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#101 Jeriat

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 12:22 PM

This building looks uglier and uglier every time I look at the rendering. It's going to be an eyesore on our skyline.

 

I don't think it's ugly, but it'll look weird with it being extra skinny... almost like having a communication tower in the middle of downtown. 


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

The building will be 50 feet wide, 95 feet long, and approximately 275 feet tall.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

 

This building looks uglier and uglier every time I look at the rendering. It's going to be an eyesore on our skyline.

 

I don't think it's ugly, but it'll look weird with it being extra skinny... almost like having a communication tower in the middle of downtown. 

 

 

RI makes me think of one my favorite Dallas skyscrapers;  I see a lot of similarity and scale between it and RI -

 

http://rebusinessonl...owntown-dallas/



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:14 PM

The building will be 50 feet wide, 95 feet long, and approximately 275 feet tall.

 

Quite specific details. Do you know more - permitting, start, etc?



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:27 PM

The building will be 50 feet wide, 95 feet long, and approximately 275 feet tall.

I'll get that on SketchUp when I get back home.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:54 PM

 

 

This building looks uglier and uglier every time I look at the rendering. It's going to be an eyesore on our skyline.

 

I don't think it's ugly, but it'll look weird with it being extra skinny... almost like having a communication tower in the middle of downtown. 

 

 

RI makes me think of one my favorite Dallas skyscrapers;  I see a lot of similarity and scale between it and RI -

 

http://rebusinessonl...owntown-dallas/

 

 

At least the windows of that Dallas building are identical on every floor until you reach the top.

 

I'm fine with the scale of RI- it's the windows that drive me crazy. I hate them!


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:51 PM

I agree that the windows look awkward, but I also think this is one that might look better as built than it does in a flat rendering.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 03:55 PM

The building will be 50 feet wide, 95 feet long, and approximately 275 feet tall.

I would have expected about 60-65 wide at least as the residence Inns I have helped with the rooms were about 25' deep. You might get squeezed a but usually not much. For a comparison look to 211 N Ervay in Dallas, the building if I remember right was actually about 45 as the lot was only 50.  



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 07:36 PM

Arch-image, welcome to the Forum. :)



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:30 PM

I don't have a plat of the property, but the standard downtown blocks are 200 feet x 200 feet with lots each being 25 feet wide.  The depth of the lots are 95 feet with a 10 foot wide alley.  I am basing my dimensions on the standard, but there are some deviations. 



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

New here, (thanks John!) And i would LOVE to see this happen, not for it being an hotel but for a tall building. Would love to see more to be honest.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:20 PM

Welcome to the forum!  As a preservationist, I have mixed emotions.  I'm a little sorry to see the loss of one of the city's early mid-rise buildings in downtown.  The building was built in 1903, yet it has been significantly altered.  The alteration occurred in 1950; therefore, they could be considered historic.  On the other hand, it would be nice to see this addition to our skyline.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:32 PM

A_Random_Username, welcome to the Forum. :)



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 11:18 PM

Thanks all! Glad to be here!

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:13 PM

Thanks Rename as well as others, was here way in the past, but somewhere along the line kinda got busy and stopped following it but glad to be back not only in the forum but also back to living and working from the Ft Worth and Tarrant county side of town, no offense intended to my friends in the Dallas Side! :)



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 02:05 PM

 

The building will be 50 feet wide, 95 feet long, and approximately 275 feet tall.

I'll get that on SketchUp when I get back home.

 

Jeriat, are you going to model the building's massing so we can see how it will look as proposed? 

I'm curious if it would be visible from the most common perspectives or angles of the skyline (west from Amon Carter, east from Gateway Park).  From west Burnett Plaza might block it. 

 

 

Regarding height, I don't know how John got to the 275' number but its worth pointing out that hotels tend to have really short floor to floor heights, so a 25 story hotel will be shorter than a 25 story office building.

 

I am also a little sad they have chosen a site where an existing building is that could be renovated.  Would prefer to see it take the place of a surface parking lot.  Understandably, they probably want it to be walkable within the Downtown core and to the Convention Center, and potentially (as suggested by another Forum member in another thread) some land owners might not be sellers at the moment. 

 

John (or any other architect): is there a name for the current design trend of the offset window patterns?  It is definitely what is happening in facade design today. 

I don't have a problem with that but do think the design could be refined and improved a little with some tweaks. 

 

I do like the idea of a really slim building, as it won't block out much natural light to the street, but gets some good density with really small footprint.  I do wonder where they'll have a valet garage.  Not sure what's available to them close by, as some guests will certainly arrive by car.



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:57 PM

Here is how I came up with a 275' height for a 25 story hotel.  Yes, hotels have shorter floor to floor heights than office buildings.  I was assuming 10 feet from floor to floor.  It could be as little as 9 feet.  Anything less than that would probably not be practical.  Anywas at 10 feet with a building at 25 stories, that would yield an absolute minimum height of 250 feet.  However, one would not expect the ground floor with a lobby to have the same height as a floor with just rooms.  So, I decided to double the height.  That would make it 260 feet.  On the roof, the elevator overrun, stair connection to the roof and any mechanical would put another floor up there.  That would make the height 270 feet.  I added five feet for extra mechanical equipment on the roof or other amenity floors that might require more height than a standard room floor.  That's how I came up with 275 feet.   If the building had 9 feet floor to floor heights on the same premise, the building would be about 245 feet high. 



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:03 PM

So by using Mr. Roberts Architceture in Fort Worth Tallest buildings as a guide. At minimum it will about be as tall as two city place. And at Maximum 500West 7th. Give or take a foot. I think that is a good height for a thin building.



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:09 PM

Here is how I came up with a 275' height for a 25 story hotel.  Yes, hotels have shorter floor to floor heights than office buildings.  I was assuming 10 feet from floor to floor.  It could be as little as 9 feet.  Anything less than that would probably not be practical.  Anywas at 10 feet with a building at 25 stories, that would yield an absolute minimum height of 250 feet.  However, one would not expect the ground floor with a lobby to have the same height as a floor with just rooms.  So, I decided to double the height.  That would make it 260 feet.  On the roof, the elevator overrun, stair connection to the roof and any mechanical would put another floor up there.  That would make the height 270 feet.  I added five feet for extra mechanical equipment on the roof or other amenity floors that might require more height than a standard room floor.  That's how I came up with 275 feet.   If the building had 9 feet floor to floor heights on the same premise, the building would be about 245 feet high. 

 

Using the Omni Hotel as a plausible measure,  I think your estimate for the height of the hotel is too short.

 

 The Omni Hotel is 447ft/33+1 story = 13.55 + 10-12 ft maintenance

 

 25-story RIH@8:  25 x 13.55 + 10ft = 348.75 ft

 

The hotel could top out at 349ft



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:41 PM

It could be that it is too short.  I was trying to hit a middle point.  One thing you are not taking into consideration is that the Omni is a full service hotel with ballrooms, meeting rooms, and a lot of space that this Residence Inn will not have.  The lower three floors are these types of assembly spaces and the floor to floor height is quite tall.  The proposed 15 story AC Hotel at 5th and Main is supposed to be 167'-6" tall.  It has the lower two floors at 18' each, the upper two floors at 13'-6" each and the main floors at 9'-6" each. 



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:44 PM

The Omni isn't the best building to use as a reference. The floor to ceiling height of the condos above the hotel portion of the building is significantly more than the lower floors:

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:59 PM

Yes, it is and I tried to compensate for that.  But I do think that the Omni is a recently built hotel and is a proper comparison.

 How do you know that there is a significant ceiling height difference between the hotel portion and the condo portion of the building?

 

Lets use 447-15 or 432ft  for the Omni....432/33 = 13.09

13.09 x 25 = 327.27ft

 

Either way, the estimated height of RIH@8 should easily exceed 300 ft at a minimum.



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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:11 PM

You can see the height difference in the pic above. It's especially noticeable when you compare the balconies on the right side.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:42 PM

Austin, Texas

 

W Hotel Austin  467ft/37  = 12.621 ch/flr                              RIH@8   25 @ 12.621 = 315.5ft

Hilton Hotel Austin 377ft/31 = 12.161 ch/flr                          RIH@8   25 @ 12.161 = 304.0ft

 

Also, in the rendering post#74, RIH@8 is juxtaposed to the Electric Building( 229ft) and the optic suggests that it will be 1.33 percent taller than the Electric Building which would make RIH@8 about 304.5ft or RIH@8 could be as much as 1.5 percent taller than the Electric Building which would then make RIH@8 about 344.5ft.

 

I think we can reasonably project RIH@8 to exceed 300ft  plus in total height.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 12:08 PM

The article [Fort Worth Texas Magazine] posted here puzzles me in that it fails to mention the planned Residential Inn by Marriott tower, 8th and Houston.

 

 

..... Top that with the fact that it has gone before the design review board and I would say it isn't mentioned because it isn't really official yet.  Just a guess.

 

 

Chatting with employees at Four Star. Said everyone supposed to be out of Century Plaza by year end, building will be torn down.

 

 Is the shuttering of businesses in Century Plaza still happening by the end of this year?



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:09 PM

I would say this project is not "official", yet.  Here's my reasoning.  It has not gone before the Downtown Design Review Board like 901 Commerce and the AC Hotel (twice).  JBB, I think you need to correct your post.  I was sent this month's DDRB agenda and it is not on there for December.  Another factor involved here is that new leasing signs have been put up on the building fairly recently, so I'm not real sure it is going to be demolished. 



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

Yeah I meant has not.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:26 PM

It is still owned by Mland lodging, the same folks who converted Park Place to the Fairmount. I think this is still in the works, just probably getting their financial ducks in line or something. 







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