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#1 Jeriat

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 04:50 PM

I was just randomly surfing the net and saw this plan for two TOD's for Burleson... 

This is of course coming off of the plans for a commuter rail line from the ITC to Cleburne, who has their own ITC and I will post later. 

But I wanted to start by focusing on Burleson first. This is part of their TOD Study from 2012. If you haven't seen it, here's the PDF

 

Just some renders. Looks like they're also wanting to make their own transit center.

 

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 08:50 PM

Confession time-My info states I live in SE-Northside Fort Worth. My mistake-That's where I'm from , not where I live. I reside 11 miles from Burleson, uh no, 4 miles from Bur,,,wait. Ok, Burleson has stopped annexing for a few minutes. I now share a property line with the Burleson City Limits ( guess I'm next.)    

 

The West TOD station is about 5 miles from my residence. Burleson Domained all property needed for this station, including public access, sometime within the last ten years. They are working on surface roads in that area with the traffic circle now complete. Still working on the Alsbury Road rail crossing and then it will be complete as well. That will leave only Hulen St to expand and eventually connect to the junction at McPherson ( somewhere along the path of old West Cleburne Road.)                                                                                    

 

BTW Jeriat, you have done beautiful work on the threads concerning this subject. I have desired Public rail transit in our hometown since I heard stories of the Interurban system from relatives. My heart broke when Little D to the East beat us to the punch.                                                                                                                            

 

In that vein, please continue to champion this cause.  Maybe it will happen in my grown children's lifetime.    Thanx.               


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#3 Mr_Brightside526

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:09 PM

Here is more fuel to the Burleson economic development fire. A place to keep our eyes on.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 01:02 PM

I drove through their "Old Town" district last night and I gotta admit, I was a little impressed with what they had. I think this is the only suburb I know in this area that has a downtown area you can see from an Interstate...?

 


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 01:16 PM

Carrolton's downtown area is so close to I-35E that you can barely see it from the elevated freeway.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 02:49 PM

Jeriat, are you talking about the original old town or the new construction around Scott ave?

 

I lived in Rendon (a Burleson address) for about 3 years and always enjoyed trips downtown. They've done some nice simple investments in the area that make it nice and pedestrian freindly, such as 



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 04:47 PM

Jeriat, are you talking about the original old town or the new construction around Scott ave?

 

 

 

I thought it was all one thing.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:12 PM

The original "old town" was centered in the area immediately to the west of the railroad tracks.  The "new old town" is a new development just to the west of I-35W is centered around Scott St.



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 06:07 AM

Let's be realistic about seeing rail transit in Johnson County. Forget about raising the money to build it, let's just look at raising the money to maintain and operate it. To run trains in operations as much as Denton County, you're going to have to spend $14 million  every year. DCTA in FY 2016 budgeted spending $14 million on rail operations, and nearly $10 million on bus operations. They budgeted collecting $23 million in sales tax revenues, and collecting nearly $5 million in fares. 

DCTA only gets 1 cent of the 8,25 cents collected on every dollar spent. To collect $23 million in sales taxes, it requires a population over 753,000.

 

Johnson County latest population estimating is over 157,000. Therefore sales taxes from Johnson County should be around 21% of what's collected in Denton County. That $23 million should be nearer $5 million. And $5 million isn't even going to finance a good bus system - far less of what is needed to fund a good train. 

 

All the talk about running trains to Johnson County over BNSF or UP tracks is just talk, i.e. hot air.The idea that Fort Worth will pitch in millions of dollars every year to run trains to Cleburne is foolish, because Fort Worth will rather spend that much money on itself. I realize planners are always looking at ways to reduce the number of cars and trucks on our highways for various reasons, so trains always arise from them. But it is just an exercise to them, because the money isn't there to sustain it. 



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:45 AM

Let's be realistic about seeing rail transit in Johnson County. Forget about raising the money to build it, let's just look at raising the money to maintain and operate it. To run trains in operations as much as Denton County, you're going to have to spend $14 million  every year. DCTA in FY 2016 budgeted spending $14 million on rail operations, and nearly $10 million on bus operations. They budgeted collecting $23 million in sales tax revenues, and collecting nearly $5 million in fares. 
DCTA only gets 1 cent of the 8,25 cents collected on every dollar spent. To collect $23 million in sales taxes, it requires a population over 753,000.
 
Johnson County latest population estimating is over 157,000. Therefore sales taxes from Johnson County should be around 21% of what's collected in Denton County. That $23 million should be nearer $5 million. And $5 million isn't even going to finance a good bus system - far less of what is needed to fund a good train. 
 
All the talk about running trains to Johnson County over BNSF or UP tracks is just talk, i.e. hot air.The idea that Fort Worth will pitch in millions of dollars every year to run trains to Cleburne is foolish, because Fort Worth will rather spend that much money on itself. I realize planners are always looking at ways to reduce the number of cars and trucks on our highways for various reasons, so trains always arise from them. But it is just an exercise to them, because the money isn't there to sustain it.

My short answer to all you've posted, respectfully:

You're talking about now... I'm talking potential future connectivity.

Of course there won't be anything going down there any time in the near future. But who's to say it won't happen, say... 15-20 years from now?

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

That's some interesting perspective. Expecting anything in 15-20 years is still a pipe dream. Even if Johnson County started growing at the same rate Denton County has since the 2000 census, it would still take more than 70 years to add 500k residents.

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:05 PM

My short answer to all you've posted, respectfully:    You're talking about now... I'm talking potential future connectivity.....Of course there won't be anything going down there any time in the near future. But who's to say it won't happen, say... 15-20 years from now?

 

 Better to disregard the naysayers!

 

 Johnson County/Burleson is demonstrating a forward looking approach to the future needs of its residents and planning for its future; and it can draw upon a history for evidence.  There was a time when the population of North Texas was a fraction of what it is today; and yet there existed a rail network, The Interurban, that connected the cities in Johnson County to Fort Worth and beyond.

 

Burleson should be commended.



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:08 PM

Let's be realistic about seeing rail transit in Johnson County. Forget about raising the money to build it, let's just look at raising the money to maintain and operate it. To run trains in operations as much as Denton County, you're going to have to spend $14 million  every year. DCTA in FY 2016 budgeted spending $14 million on rail operations, and nearly $10 million on bus operations. They budgeted collecting $23 million in sales tax revenues, and collecting nearly $5 million in fares. 

DCTA only gets 1 cent of the 8,25 cents collected on every dollar spent. To collect $23 million in sales taxes, it requires a population over 753,000.

 

Johnson County latest population estimating is over 157,000. Therefore sales taxes from Johnson County should be around 21% of what's collected in Denton County. That $23 million should be nearer $5 million. And $5 million isn't even going to finance a good bus system - far less of what is needed to fund a good train. 

 

All the talk about running trains to Johnson County over BNSF or UP tracks is just talk, i.e. hot air.The idea that Fort Worth will pitch in millions of dollars every year to run trains to Cleburne is foolish, because Fort Worth will rather spend that much money on itself. I realize planners are always looking at ways to reduce the number of cars and trucks on our highways for various reasons, so trains always arise from them. But it is just an exercise to them, because the money isn't there to sustain it. 

 

Denton County does not contribute sales tax revenue to transit.

 

DCTA receives sales tax revenue from the cities of Denton (128,000), Lewisville (103,000), and Highland Village (16,000). The population of those three cities combined is roughly 247,000.

 

Also, DCTA receives a half-cent sales tax from member cities, not a full cent.


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