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#1 renamerusk

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:01 AM

 

 

901 Commerce has been added to DFWI's website

 

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The "bones" are in place to make Worth Square a great public space with the removal 950 Commerce; encircle the square with brick paved road, add a water feature or a small puppet theater..Nice!

 

 

 

Yeah 950 Commerce has to go

 

 

It just needs activation of some sort. Ground floor retail would be fantastic, especially if it could tie into the park in some way. 

 

A55, is it that you think that if 950 Commerce could activate components of retail/food like the Sundance Pavilion,  then 950 Commerce could remain a "good fit" within GWS?

 



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

what exactly is 950 commerce?



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:28 PM

what exactly is 950 commerce?

 

This building - http://www.fortworth...?showtopic=5380

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah 950 Commerce has to go

 

 

 

It just needs activation of some sort. Ground floor retail would be fantastic, especially if it could tie into the park in some way. 

 

A55, is it that you think that if 950 Commerce could activate components of retail/food like the Sundance Pavilion,  then 950 Commerce could remain a "good fit" within GWS?

 


 

 

 

I don't see it as a negative the way it is now.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:39 PM

I picture the square being tied into whatever happens to the north end of the convention center the same way the Water Gardens were tied into the south end expansion.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

I picture the square being tied into whatever happens to the north end of the convention center the same way the Water Gardens were tied into the south end expansion.


Do you think 9th St should be closed/pedestrianized?

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:20 PM

No, I don't think 9th should be closed.  I think the removal of the parking spaces and widening of the sidewalks are enough.  This would create too large of a super block.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:28 AM

ahh. always seen it, never knew what it was used for. 



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:11 AM

I don't think that 9th should be closed for the same reason as John's, but I would be interested in some type of set up that allows for Main to be closed for events in the square.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:18 AM

The Police and Fire Departments want streets in downtown to either be permanently closed or permanently open (with special exceptions, not just events).  Otherwise, it creates public safety issues.  When the debate was going on regarding the plaza, the PD and FD preferred to have the street permanently closed between 3rd and 4th Streets.  Now, it is only open during parades, which are even more limited exceptions.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:06 PM

I wish they would permanently close Main Street between 2nd & 3rd and then also close 3rd St. between Houston & Commerce. I think it would work better as a true pedestrian mall vibe. I just think 3rd Street is too busy with cars and pedestrians interacting continuously; especially on busy nights.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:12 PM

Regarding 9th street, it's a busy corridor for buses traveling between Houston / Throckmorton streets and the ITC.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 10:31 AM

A new Heritage Trails marker dedicated MLK is going to be installed in the Square.

 

http://fortworthtexa...4/mlk-memorial/

 

https://www.fortwort...itagetrails.com



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:37 PM

DFWI's annual report has a small mention of this. Firm Arcturis did a pro bono study on the park for DFWI, some of the layouts were shown in the report.

 

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 05:55 PM

I see that two of these layouts close the street.  I would say that if this block of Main Street was closed, then the city should close the entire street to vehicles and make it a pedestrian only space, except for maybe deliveries.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:09 PM

Of the two street closure proposals, there's one with a large grass lawn and one that's mostly paved.

 

I'd rather go with the large grass lawn proposal. The eastern part of downtown lacks large grassy parks, and Main Street already has a paved plaza.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:34 PM

I didn't post the text, but it mentions short and long term concepts. Presumably they could build bottom left tomorrow and then have top right in a few years if they wanted. It also mentions an "enhanced role in conjunction with the convention center expansion", so I'd assume any work here would occur around that time. 



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:14 PM

I like the closed street models; either is an improvement over the slicing of the square by Main Street.

 

The layout reminds me of Washington Square, NYC.  It would be a perfect situation to place a large spray fountain or a replica of the Tarrant County Courthouse's South Portico (columns and frieze).

 

Someone mentioned the need for something iconic, this square could become comparable to SS and an addition to with cafes and food shops surrounding it.  It would be both an instant success and a picturesque success.

 

There is such potential to this green space.

 

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:47 AM

Main street closed or not. I still want that lower right building gone. And get rid of that car tunnel whatever it is. President Kennedy statue put it on that exact spot where he made that public speech on the morning of November 22 1963. And the area where the public stood and heard President Kennedy that morning. A lush open green grass space for the public to enjoy. People can picnic sunbath whatever.JFK statue over looking it. 

 

And oh ! P.S.  Rename it "President Kennedy Square" I never understood what did General Worth do on that block that tumps over that sad but very historic day over Kennedy ? It was just a parking lot before Kennedy speech. Plenty of other ways and places to honor the city namesake. Even have a statue of General Worth of his own in another green space park of his own. Maybe in or around Panther Island ?   



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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:32 AM

And oh ! P.S.  Rename it "President Kennedy Square" I never understood what did General Worth do on that block that tumps over that sad but very historic day over Kennedy ? ...

 

 History suggests that General Worth actually never visited Fort Worth, however, the general was a highly awarded soldier who did spend time in other parts of Texas.  Worth is also honored in NYC. Fort Worth was named in his honor because of his service to the country.  I hope that I have the history right.

 

Even though I have a positive opinion of JFK, I do not believe that a square honoring the president is more appropriate than the naming of the square for Gen. Worth.  The statue of JFK is without question appropriate, but there ought to be more care in placing memorials and or name public spaces.



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Posted 12 April 2018 - 11:50 AM

 

And oh ! P.S.  Rename it "President Kennedy Square" I never understood what did General Worth do on that block that tumps over that sad but very historic day over Kennedy ? ...

 

 History suggests that General Worth actually never visited Fort Worth, however, the general was a highly awarded soldier who did spend time in other parts of Texas.  Worth is also honored in NYC. Fort Worth was named in his honor because of his service to the country.  I hope that I have the history right.

 

Even though I have a positive opinion of JFK, I do not believe that a square honoring the president is more appropriate than the naming of the square for Gen. Worth.  The statue of JFK is without question appropriate, but there ought to be more care in placing memorials and or name public spaces.

 

 

Again General Worth didn't do anything on that block ? As I said we can honor him in other ways in another area. With a statue of General Worth himself. It was just a parking lot before the speech. But suddenly after the Presidents death. City leaders had a sudden itch to honor General Worth on that particular lot ? It just had to be that Kennedy speech lot ? You said it yourself. And that is also what I heard, that General Worth never been to Fort Worth. That is a head-scratcher. I believe it is very appropriate to name the park after Kennedy. Well that is my strong opinion on that matter anyway. 



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Posted 12 April 2018 - 01:27 PM

General William Jenkins Worth never visited Fort Worth.  He actually died before the fort was ever established.  He passed away from cholera in San Antonio a few months before.  However, that is probably why the fort was named after him because of the fairly short amount of time between his passing and setting up of the fort.

 

The block bounded by 8th, Commerce, 9th, and Main was the home of the Metropolitan Hotel.  It was built on the western half of the block in 1898 by Winfield Scott.  It was doubled in size around 1905 to include the eastern half of the block.  In 1938, it was sold to the Milner Hotel Corp. and remained in their hands until 1959.  However, it was during this time that it became run down.  The hotel closed in that year and was demolished for a parking lot.  It was in that parking lot where John F. Kennedy appeared before the public on the day that he was assassinated.  In the mid-1960's, the Moncrief family purchased the southeast corner of the block and built their office building on the site.  In the late 1970's, with the restoration of the old Hotel Texas (Hilton) and construction of Continental Plaza (777 Main) planned, the City of Fort Worth purchased the remaining 3/4 of that block and 1/2 block to the west where Washer Bros. was located.  The city built a 2 level underground parking garage that connected into the Hotel Texas with a city park on top.  At that time, there was no place honoring General Worth, so they decided to name the green space after him. 

 

This is why there is a concrete ramp going down off of Commerce and off of 8th Street.  These ramps need to be in place to utilize the underground parking.







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