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#51 Crestline

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Posted 10 February 2022 - 02:26 PM

Serious question: For those of you who own a car and have a license, would you be willing to sell your car in order to move to this development?

 

I doubt any of you can honestly say you would do so.

 

I have moved between California and Texas a few times, most recently in 2020 when I moved back here with a license and without a car (I had been car-free in California for four years). One of the first things I did was buy a car, because 1) I was practically constrained to move to an address with poor transit options and 2) I have friends and family around DFW with zero transit options. But for these two reasons, it would have been very easy for me to live downtown and car-free within walking distance of the intermodal transit center. I am certain that there is a market of people who would be happy to do the same at this address, even if they don't post on this forum and thus can't respond to this question.



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Posted 12 February 2022 - 07:22 PM

Problem #2 would exist for many people who move to this location. Just because this location has decent transit doesn't necessarily mean everyone's friends and family can be reached via transit.

 

Perhaps some people would be willing to live at this location without a car. But, if you don't build a garage, you greatly limit the number of people willing to live here.

 

That's why this developer proposed a garage in their other development, and will almost certainly propose a garage in this development.

 

 

 

 

EDIT to add: Just because someone owns a car doesn't necessarily mean they won't ever take transit. It's possible to own a car and still take transit.


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Posted 13 February 2022 - 10:26 AM

It would be interesting to learn if the developer at least planned to reduce the garage parking spots per apartment, bedroom, or tenant ratio for this development. For example, maybe the developer will build over at Belknap & Lexington with 1.5 spots per apartment, but will build here with only 0.75 spots per apartment. I'm making these numbers up, but it seems to me some kind of spots ratio reduction could be justified here given the proximity to transit.



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Posted 22 February 2022 - 02:14 PM

Drainage Study Filed 2/21/22:

 

Record DS-22-0050: Drainage Study
Record Status: In Review
 
Permit Address
1000 JONES ST
 
Record Details
 
Licensed Professional:
Jared Earney
Kimley-Horn
 
Project Description:
AHS-Calhoun
Proposed MF Development
 
Owner:
AHS-Residential
PO BOX 460329
HOUSTON, TX 77056
 
DRAINAGE PROJECT INFO
Total Plat or Project Area (Acres):1.7
Land Disturbance Area (Acres):1.7
Concept Plan:No
DS - Grading Permit:Yes
DS - Infrastructure Plan Review (IPRC):Yes
Final Plat:YesPreliminary Plat:No
Drainage Study for Zone A Floodplain:No
The project utilizes Low Impact Design:No
The project does not drain through any downstream City Infrastructure:No
 


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Posted 22 February 2022 - 02:23 PM

I'm assuming this is essentially a copy-paste of the Belknap/Lexington, but I'm curious if they'll be able to get 3 towers here or if it will be prenty different. I also hope they can do a nice job activating the streetscape, especially along 9th. 
 



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Posted 22 February 2022 - 11:18 PM

Did the design go to development review committee? Just curious as to why we didnt see it.

I'm assuming this is essentially a copy-paste of the Belknap/Lexington, but I'm curious if they'll be able to get 3 towers here or if it will be prenty different. I also hope they can do a nice job activating the streetscape, especially along 9th. 
 



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Posted 23 February 2022 - 01:18 PM

No. The developer has only presented the project at Belknap/Lexington thus far.


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Posted 01 April 2022 - 03:39 PM

No. The developer has only presented the project at Belknap/Lexington thus far.

 

 

Did the design go to development review committee? Just curious as to why we didnt see it.
 

I'm assuming this is essentially a copy-paste of the Belknap/Lexington, but I'm curious if they'll be able to get 3 towers here or if it will be prenty different. I also hope they can do a nice job activating the streetscape, especially along 9th. 
 

 

 

The project is on the April DDRB agenda
 

 

DG22 – 008 1000 Jones Street Owner/ Applicant: Central Calhoun, LLC - Mariana Mesquita Paes Requests approval of conceptual approval (footprint and massing) of a 12-story residential building and a waiver from the skybridge and parking garage standards. 



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Posted 01 April 2022 - 04:11 PM

I'm all for mf development in downtown, but I hope this one goes back to the drawing board. Would really like to see 20+ stories here. 



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Posted 01 April 2022 - 06:54 PM

Would really like to see 20+ stories here. 

 

I do as well, but given that this is across the street from Central Station, I can kinda understand the shortened height. 


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Posted 01 April 2022 - 09:01 PM

I'm all for mf development in downtown, but I hope this one goes back to the drawing board. Would really like to see 20+ stories here. 

Don't get your hopes up.



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Posted 06 April 2022 - 01:16 PM

Renderings and plans via DDRB agenda.

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Posted 06 April 2022 - 06:42 PM

It's great to see a large number of multifamily units being added downtown next to our main transit center.

 

I know people are going to criticize me for adding a criticism, but I'm going to do so anyway... I wish there were ground floor retail or some sort of street interaction.

 

This building will be the gateway for people walking from Central Station into downtown. It looks like pedestrians will be walking past windows and private balconies.

 

It might be better than Hampton Inn's street interaction. It will be significantly better than the surface parking lot that currently exists.

 

Still, for such a prime location, I'd like to see better pedestrian integration.


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Posted 06 April 2022 - 07:00 PM

I like this one a little more than the one on weatherford. It's washed out in the rendering but it looks like it has (faux) white brick siding which I think will look better than some kind of panel. The city really needs stuff like this though, and I like the overall shape of these buildings even if they aren't super attractive on their own, if that makes sense. Like how Japanese cities are made of up buildings that are individually sort of ugly but collectively have a cool aesthetic. The balconies also give it character.

 

With this plus the TAMU law school that side of downtown is probably going to be a lot more lively.



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Posted 06 April 2022 - 07:22 PM

Dylan, you raise a good point and it seems like a bit of a missed opportunity. Sylvan Thirty in Dallas cones to mind as an apartment building with ground level retail. Lets see if DDRB says anything about the streets scape or just waves it through.

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Posted 06 April 2022 - 07:34 PM

Dylan, right here with you. This thing needs some kind of street interaction. Especially if the developer is going to get away with the 10+ story garage.

It's great to see a large number of multifamily units being added downtown next to our main transit center.

 

I know people are going to criticize me for adding a criticism, but I'm going to do so anyway... I wish there were ground floor retail or some sort of street interaction.

 

This building will be the gateway for people walking from Central Station into downtown. It looks like pedestrians will be walking past windows and private balconies.

 

It might be better than Hampton Inn's street interaction. It will be significantly better than the surface parking lot that currently exists.

 

Still, for such a prime location, I'd like to see better pedestrian integration.



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Posted 06 April 2022 - 07:37 PM

How much more expensive would it be to build the garage as a podium? It would be at least 15 stories, which is more appropriate for the area. 



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Posted 06 April 2022 - 07:38 PM

Am I wrong in thinking there's some design standards downtown that require ground floor retail?  Other than that and the standalone garage, I like this.



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Posted 06 April 2022 - 08:02 PM

Am I wrong in thinking there's some design standards downtown that require ground floor retail?  Other than that and the standalone garage, I like this.

My phone is still loading, but check here:

https://www.dfwi.org...dards-10-27.pdf

Theres a whole section on Streetscape.

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Posted 06 April 2022 - 08:13 PM

...yeah, now that it's been brought up, there should be SOME retail space here. At least facing 9th or Central Station.


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Posted 08 April 2022 - 02:36 PM

Think ground floor could be better - somehow addressing sidewalk.

Want to be careful abotu requiring GFL retail though - bad track record among cities imposing that and result is dead storefronts.



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Posted 08 April 2022 - 03:44 PM

With this plus the TAMU law school that side of downtown is probably going to be a lot more lively.


Give that AHS has stated they are not pursuing a luxury product and aiming for lower rents at the similar Weatherford project I almost think of this as a student housing project.

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Posted 08 April 2022 - 10:56 PM

Think ground floor could be better - somehow addressing sidewalk.

Want to be careful abotu requiring GFL retail though - bad track record among cities imposing that and result is dead storefronts.

That's my opinion too.

 

I think there's more than enough empty storefronts downtown, lets not water down demand. It would be nice if that activity was concentrated enough in a few areas to really come alive.



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Posted 09 April 2022 - 06:58 AM

Is there going to be ground floor retail facing 9th Street, across Calhoun at the new Deco 969? If so, then that plus the existing ground floor retail (currently Subway, I think) in the transit center is probably adequate for the corridor between the transit center and Main Street. At least until the parking lot between 9th and 8th Street gets a 40 story residential tower.  :swg:



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Posted 19 April 2022 - 07:51 AM

Here's the full presentation to DDRB adding to what Austin55 already posted, including a few more streetscape renderings. 

 

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Posted 19 April 2022 - 09:02 AM

I would have rather seen apartments above a parking garage, but I can't come up with a lot of complaints about this one.  Getting those blocks developed is a huge win.



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Posted 19 April 2022 - 11:00 AM

The one thing I am concerned with this design at this location is for the security of the ground floor units.  There are a lot of homeless and transient people in this area and I would be concerned about living on the ground floor with an outside patio.   That is why I think retail works better for the ground floor.



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Posted 19 April 2022 - 11:36 AM

The one thing I am concerned with this design at this location is for the security of the ground floor units.  There are a lot of homeless and transient people in this area and I would be concerned about living on the ground floor with an outside patio.   That is why I think retail works better for the ground floor.

 

I agree with you, rriojas71.  This rendering from Weatherford thread sums up those concerns, meanwhile county jail is just blocks away.  A guy I know had someone try and jump in the back of his pick-up a few years ago while waiting at the stoplight at Henderson, ended up having to stick a gun in the guy's face to make him back off.  Said he came out of nowhere, threw his bag in the back and started climbing in and insisted on catching a ride somewhere...and this guy is short-tempered to begin with, so they picked the wrong truck to ask for a ride I guess.  Not sure what I would have done in that situation, probably taken off before they could get that close to do anything....jump the curb, run the light, do a u-turn.... at that point I welcome getting pulled over.  

 

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Posted 19 April 2022 - 12:27 PM

I would have similar concerns for the ground floor of the Burnett Lofts, especially on the Cherry Street side (I drive home that way nearly every day, so I've had time to ruminate on it).  The canyon-like sidewalk between the garage and the descending Cherry Street off-ramp looks pretty welcoming for homeless encampments. 



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Posted 23 April 2022 - 06:48 AM

It'll be interesting to see if homelessness and transience around the ITC declines once this development is filled up with residents. I'm hoping that the residents attract additional policing that'll keep property crime in the ground-floor units down. With appropriate policing, and securely-built ground-floor patio locks, etc., I think this development will be safe for residents on every floor. 



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Posted 23 April 2022 - 12:05 PM

It'll be interesting to see if homelessness and transience around the ITC declines once this development is filled up with residents. I'm hoping that the residents attract additional policing that'll keep property crime in the ground-floor units down. With appropriate policing, and securely-built ground-floor patio locks, etc., I think this development will be safe for residents on every floor. 

As long as the busses run to Central Station, we'll be dealing with this problem in this area. Even after the new developments delivered around DART's West End Station and West Transfer, that area has had the same issues for the past 10+ years.

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Posted 01 May 2022 - 12:05 PM

The project is going back before DDRB this week. 

 

 

DG22 – 009 1000 Jones Street

Owner/ Applicant: Central Calhoun, LLC - Mariana Mesquita Paes
Requests approval of conceptual footprint and massing of a 12-story residential building and requests a waiver from the parking garage standards. 


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Posted 04 May 2022 - 12:14 AM

The ground floor corners need to be a priority.  They should not have street-facing blank walls under any circumstances. 

 

This developer appears to have a certain model they follow of 12 floors tall with free standing garages.  If you put a podium garage underneith and increase the height, I'll bet it triggers some additional costs that might break their strategy. 

 

I think that ground floor live work units with stoops can be inserted into the bottom of a residential building without triggering the need for expensive code-related changes that would be required for pure commercial (office/retail) would. 

 

These projects need to also have more planting and planters around the 1st-2nd floor.  Really helps make the street level feel more lush and attractive and offsets the canyon feel at sidewalk level.



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Posted 05 May 2022 - 09:25 PM

 

The project is going back before DDRB this week. 

 

 

DG22 – 009 1000 Jones Street

Owner/ Applicant: Central Calhoun, LLC - Mariana Mesquita Paes
Requests approval of conceptual footprint and massing of a 12-story residential building and requests a waiver from the parking garage standards. 

 

 

Anyone happen to catch the DDRB this afternoon?  Wondering if there was any more news about this project?



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Posted 06 May 2022 - 07:54 AM

I did not get a chance to catch the DDRB Meeting.



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Posted 25 June 2022 - 12:18 PM

1000 Jones is on the 6/30/22 DDRB Agenda:

 

DG22 – 014 1000 Jones Street
Owner/ Applicant: Central Calhoun, LLC - Mariana Mesquita Paes
Requests approval of conceptual footprint and massing of a 12-story residential
building and requests a waiver from the parking garage standards allowing for a
non-active ground floor. 
 


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Posted 25 June 2022 - 01:19 PM

Do you know why it's listed under "new cases"?



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Posted 25 June 2022 - 04:39 PM

Not sure why they listed it under new cases. But on a side note, AHS Residential is now called Resia.

https://www.ahsresidential.com/

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Posted 25 June 2022 - 04:50 PM

https://www.multifam...ands-as-resia_o

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Posted 28 July 2022 - 06:02 AM

Now that the tower has a name, do we need a separate thread or rename this one?

12-story residential tower called The Jones is proposed for downtown Fort Worth

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Posted 28 July 2022 - 07:28 AM

It's easier for me to rename this thread.  Starting new ones, when they are not necessary, just makes threads harder to find and creates confusion.



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 08:56 AM

By the way, AHS (Resia) is also building on the north end of town and west end of town:

 

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2022024728



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 11:50 AM

By the way, AHS (Resia) is also building on the north end of town and west end of town:

 

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2022024728

Is there an artist drawing for the Tarrant Parkway project?  The Jones is a welcome addition to the northeastern quadrant of downtown, particularly because it will eliminate another surface parking lot.



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 12:32 PM

No renderings of their upcoming projects, but the portfolio page on their website gives an idea of their style:

 

https://www.liveresia.com/portfolio



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 01:39 PM

No renderings of their upcoming projects, but the portfolio page on their website gives an idea of their style:

 

https://www.liveresia.com/portfolio

 

They could have used the same rendering for all of their projects and I wouldn't have noticed.



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 02:53 PM

They could have used the same rendering for all of their projects and I wouldn't have noticed.

 

 

 

Very much copy and paste architecture.  



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Posted 28 July 2022 - 07:44 PM

Does having a name raise the odds of this one happening?



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Posted 01 August 2022 - 03:13 PM

 

The one thing I am concerned with this design at this location is for the security of the ground floor units.  There are a lot of homeless and transient people in this area and I would be concerned about living on the ground floor with an outside patio.   That is why I think retail works better for the ground floor.

 

I agree with you, rriojas71.  This rendering from Weatherford thread sums up those concerns, meanwhile county jail is just blocks away.  A guy I know had someone try and jump in the back of his pick-up a few years ago while waiting at the stoplight at Henderson, ended up having to stick a gun in the guy's face to make him back off.  Said he came out of nowhere, threw his bag in the back and started climbing in and insisted on catching a ride somewhere...and this guy is short-tempered to begin with, so they picked the wrong truck to ask for a ride I guess.  Not sure what I would have done in that situation, probably taken off before they could get that close to do anything....jump the curb, run the light, do a u-turn.... at that point I welcome getting pulled over.  

 

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Revisiting this - it appeared you guys were suggesting that ground floor units should not have direct access to sidewalks (or perhaps small patios?) in certain parts of Downtown.  Please correct me if I misunderstood. 

 

I've noticed from Fort Worth and downtowns in other US cities (especially 2021-2022 when homelessness increased everywhere) that the places that seem to attract encampments or clusters of people who seem to be "hiding out" are those that have no ground floor windows.  I do not mean in any way to vilify those who lack housing.  We are, however, hyper focused on promoting good desig for a pedestrian environment that attracts/welcomes large numbers of people, is comfortable and attractive for people of all ages to walk. 

 

If there are no "eyes on the street" (i.e. windows facing the street so presents feeling that activity on the sidewalk is visible by neighbors), that part of the street feels less safe, period.  Blank walls at ground floor level are a MAJOR NO-NO. 

 

Im not an architect and am not on the DDRB (so haven't seen the presentation including their reasoning behind the dead ground floor uses) but noticed on those floor plans a lot of "back of house" uses such as mechanical and electrical closets, placed at prime corner locations. 

 

I'm sure there are trade-offs to push those uses to another location, but too bad.  That is why we have design guidelines - to promote excellence in the urban realm.  They appear to have just asked to waive the entire ground floor design standard.  There are now TONS of examples of ways to make ground floor apartment unts engaging:  stoops, balconies, live/work units, etc.  I want FW to be a good partner with developers but sometimes the developers/architects dont get it right with the first plan and really need to adjust.  Because making the street/sidewalks truly great for walking is probably the single most important part of the design guidelines.  And the building face is a massive part of that pedestrian environment.  It affects whether someone will build across from it, whether people will choose to live in that neighborhood....



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Posted 01 August 2022 - 03:17 PM

The DDRB is meeting again this week and this project is on the agenda so maybe they've made some changes. 



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Posted 01 August 2022 - 05:20 PM

The DDRB is meeting again this week and this project is on the agenda so maybe they've made some changes. 

Ground level . . . ?


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