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#1 Austin55

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 02:35 PM

From the TIF

 

 

Discussion and Consideration of a Resolution to Approve a TIF Development Agreement with StoneHawk Capital Partners, LLC for public improvements associated with the development of an apartment complex located between E. Broadway Ave. and E. Annie St., Crawford St. and S. Jones St., Foremost Dairies Inc Plant Site, Blk 1, Tucker Addition-Ft Worth Blk 56, Lot 1C, 2C, 11, 12, (Paul Paine, TIF Administrator)

 

The area described is pretty massive and encompasses several blocks, as well as a few existing buildings such as the Brik Venue, but for the most part is empty land. I doubt the entire area will be developed but it does seem like it could be fairly sizable.

 

I believe this is a bit more specifically the land involved, 

 

 

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There also seems to be a park involved 

 

 

. Discussion and Consideration of a Resolution to Approve a TIF Funding Agreement with Fort Worth Southside Development District, Inc. d/b/a Fort Worth South, Inc., for park design of two parcels adjacent to the E. Broadway Apartments project located on E. Broadway Ave., within Foremost Dairies Inc. Plant Site, Blk 1,

 

 

Something to keep an eye on and see if we hear anything else. 



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Posted 29 July 2016 - 10:04 PM

In this instance a TIF is probably a needed deal-maker for the developers. There is a significant need for public streets in the area that connect to other streets, and I am sure the water and sewer facilities are severely outdated and insufficient for any sort mid-to-high density residential development. The taxable value of the property can only go up from what is has been for the last several decades, and decent residences with amenities that close to Downtown and in the Near Southside is going to attract people willing to pay for the location. In return, what do the people (the city) get? Will there be a fraction of the units devoted to "affordable housing", i.e affordable for the people who are going to be employed at the local businesses the residents will depend on? Will the development meet existing urban guidelines for setbacks and form codes? Is this going to look like some sort apartment complex in the 'burbs or is going to complement a resurrecting urban core? What about parking? Standard paved fields or a structure, perhaps integrated with retail and services? Is the park going to be a decorative window dressing that residents drive past as they pull into the development or is it going to be designed to actually serve the neighborhood, with sport courts, open spaces, walking path, etc.? How is noise from the railroad tracks and yard going to be remediated, and not just noise, but the danger of toxic spills and explosive tank cars? Perhaps the TIF could be tasked with providing the beginning of a large earthen berm running along the tracks to shield the new developments from dangers associated with railroads, and even to help the railroads keep unwanted people off their property. Maybe some sort of cooperative agreement could be negotiated...



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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:29 PM

Just east of HopFusion Brewery.  That will probably be good for them.


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Posted 31 July 2016 - 09:07 AM

Just east of HopFusion Brewery.  That will probably be good for them.

 

Good for whom? The brewery, the residents, or both?



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 01:17 PM

The brewery is what I meant (and probably for residents who enjoy a good beer.)

 

What do we call this area?  I kind of think it may be distinct from Near Southside and even South Main.  Maybe call it East Main?  Railhead? Bryan-Crawford-Calhoun?  Basically, I'm thinking of the area east of Main, and west of the train tracks, running between, say, Vickery and Rosedale.
 


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 01:37 PM

The brewery is what I meant (and probably for residents who enjoy a good beer.)

 

What do we call this area?  I kind of think it may be distinct from Near Southside and even South Main.  Maybe call it East Main?  Railhead? Bryan-Crawford-Calhoun?  Basically, I'm thinking of the area east of Main, and west of the train tracks, running between, say, Vickery and Rosedale.
 

 

I think it already has a name. 

South Main Village (the teal)

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 02:09 PM

I stated that I think the area east of Main may evolve to be a distinct neighborhood apart from South Main.  I see South Main Village as a family/wholesome/touristy area, and the area just east of it along Bryan being a little more "grown up" with bars, breweries, distilleries, etc.  South Main is where the good kids hang out; Bryan-to-the-train-tracks will be where the cool kids hang out.

 

I may be projecting a bit, but in talking to people who own businesses along Bryan, they agree with this vision.


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 02:47 PM

I think it would be great to see that area take a very musical turn, with Shipping & Receiving and Niles City Sound studios both being right there at the heart of it. 



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Posted 01 August 2016 - 03:43 PM

One of the things I like about this area compared to W7th is that it will be a series of competing projects, as opposed to W7th which is dominated by the one central monolith (or maybe two) with a few hangers-on around the edges.  So instead of a corporate vision of what it "should be", I think South Main will be a little more "organic" in nature, more like Magnolia.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 07:37 PM

Evidently this will host have a town-home component as well and total 272 units. For comparison, Highpoint is 227 and 400 S. Jennings is 217. 



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:51 PM

I think South Main will be a little more "organic" in nature, more like Magnolia.

As much as I like Magnolia and I think it's a great addition to FW the more I hang out there the less organic it feels. Organic, in my opinion, are more established neighborhoods that have a bit more diversity in their nature, places that sit side by side without any rhyme or reason; kinda like many of the neighborhoods I experienced while living in SF & Chicago. Ones with higher end restaurants and bars, next to tattoo parlors, antique shops, boutique hotels, hole in the wall joints, delis, bookstores, record shops & other oddities. Don't get me wrong, I really like some of the places on Magnolia, but everything seems to be extremely "Kentrified" and put neatly in it's place (except for a few exceptions). It has too much of a produced vibe for me to label it organic. If it weren't for the bones of the older buildings it would feel a lot more like W. 7th than you might think and vice versa. That being said, I am grateful to have an area like this in FW to have as a destination. There wasn't anything like this while I was growing up here and coming of age.

South Main and the area East towards S&R does seem to have a grittier feel to it and I prefer that over Magnolia, but with Kent & Co.'s headquarters there I don't know if that feel will remain. I truly hope I'm wrong about that.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:48 AM

I guess I'm too old and not hip enough to understand the backlash toward the what the Churchills are doing on the Southside. People complain incessantly that too many Dallas developers make things happen here and others find a way to get bent out of shape when someone local steps up. If they were tattooed, wore Birkenstocks, and saved up their pay from washing dishes at the hospital cafeteria to open a shop on Jennings selling hand-painted luggage, we would call them the saviors of Magnolia. But because they grew up in upper society and used the proceeds from selling their family's car dealership to reinvest in their hometown, they're the villain.

(Note: I have no issue with tattoos, Birkenstocks, washing dishes, etc. Just making a point.)

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:25 AM

I don't have a problem with what the Kents are doing either.

 

As far as gritty/organic goes, part of that has to do with how old or how safe an area is.  Even though Magnolia has old buildings, most of the renovations are recent, so they still have that "new" feel to them, and they're nice and clean.

 

A few years ago I spent a week in Austin and noticed areas around UT that had similar feel, but they were more established, a little grittier, etc.  It was cool, but I have to admit that I tend to prefer the more "antiseptic" version you see along Magnolia.  Gritty means a little dirtier, a little less safe, etc.  I feel much more relaxed/at home in the near Southside, and it's because people like the Kents are doing their thing.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:44 PM

I think Magnolia and much of the Southside is somewhere in the middle: a slightly new, manufactured feel with some of the feel of full blown grit. 7th and Sundance Square have a lot of great attributes, but Magnolia has that "charm" that we shouldn't take for granted.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

Agreed.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 06:00 PM

I guess I'm too old and not hip enough to understand the backlash toward the what the Churchills are doing on the Southside. People complain incessantly that too many Dallas developers make things happen here and others find a way to get bent out of shape when someone local steps up. If they were tattooed, wore Birkenstocks, and saved up their pay from washing dishes at the hospital cafeteria to open a shop on Jennings selling hand-painted luggage, we would call them the saviors of Magnolia. But because they grew up in upper society and used the proceeds from selling their family's car dealership to reinvest in their hometown, they're the villain.(Note: I have no issue with tattoos, Birkenstocks, washing dishes, etc. Just making a point.)


I kind of figured my initial post might spark a bit of a misunderstanding. LOL

Actually for me there is no backlash at all. In my post I actually applauded the fact that Magnolia exists and that I am glad it has become a destination neighborhood in FW. I was merely commenting on the fact that (through my eyes and experience) it does not feel as organic to me, but instead feels much more produced; which I have no complaints about. It is miles above what the area was like before it was rejuvenated. Also, I think you can have some grit to an area and it can still feel safe. SF has several of these areas and at no point during my time living there did I ever feel unsafe.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 08:29 AM

Yeah, I understood you and didn't mean that to sound as directed straight at you as it did. The term "Kentrification" has generally had a negative tone about it and I'm just a little baffled by it.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

2 small parks are proposed in the east of S. Main area, the northernmost one is likely part of this project.

 

http://fortworthtexa...Broadway-parks/



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:58 AM

The "pocket park" concept is a wonderful idea.  It gives the immediate surrounding locals a feeling of ownership and stewardship for the green space.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:43 PM

What amenities would these pocket parks consist of?

 

To change the topic a little, I've got a vision of townhomes being built along Bryan Ave. and Crawford St. between roughly Peter Smith St. and Rosedale.

 

These townhomes would be built with old west-style wooden false fronts. Perhaps build some businesses along S. Main with similar architecture.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 07:09 PM

5:30 March 29th will be a meeting at shipping and receiving to discuss the parks and get public input.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:33 PM

What amenities would these pocket parks consist of?

 

To change the topic a little, I've got a vision of townhomes being built along Bryan Ave. and Crawford St. between roughly Peter Smith St. and Rosedale.

 

These townhomes would be built with old west-style wooden false fronts. Perhaps build some businesses along S. Main with similar architecture.

 

I don't think that style will fly in that part of town.


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:48 AM

5:30 March 29th will be a meeting at shipping and receiving to discuss the parks and get public input.

Your Instagram pics are truly amazing! 



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:24 AM

 

5:30 March 29th will be a meeting at shipping and receiving to discuss the parks and get public input.

Your Instagram pics are truly amazing! 

 

 

I appreciate that :) 



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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:32 AM

It looks like this project will consist of 8 seperate buildings. Here they are broken down by unit number,

 

38

39

43

47

59

66

 

for a total of 303 units.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 11:24 AM

The site has been cleared .



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 11:38 AM

The site has been cleared .

Is there a rendering?



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 11:55 AM

 

The site has been cleared .

Is there a rendering?

 

 

 

All I've seen is this little thumbnail 

 

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:54 PM

The site has been cleared .

Is there a rendering?
 
 
All I've seen is this little thumbnail 
 
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Hmmmmm... I think I’ve seen this design somewhere before.





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