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[elpingüino]

From the Dallas Business Journal: Provident Realty readies $1B project on former Pate Ranch tract

 

 

Dallas-based developer Provident Realty Advisors is prepping a 468-acre tract formerly owned by Fort Worth's Pate family for a $1 billion mixed-use development with 1,000 single-family homes, nearly 200,000 square feet of grocery-anchored retail space and an apartment community along the Chisholm Trail Parkway.

 

The article says it will be on the southwest quadrant of [the extended] Bryant Irvin and Altamesa, but I'm thinking it would have to be the southeast quadrant. The SW quadrant doesn't have very much room between Bryant Irvin and Benbrook Lake, and that property wouldn't be along the CTP.

[RD Milhollin]

How does the description qualify this development as "mixed use"? The real estate / planning community needs to get together and specifically define this term. The plans announced above have no apparent resemblance to the term as used by urban planners. A "mixed use" neighborhood has dissimilar uses in the same building; residential, commercial, retail, etc. Only industrial uses are segregated to allow for the expected noise and other pollution and for the elevated potential for catastrophic "accidents" that accompany  manufacturing and extraction. The meaning of the term as used in the release quoted above is that there will be residences and stores in the same 468 acre development.. Would anyone, from developer to planning and zoning commissioner to private citizen expect anything else? Why was the term used, to mislead, to raise expectations as to the quality of the development? The term mixed-use connotes a specific sort of neighborhood, and I seriously doubt that is what Provident Realty Advisors has in mind for this plot.

[Urbndwlr]

I've heard the term "multi use" to refer to projects that have multiple uses but uses that are not closely integrated, which is pretty typical in suburban locations.

They usually have different development partners handle different sections (residential developer builds a subdivision, retail developer builds a retail center, etc) and they sell those sections to the different entities.  One major reason is it is much more complicated to integrate all those uses, and can make selling the different components more complex too.  Because developers are greatly rewarded for speed of delivery, leasing, selling, etc, anything that complicates or slows the project costs them much more.

 

The industry has become more accustomed to true mixed use projects, and they are happening more.  Still, the added complexity (and therefore cost and risk) scares a lot of developers off from better integrating those components. 

 

I do wish the City felt it had more leverage to require better connectivity at least between these uses so that residents in the development can comfortably walk to the retail and offices in the same project.  Often the developers fight that connectivity. 

[Austin55]

It's become a buzzword at this point. Only there for marketing uses it seems. 

[johnfwd]

It's become a buzzword at this point. Only there for marketing uses it seems. 

When in doubt, there's always Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia...use_development

[gdvanc]

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I do wish the City felt it had more leverage to require better connectivity at least between these uses so that residents in the development can comfortably walk to the retail and offices in the same project.  Often the developers fight that connectivity. 

 

How's this for leverage: Will you be wanting to tie your project into our water, sewer and streets?

[Urbndwlr]

True but the City feels it has a mandate to facilitate development and needs to hear more from the public regarding support for insisting on better pedestrian connectivity, etc, to push harder - is how I understand it.

[RD Milhollin]

True but the City feels it has a mandate to facilitate development and needs to hear more from the public regarding support for insisting on better pedestrian connectivity, etc, to push harder - is how I understand it.

 

What would you suggest is the best way for a citizen to voice their opinion on this matter? Letters to their council member? Attending a planning or city council meeting and signing up to speak? Is there some more specific vehicle that is better focused on the subject that might get better exposure for the opinion voiced?

[elpingüino]

The anchor of Tavolo Park will be a Kroger, pending City Council approval. I assume this means the Kroger at Hulen and Granbury will close? Or would Kroger operate two stores within two miles of each other?

[Mr_Brightside526]

Tavolo Park now has a website and marketing signs on the front of the property along Alta Mesa blvd.

[Doohickie]

The anchor of Tavolo Park will be a Kroger, pending City Council approval. I assume this means the Kroger at Hulen and Granbury will close? Or would Kroger operate two stores within two miles of each other?

 

It's about the same distance as the Altamesa & McCart Kroger is from the Hulen Bend Kroger, so there's already a precedent in the area for two Kroger stores operating in close proximity, so maybe Hulen Bend stays open?  On the other hand, how many Krogers can be supported in close proximity to each other?  If I were going to close one, it would probably be the one on McCart and let those customers go to Hulen Bend; I think the Hulen Bend store is a little nicer (not sure how they compare in sales currently though.)

[John T Roberts]

Doohickie, I believe the Kroger store at Hulen Bend will be closing on May 3rd., if my sources are correct.

[Doohickie]

Ouch, that's gonna hurt that shopping center.  I remember when that was all new.  It seems like there's some rejuvenation on the other side of Hulen Bend Blvd. (the AMC Theater is being renovated and it seems like there are new businesses in the strip buildings), but the north side of Hulen Bend is going to suffer with that big hole.

[elpingüino]

According to the market/demographic analysis for Chisholm Trail Ranch, a separate development, the Kroger at Tavolo Park will open in February 2019. http://www.edge-re.c...anch_Aerial.pdf

[johnfwd]

More residential development of Tavolo Park, this time for senior citizens.

 

 

http://www.fortworth...64f39edb18.html

[elpingüino]

A while back I signed up for email updates about Tavolo Park. I recently received one that says they're on track for a Spring 2018 grand opening.

"We can't give you too many details yet, but let's just say this place will come with an extra helping of neighborly fun. Think bocce courts, a fabulous swimming pool, cabanas and a beer garden. Yes, we said beer garden."

[elpingüino]

Drove down Altamesa recently. The south extensions of Quail Ridge (with a new stoplight) and Harris Parkway into the development are now open. There doesn't seem to be any activity suggesting that Bryant Irvin will be extended anytime soon.

Plus some info about a new office/medical building: https://koapartners....ail-ridge-road/

[Doohickie]

Interesting:  Same developer that built the hospital in Clearfork.

[Thurman52]

A few model homes framed up, Construction began on the amenities my guesss we wonder see many move in initial spring.

Kroger is supposedly delayed but still coming their old location is becoming a fitness center

[Jeriat]

Kroger is supposedly delayed but still coming their old location is becoming a fitness center

 

I live in The Lofts of Hulen and I see a fitness center in one of the spaces, but not the old Kroger itself. 

I wish it would be turned into an HEB, but I doubt it. 

[elpingüino]

Kroger is supposedly delayed but still coming their old location is becoming a fitness center

 

Correct, the former Kroger site will be Fitness Connection. Here's the site plan: http://www.quine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Hulen-Bend-Village-Site-Plan.pdf  

[elpingüino]

Drove around Tavolo Park recently. Lots of houses are done, lots more under construction. The apartment blocks are being built simultaneously and look close to being complete on the outside.

The frame is up on the Great Hearts charter school, visible from a distance when driving on CTP. Drone video from awhile back:
https://www.facebook...107032647309745

No signs that Kroger is underway, but it's possible there's construction activity I couldn't see from the road. I assume it's still planned since it's still in the site plan.

[Doohickie]

No signs that Kroger is underway, but it's possible there's construction activity I couldn't see from the road. I assume it's still planned since it's still in the site plan.

 

What's on the site plan is "Grocer", not "Kroger" so maybe Kroger backed away.  Not that multiple supermarkets can't be supported in this area, but there is an Albertons a mile north up Harris Pkwy.  Or perhaps Kroger is just waiting until more of the housing is online.

[Jeriat]

 

No signs that Kroger is underway, but it's possible there's construction activity I couldn't see from the road. I assume it's still planned since it's still in the site plan.

 

What's on the site plan is "Grocer", not "Kroger" so maybe Kroger backed away.  Not that multiple supermarkets can't be supported in this area, but there is an Albertons a mile north up Harris Pkwy.  Or perhaps Kroger is just waiting until more of the housing is online.

 

 

Can we PLEASE get an HEB if that's the case? 

[renamerusk]

After a micro vacation in Rockport/Corpus Christi, I agree.  HEB would be a good choice.

[elpingüino]

Nice new medical office and some plans of the area SW of Altamesa/Chisholm Trail
 
https://koapartners....ail-ridge-road/

Pulling this over from the Chisholm Trail thread. Here's the rendering.

[renamerusk]

Still, you know what is surprisingly encouraging, the scale of new development prior to the pandemic hitting Fort Worth is moving along.  It is why I believe that the City putting out such an unclear message about the CC expansion plan now being indefinite is premature.  We should gauge things in a quarterly fashion and make statements based upon what is actually happening. 

[panthercity]

Still, you know what is surprisingly encouraging, the scale of new development prior to the pandemic hitting Fort Worth is moving along.  It is why I believe that the City putting out such an unclear message about the CC expansion plan now being indefinite is premature.  We should gauge things in a quarterly fashion and make statements based upon what is actually happening. 

Wait a minute!? Did I miss something? The CC expansion plan is dead ?

[JBB]

Not dead. On hold.

[elpingüino]

The extension of Bryant Irvin south of Altamesa is now open, and construction on the large assisted living complex is well underway.

[elpingüino]

There's a lot of activity happening at the easternmost tract of Tavolo Park, between CTP and the railroad tracks, on the south side of Altamesa. Do any of you have a way to tell what's going in there? I can't find a site plan online that's been updated since 2020. The signs say it's zoned MU-2, mixed use.

[Stadtplan]

Record ZL24-00009: 

Zoning Verification

Record Status: Applied

https://aca-prod.acc...ShowInspection=

 

Original ZC-21-097: https://aca-prod.acc...ShowInspection=

 

Work Location

6701 DIRKS RD

 

Project Description:

BBG

Zoned "PD1317"

 

Applicant:

Angel Towers

BBG

2374 Camden Oak Way

Lithonia, GA, 30058

 

Owner:

Pate Ranch Commercial LP *

10210 N Central Expwy

Ste 300

Dallas TX 75231

 

Current Zoning: PD: Planned Development

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stadtplan]

Here's another PDC that posted recently for a new retail / restaurant (s):

 

Record PDC-24-0029: 

Pre-Development Conference

Record Status: In Review

 

Permit Address

Harris Parkway and Altamesa Boulevard

 

Job Value($):

$4,000,000.00

 

Number of Buildings:

1

 

Proposed Square Feet:20000

 

Proposed Use:Mixed Use

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rriojas71]

That's an interesting location.  I kinda like the layout.  The packet also mentioned the "future rail station at Sycamore School Rd which also caught my attention.

[John T Roberts]

I believe that station has been in the plan for the TEXRail Extension ever since the project was conceived. 

[Jeriat]

That's an interesting location.  I kinda like the layout.  The packet also mentioned the "future rail station at Sycamore School Rd which also caught my attention.

 

[rriojas71]

Thanks Jeriat.  I did know about the extension on the Texrail, I was just surprised that they put it into their package as if it is a done deal.

[Doohickie]

A sliver of land between the railroad and the freeway.... looks like it would be a lousy place to live.