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[eastfwther]

No renderings yet, but sounds pretty sweet.  

 

 

Four Seasons project set for Dallas’ Turtle Creek will bring grand hotel and condos

 

A new tower on the way in Dallas’ Turtle Creek neighborhood will bring what developers promise to be the city’s most luxurious new hotel, plus high-end housing and exclusive office space.

 

 

https://www.dallasne...tel-and-condos/

[roverone]

(I tried to post this earlier, but forum was having a tough time saving my reply)

 

Of course, I'm just generally envious of pouring $750M into a building, but there are some interesting things in the article:  "...had been planning an office building on the property but decided to make a shift" to "will bring what developers promise to be the city’s most luxurious new hotel, plus high-end housing and exclusive office space"

 

I don't know how the square footage works out, but it reads as 100 condominium homes (for purchase), on top of a 250 room hotel, with 100,000 square feet of office space, I suppose at the bottom.

 

I guess we were hoping for a less luxurious version of this on a certain parking lot block in our city.

[rriojas71]

the link has a paywall

[hannerhan]

Anyone else coming out and saying that this would be the nicest hotel in town and most expensive residences, and I'd probably be skeptical.  But Perot saying it with their developer means that it's actually true.  Their family office HQ across the street is probably the nicest private office space I've ever seen.  It doesn't even compare with most office space, but rather is more like museum-quality.  

 

Can't wait to see this come together.  

[Nitixope]

Anyone else coming out and saying that this would be the nicest hotel in town and most expensive residences, and I'd probably be skeptical.  But Perot saying it with their developer means that it's actually true.  Their family office HQ across the street is probably the nicest private office space I've ever seen.  It doesn't even compare with most office space, but rather is more like museum-quality.  

 

Can't wait to see this come together.  

 

You're right about the Perot Family Turtle Creek Office....it is quite the gem.  The best comparison I could make was that it is head-to-toe museum-quality finishes....along the lines of what you might see at Kimbell Piano Pavilion but with all types of fine furniture, décor and lighting.  I had the opportunity to tour the space during construction and after construction and it was spectacular.  There's a quite large kitchen, servery, and dining space centrally-located and even a small, private museum space in the lower level highlighting Mr. Perot's legacy.  Even the parking garage was nice, I recall it had heated concrete ramps going in and out of it to prevent ice build-up.

 

I had mentioned it a few months ago in this post regarding Museum Place.

http://www.fortworth...c=1506&p=130560

[roverone]

We do not have Dallas's track record, nor Dallas's inertia, but we very much need to research why huge amounts of capital are comfortable investing there, and almost no one is willing to invest here in in our city.  We share the region; the airport; so it is not that; it must be more local...  we have got to figure this out.  I expect that if we did research we could easily find $4 - $5 billion dollars in near term Dallas development in the press.  We in FTW would be ecstatic to get 1/10 of that.

 

I very much want our new city leadership to fund "off the record" interviews with developers to understand the real things that drive their decisions (not just the "somebody went to a seminar" PowerPoint reasons).

 

We are a good city, and we have good cultural infrastructure and the same regional attributes as this location 30.75 miles away.  I don't think the people who will office, holiday, or live in this kind of building care about affordable housing or public schools; what, in general, makes it be a low enough risk investment to spend in the neighborhood of $37M per floor to build something like this?  What can Fort Worth do to work our way toward that as a part of a better balanced city?

[renamerusk]

You might try not being so easily distracted by something that is actually none of Fort Worth's business. The constant drumbeat of gloom plus envy is wearisome.

 

The object of a distraction is to derail positive things which make the distractor nervous and insecure. There has been an enormous amount of positive news recently both statewide and nationally about Fort Worth, so of course, the distraction is launched which is obviously intended as a transference of their insecurities towards their target. I find becoming unglued each time a distraction is laid before one can become problematic to one's own scheme. Distract, confuse, disarm. Please don't take the bait!

 

My understanding based upon very early reporting suggests something in the neighborhood of 20-story; something hard to get ecstatic about. Time will tell how accurate this early reporting is.

 

I think Fort Worth's people are quite happy with Fort Worth; and its refreshing to see that what goes on elsewhere doesn't particularly rattle this City. 

 

Fort Worth has nationally acclaimed institutions such as museums, graceful river forks with water in them,  FWZoo, Japanese Gardens, FWSY, Cliburn Piano Competition, a rapidly rising Lawyer School, a Big 12 member, new medical school, the best iconic bridge spanning the Trinity River around here, so on, so on.

 

 "Stay in your own lane; be calm and carry on!"

[Nitixope]

I do not see it all as doom and gloom. I would say in addition to Museum Place, the Bowie House, Piano Pavilion and Dickies Arena are all fine examples of those with a vision for our city. You could probably tack on Kimpton amd Sinclair too but those are more investor-backed. Speaking of Perot, Hillwood is building another 1.3M SQFT near Alliance and I am sure more on the way behind that. Maybe not as exciting of a project but still part of our city.