime residential location.  Close to TCU, a shortish drive to the Southside, Downtown and even the Cultural District.  And there's a city bike route a block to the north on Cantey.

[Doohickie]

TCU has an on campus shuttle service already.

 

Yes.  Just saying that you'd want a loop that would connect to the train station.

[rriojas71]

I actually don't consider .7 mile that far to walk.

 
Nor do I. But sadly many do...

Yes, many do think that here but in reality it’s a piece of cake and also a good stroll especially on a nice day... however it’s much more difficult and uncomfortable for most when it’s 100 degrees outside.

[John T Roberts]

I think that the shuttle would be a good solution. 

 

I would still walk if it was 100 degrees.  However, the weather conditions that would preclude me from walking would be cold weather, a strong cold wind, and any kind of precipitation.  I don't like the cold or getting wet.

[Doohickie]

The best solution is obviously a streetcar along Berry.

[JBB]

And pollute the landscape with those awful cables in the air?  Are you mad?

[Doohickie]

What cables?  This will be a coal-driven streetcar.

[txbornviking]

not mule driven?

[Doohickie]

not mule driven?

 

Come on, be realistic.  The Street Sweepers Union would never agree to it.

[renamerusk]

 

about 0.7mi from the proposed stop to the TCU bookstore.
 
another idea could be a B-share dock at the train station. Perhaps a partnership agreement would allow a TexRail ticket to also give you one 30min ride...
 
The TCU campus already has a couple B-share stations around/on it.

I actually don't consider .7 mile that far to walk.

No I don't either, but...

 

It's a hilly trek, and if you're talking about visitors from out of the area, the heat can be extreme, especially when said visitors may be wearing professional clothing.  I think a shuttle link (either TCU or Trinity Metro) is probably a good idea.  I'm sure it will be labeled as the TCU stop, you might as well take care of the Last Mile.

 

 

I will take the bet on TCU, that by growth and expansion,  getting to this development before TexRail; thus making the need for a shuttle to TCU irrelevant.

[John T Roberts]

This gets back to the "agreement" made by TCU with the neighborhoods and the preservationists. They were not going to "invade" the areas south of Berry and east of McCart.

[Doohickie]

An expansion out to the the future rail station would not reach Berry or McCart/W Cleburne.

[renamerusk]

The only thing standing in TCU's path to Stanley is Paschal.  If FWISD can get a new campus for Paschal that can also be incorporated into the TCU plan, then the TCU/TexRail Station would then be a "fait accompli" .

[Doohickie]

On the one hand, Paschal is a historic building.  On the other, you'd never know it from looking at it, with the ugly outer facade.  So I don't know what FWISD would think about moving it.

 

Looking at the boundaries for Paschal, it's hard to imagine finding a site big enough to build a new Paschal on.  https://texas.hometo...b,i,1109010.cfm

[John T Roberts]

Right now, the campus is close to the geographic center of its attendance zone.  The only place that appears to have a large enough piece of land to build a new campus would be on the Edwards Ranch House tract of land off of Hulen Street.  Building a new high school there would force many students or their parents to drive a long way.  This would also place the campus quite some distance away from being considered a neighborhood school.

 

The original building was designed by Wiley G. Clarkson in 1936.  However, since the original building is almost completely consumed by additions, it would never be designated as a City of Fort Worth Historic & Cultural Landmark.  The school was built as a Junior High School and was converted into a high school in 1955.  That is when the first round of additions along the front took place.  One might argue that the additions were historic and therefore would now qualify as a historic collection of buildings.  That wont' work either because the original additions are now covered up, except for the Auditorium. 

[Dylan]

The bookstore is 0.7 miles from the station, but the heart of campus is more than a full mile away.

 

One mile is fine for a leisurely stroll, but it's probably unpleasant if you're trying to get to class on time with a heavy backpack.

 

At least CB's "Magnolia on Stanley" building isn't too far away from the future station.

[Urbndwlr]

A couple of questions and things to note here about that neighborhood/location:

 

1) That is actually a pretty good location for apartments.  Think about it - close to TCU, right across 8th Ave from Ryan Place/Near Southside (where its super expensive/hard to buy land to build new apartments), has a grocery within walking distance, will apparently have a new commercial redevelopment project also within walking distance,.... Good idea Magnolia Property Company. 

 

2) With the new housing overlay, doesn't that limit the # of unrelated residents on a residential lot?  If so that means any growth in off campus houses leased by students will have to happen in more typical single family homes, right?   Result would be pushing the off campus student population farther out (to the east and southeast). 

3) If we're talking about students (who can dress casually), they can easily ride bikes from that new Magnolia on Stanley location to campus... assuming the building is even targeting students. 

4) There has been some recent renewal (or gentrification, depending on your perspective) happening in that immediate neighborhood.  Not just student-targeted townhomes but new houses being built by Village Homes and I think a few others.  Guessing this is because Berkeley, Mistletoe Heights, and Ryan Place have all really climbed in value (or are realistically impossible to do tear downs and build new in protected districts) - so we're seeing new homes getting built in the last remaining more blue-collar residential pockets north of Berry.  They aren't super high end - appear on Village Homes web site homesofcharacter.com

to be in the $400,000-$500,000 range which in today's world is reasonably affordable, especially for people relocating from more expensive cities who want to be in a close-in, nicer part of Fort Worth.  

5) Even if the rail station isn't built for 10 years, having the additional residential density within walking distance of it will be a great thing. 

[CrimsonBuilders]

A couple of questions and things to note here about that neighborhood/location:

 

1) That is actually a pretty good location for apartments.  Think about it - close to TCU, right across 8th Ave from Ryan Place/Near Southside (where its super expensive/hard to buy land to build new apartments), has a grocery within walking distance, will apparently have a new commercial redevelopment project also within walking distance,.... Good idea Magnolia Property Company. 

 

2) With the new housing overlay, doesn't that limit the # of unrelated residents on a residential lot?  If so that means any growth in off campus houses leased by students will have to happen in more typical single family homes, right?   Result would be pushing the off campus student population farther out (to the east and southeast). 

3) If we're talking about students (who can dress casually), they can easily ride bikes from that new Magnolia on Stanley location to campus... assuming the building is even targeting students. 

4) There has been some recent renewal (or gentrification, depending on your perspective) happening in that immediate neighborhood.  Not just student-targeted townhomes but new houses being built by Village Homes and I think a few others.  Guessing this is because Berkeley, Mistletoe Heights, and Ryan Place have all really climbed in value (or are realistically impossible to do tear downs and build new in protected districts) - so we're seeing new homes getting built in the last remaining more blue-collar residential pockets north of Berry.  They aren't super high end - appear on Village Homes web site homesofcharacter.com

to be in the $400,000-$500,000 range which in today's world is reasonably affordable, especially for people relocating from more expensive cities who want to be in a close-in, nicer part of Fort Worth.  

5) Even if the rail station isn't built for 10 years, having the additional residential density within walking distance of it will be a great thing. 

I think Stanley is being marketed as an off campus student apartment option for TCU students. I don't believe there's any formal or informal agreement with TCU, but that's outside of my area.

[Presidio Interests]

This is a part of a larger redevelopment being branded District 90. A lot of the warehouses and old industrial buildings are being converted to new uses. You can see a residential building top right which is the subject of this thread.

 

Austin, I want to clarify something:  

 

The D90 project only contains commercial uses.  Magnolia's apartments, and Village Homes' town house project next door to it, are actually not part of the District 90 Project.  These three developments (redevelopment in the case of District 90) do have a shared history.  They are all taking place on what used to be one property (single owner that is). 

 

We (Presidio Interests and Hatfield Advisors) felt all along that the property currently under development by Village Homes and Magnolia Property Co was best suited for medium density residential both because it seemed like a nice way to "complete" the eastern edge of the neighborhood, and it would introduce a little more residential density and vitality into this part of the neighborhood. 

[John T Roberts]

Thank you for clarifying.  I live just a short distance away, and I was a little confused.