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#51 Volare

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 07:55 AM

...  In his column, he mentions DFW International Airport.  How many times have I heard news reporters and commentators refer to "Dallas" as the airport name.  I believe there's a Fort Worth in there, somewhere.

 

Oh the flight crews do it on the PA system too. "Welcome to Dallas." Drives me crazy. At my former airline when we flew into MSP, we had specific guidance in our manuals to refer to it as "Minneapolis/St. Paul International."

 

These days, whenever I'm overhead, I make a point to tell the passengers that they are passing over my hometown of Fort Worth on our way to wherever...



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:24 AM

In his S-T column, Bud Kennedy has an interesting take on the "North Texas" logo (versus "Dallas-Fort Worth") in sports and other major events.....

I would agree with Mr. Kennedy, if people elsewhere would actually refer to our area as "Dallas-Fort Worth" instead of "Dallas."

 

I agree with your take much more than with Mr. Kennedy's.

 

Dallas has become a brand with a double-sided edge.  My feelings are that Dallas is associated with more than most cities as having money and sex,  both are powerful attractions; and it is also associated with hate and intolerance, which are powerful attractions too.  For reasons beyond my explanations or expertise, these attractions sell to "outsiders".

 

Fortunately, Fort Worth has largely escaped that branding but could be and is likely already being affected by this perception whenever it is branded along with Dallas;  and nothing so illustrates this as often as is the case when DFW is routinely shortened by dropping FW from the equation.

 

After further reflection, the North Texas Brand provides the region with a fresh start and the recent successes of major events held in the region using the NT brand demonstrates that it may be the better brand for the region going forward than DFW from the perspectives of Fort Worth and Arlington.

 

Keep Fort Worth folksy.



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:27 AM

"Estately", a real estate website, ranked Fort Worth as the most "Country" city in the US based on a poll of Facebook users who liked CW music, fishing, hunting, NASCAR, guns, BBQ, cowboy boots, rodeo, pickup trucks and sweet tea… is this a good thing?

 

http://www.star-tele...es-default?rh=1



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:32 AM

CBS Evening News broadcasts live from TCU as part of the 10th annual Schieffer Symposium on the News: This IS a good thing!

 

http://www.star-tele...adlines-default



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Posted 10 April 2014 - 10:06 AM

CBS Evening News broadcasts live from TCU as part of the 10th annual Schieffer Symposium on the News: This IS a good thing!

 

http://www.star-tele...adlines-default

I saw the newscast.  Nice opening and closing shots of downtown Fort Worth.  No feature story on our city, but maybe that wasn't appropriate in light of the TCU event.

 

Regarding the most "Country" city, this wasn't terribly upsetting to me as a "citified" Fort Worthian.  I proudly wear my black cowboy boots and hat whenever the occasion fits. 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 04:23 PM

CBS 11 just did a story about Dallas high profile. 2016 Republican convention. 2026 Olympics. However at 6:00 tonight they said they will do segment on how Fort Worth is trying to get National and International attention. So check out and see what they are talking about ? 



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Posted 10 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

Oh, dear.

 

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Posted 10 June 2014 - 07:30 PM

CBS 11 just did a story about Dallas high profile. 2016 Republican convention. 2026 Olympics. However at 6:00 tonight they said they will do segment on how Fort Worth is trying to get National and International attention. So check out and see what they are talking about ? 

 

What did they say? I missed that.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:30 AM

USA Today: http://www.usatoday....p-city/9962451/



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

Nice one, Volare

I LOVE articles like that one.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 06:19 PM

Well, at least USAToday has the good sense to print a positive story about Fort Worth after it openly mocked the city during the NCAA 2014 Finals held in North Texas.   Still, I feel like I will not be reading their papers anymore.

 

April 2014:http://ftw.usatoday....tournament-what



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:11 PM

I like the most recent article about FW but you are right that final four article was a slap in the face to say the least...

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 02:27 PM

The Weekly's reply to the USA Today article... Escalates quickly!

 

http://www.fwweekly....-for-usa-today/



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 03:09 PM

I dont believe that there will be room in [Fort Worths] Culture and Tourism Fund for anything but the new arena

But if that arena gets built it ought to bring in a big profit for the arts.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 03:39 PM

They should also send some of that money to the preservation organizations, since preservation is art, so is architecture.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 04:28 PM

I dont believe that there will be room in [Fort Worths] Culture and Tourism Fund for anything but the new arena

But if that arena gets built it ought to bring in a big profit for the arts.

 

Or rather, a big profit for the Bass family.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:35 PM

Getting back to the FW Weekly retort to the USA Today article:  Seems to me both writers overlooked the fact that "cow town" has been the home of military defense contractors and aviation bases for 60 years or more.  And, while I applaud the arts-and-culture emphasis of the Weekly article, it left out the fact that Fort Worth hosts several well-known museums, including the Kimbell, Amon Carter, and the Modern Museum of Art. 



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:42 PM

Not related to the USA today article, but ESPN's world cup "I believe that we will win" commercial has a quick Fort Worth relevant shot 7 seconds in. 

 



Wonder what jersey that is?



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:28 PM

AO Fort Worth?



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:46 PM

I'd didn't know what that meant. Seems to be a rabid group of soccer fans. Cool, didn't know we had one.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:24 AM

Getting back to the FW Weekly retort to the USA Today article:  Seems to me both writers overlooked the fact that "cow town" has been the home of military defense contractors and aviation bases for 60 years or more.  And, while I applaud the arts-and-culture emphasis of the Weekly article, it left out the fact that Fort Worth hosts several well-known museums, including the Kimbell, Amon Carter, and the Modern Museum of Art. 

 

Probably because in 99.99999999787356% of all articles about the "culture" of Fort Worth, the Kimbell, Carter, and Modern are the ONLY things talked about (maybe alongside Bass Hall).  I have my issues with the Weekly but I applaud them for at least attempting to get the word out about things that *aren't* the big three museums.


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:55 AM

I know that.  But does USA Today know that?  My comment was focused on the fact that USA Today seems to believe Fort Worth is nothing but cows and agriculture.  So if FW Weekly is to instruct them, otherwise, about arts and culture, the Weekly article should have been more thorough about it.



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Posted 19 June 2014 - 09:11 PM

Jimmy Buffet and his Coral Reefer Band are belting out familiar tunes right now from the Movie drive in parking lot next to LaGrave Field. I can hear them very well from my back yard on the west side of Samuels Avenue. Unfortunately, I'm not much of a parrot-head but I believe this concert is being simulcast in a number of other drive-in theater venues? Wondering to myself if that counts as "national exposure" for Fort Worth? Jimmy did mention Fort Worth more than a few times between songs. I could envision if a casino were ever allowed by the shores of the Trinity Town Lake as well as concert venues, and a riverwalk type of environment, it could be very beneficial to downtown and perhaps to Fort Worth's national image. But an aging Rocker with an equally aging following is hardly the stuff of dreams for Fort Worth. We need more and better to truly put Fort Worth in the national media spotlight.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:59 AM

I can speak from personal experience that it is very difficult to get larger (or even a lot of lower-level) musical acts to come to Fort Worth (speaking in terms of indie rock/pop/etc., which is my domain).  I see time and again that the vast majority of bands I'm a fan of will only ever consider Dallas or Denton as stops in the D/FW area before moving on to Austin, San Antonio, and Houston or north to Oklahoma City, Norman, Lawrence KS, etc.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:30 AM

I can speak from personal experience that it is very difficult to get larger (or even a lot of lower-level) musical acts to come to Fort Worth (speaking in terms of indie rock/pop/etc., which is my domain).  I see time and again that the vast majority of bands I'm a fan of will only ever consider Dallas or Denton as stops in the D/FW area before moving on to Austin, San Antonio, and Houston or north to Oklahoma City, Norman, Lawrence KS, etc.


I'm really curious to hear what you think might be some of the underlying issues causing that to happen - and what, if anything, could be done to improve the situation.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:26 AM

 

I can speak from personal experience that it is very difficult to get larger (or even a lot of lower-level) musical acts to come to Fort Worth (speaking in terms of indie rock/pop/etc., which is my domain).  I see time and again that the vast majority of bands I'm a fan of will only ever consider Dallas or Denton as stops in the D/FW area before moving on to Austin, San Antonio, and Houston or north to Oklahoma City, Norman, Lawrence KS, etc.


I'm really curious to hear what you think might be some of the underlying issues causing that to happen - and what, if anything, could be done to improve the situation.

 

 

 

I figure it's complicated.

 

For one, compared to Dallas, Fort Worth has a kind of odd staggering of venue sizes.  We have some small and medium-sized places (The Grotto, Lola's, Magnolia Motor Lounge, Shipping & Receiving, Wherehouse etc.), but a fairly significant gap between those places and Bass Performance Hall.  We have nothing (or at least very little) comparable in terms of size or draw to places like the Granada, the Kessler, the Texas, the Loft, etc. and the smaller/medium Dallas venues (Dada, Prophet Bar, Three Links, Crown & Harp, Trees, Sundown, City Tavern, etc. etc. etc.) all seem to be able to pull down bigger acts on a regular basis.  Queen City Music Hall in Sundance Square hasn't seemed to pan out in that regard like a lot of people hoped it would.  The Ridglea is a black hole for the foreseeable future.  Etc.

 

Compared to Denton, Fort Worth is more in line - Denton doesn't have a lot beyond small and medium venues, either.  Their small and medium venues, though, all seem to have more of a draw, more cachet, for touring bands - I've often found myself heading to Dan's Silverleaf and Rubber Gloves especially to catch indie bands who are skipping FW in their north Texas run.  (I'll be doing it again next month, in fact, to see a band coming to town from New York, who are going to Denton exclusively in their regional stop.  Their tour schedule is instructive in describing how Fort Worth isn't even on most bands' radars:  Brighton (MA), New York City, New Brunswick (NJ), Baltimore, Charlotte, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Pembroke Pines (FL), Tampa, Orlando, New Orleans, Houston, Austin, Denton, Oklahoma City, St. Louis, Chicago, Grand Rapids, Toronto, Rochester (NY), Pittsburgh, Philly.)

 

Booking companies might be part of it - Dallas and Denton have a bigger variety of booking agents.  The Artist Collective, Tentacles, Parade of Flesh, and more mainly book in Dallas and Denton.  Fort Worth is primarily all Blackbox, with Spune handling a lot of the festivals in FW and Dallas.  With more variety comes more hooks into different bands and scenes, perhaps.

 

Denton has a national reputation among indie musicians as a cool college/smaller town, like Lawrence, Boulder, Olympia, that sort of thing.  Dallas has a reputation of being big and important and of having a large concentration of venues and such, and of having the legend and reality of Deep Ellum.  FW is, well, Cowboys & Culture™ and Billy Bob's, which isn't fair, but that's definitely a perception.  (Texas bands seem to have a better view of FW than national bands.)

 

I also feel like "regular folks" in Fort Worth don't go to shows as often as people in other cities do, apart from something like Friday on the Green (which hasn't tried to get non-local bands in ages) or stuff at Panther Island Pavilion.  (Part of it may be that a lot of FWians don't even know we *have* a music scene apart from Billy Bob's and Bass Hall - the city does NOTHING to promote anything apart from those sort of places.)

 

I also genuinely feel like Fort Worth's assortment of better venues are not concentrated in any particular way and this impacts the perception of the city - the closest to a real concentration being around 7th Street, but that's primarily the big three venues over there - The Grotto, Lola's, and Magnolia Motor Lounge (which skews more Americana anyway, not so much indie).  Even then, they're not *that* close to each other and the area isn't consistently walkable.  Shipping & Receiving is off South Main and there's not much new development over there yet, the Wherehouse is off in another universe on Hemphill, Queen City is buried in the Lone Star building under Sundance Square, etc. etc. None of that is a judgement call on any of those venues, but there is definitely not a feeling of "being there" in a place where there could be amazing music happening around any corner, like one gets in Dallas in places like Greenville and Deep Ellum (which, despite its rocky past, is still a fantastic music district and is definitely back on the upswing), in Austin in places like South Congress and the inner east side, in Denton around the square, etc.  Just in a brief stroll around Deep Ellum alone, you'll pass by Dada, Trees, Three Links, Prophet Bar, The Boiler Room, The Free Man, Sons of Hermann Hall, The Green Room, Liquid Lounge, AllGood Cafe, Double Wide, and more, all full of people, with people spilling onto the sidewalks around them, music of as many different genres as there are venues blasting from each.  Even if you're only into one or two of the venues and their respective scenes/genres, it's still a totally thrilling experience for a music fan to be in that space.  Ditto with Denton and the square - there's a rock show in the basement of this pizza place next to a band performing at Andy's next to a guy with a guitar and a musical saw standing on the courthouse lawn next to a band on the roof of that new burger place next to a show at Hailey's next to an accordion jam at Banter just a block or two down from shows at Dan's and Rubber Gloves, etc.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

Next question, how do we atttact those larver venues, and bands to support them? And getting the word out to regular folks of the existing scene?

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:43 AM

Thanks for the breakdown of the issues. It really does look like a complicated situation - perhaps even more complicated than many other similar cities face.
 

I think that one of the more tricky aspects of all of this, which you touched on, is the issue of perception and promotion. Now, I feel like the approach you take to improve perceptions and generally promote what Fort Worth currently has is a quite a bit more straightforward when you are talking only about those outside of the city/region - it's "just" the uphill battle of getting people to realize that there is much more to Fort Worth's music and arts scene than what we lead off with to the conventioneers (i.e. Cowboys and Culture) and getting them to recognize that there is a healthy, growing and creative music scene in Fort Worth that is eager to bring in more venues, more bands and more music lovers. Now that's challenging and will take a lot of time and effort, but it is a challenge that is at least somewhat straightforward.

 

The much trickier part of the equation, from my perspective, is how to go about improving local perceptions and engaging in better promotion of Fort Worth's music scene locally. It is tricky, because as we know all too well, Fort Worthians are very skeptical, suspicious and resistant to any perceived effort to transform Fort Worth into something it is not. And I don't think that, on the whole, that is necessarily a bad thing; when things are working well, you get a relatively self-assured and patient community that has a strong sense of identity and is comfortable in its own skin and doesn't jump at every fad but honors its heritage and all of the diverse things that have come together to make it what it is (when it's not working well, you see instances of trying to knock down the Ridglea or bulldoze the last of the prairie, or replace the courthouse with four modernist boxes).

 

In other words, one of the easiest ways to turn people in Fort Worth away from something is to lead them to believe that you are trying to "turn it into Austin" or that you are envious of/trying to emulate Dallas or that you are some outsider trying to Californicate a quintessentially Texan city, or that you are going to overrun the place with a bunch of drunk liberal hipsters, etc. You can't really, in my opinion, present a compelling response to this challenge by using the same approach that you would use to promote Fort Worth's music scene outside of Fort Worth (it would only be taken as threatening). Instead, the key is that any effort to promote it internally/locally has to emphasize that "this is Fort Worth too," that you are not trying to replace or subvert what Fort Worth already is or has and that you are not trying to turn Fort Worth into Austin or Dallas or Portland... but, instead, that this is already an important part of who Fort Worth is and that, along with the Cowboys and the Culture, it is something that the city should be proud of and take ownership of. In other words, Fort Worth's music, film and indie arts scene has to be viewed and promoted as something that is authentically "Fort Worth" and that its very character is and always will be shaped by Fort Worth and that as it grows, it is going to grow into the "Fort Worth" scene (and not anybody else's). Now, what that looks like in the end, I have no idea. But it could actually help Fort Worth to set itself apart over the long run and create something that truly is all its own (which might then have more appeal to those outside the area as well).



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:02 PM

I've always thought FW would benefit greatly from a larger mid-size theater along the lines of Verizon in Grand Prairie. They seem to be able to attract a lot of national tours that are too small for the AAC, but too large for Bass Hall, AT&TPAC, Fair Park, etc. I've only seen one show there (the Lumineers with a couple of indie acts), but I fell in love with it. It's pretty large on the inside, but very intimate. I was disappointed that our seats were toward the back of the floor section, but we still felt like we were just feet away from the stage.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 01:28 PM

JBB, I've only been to the Verizon once, but it was a similarly good experience.  I saw Brian Wilson there when he brought the SMiLE album tour to town, and it was a great show and the venue worked really well.

 

RenaissanceMan - that is a very thoughtful, uh, thought.  Great point.  I don't claim to have many/any answers, but you're right, I could see the difficulties being *very* different between promoting to the outside and promoting within.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:11 PM

By the way, I think that that is one of the things that really rubbed me the wrong way about the USAToday article and even the FW Weekly article - the idea that a city's culture or identity is somehow a linear thing, and I see that a lot in the thinking on this on both sides. The thinking so often seems to be that as a city gains more Indie bands, that the number of Country bands is somehow reduced or that as a city puts more into developing its arts, that it has to leave behind its heritage or some other zero sum line of thinking. And, likewise, that the change is linear, such that we once didn't have any of this and now we do (as opposed to much of it being here all along, but just to a lesser degree or going unnoticed).

 

One of the sad things about Dallas that I hope Fort Worth is able to avoid over the long term (and this is something that feeds into a broader Dallas stereotype) is that as Dallas has been so eager (desperately at times) to convince people that it is not the Texas cliche that it fears everyone believes it to be, that it seems at times to actively campaign against and try to stamp out any remaining association with its heritage, like a kid who moves out of the house and changes his name because he's embarrassed of his parents or something (I dunno, it's getting late in the day and my coffee's wearing off).

 

I guess what I'm trying to say... (besides that dallas is a soulless pit of obnoxious pretentiousness, of course) is that I reject the notion that some people seem to have convinced themselves of that for a city to modernize or evolve or diversify or otherwise grow, that it has to leave behind all that it previously was and disassociate itself from anything tied to its past and, similarly, that a city can't be all that it is and was, and something more too. That last part seems to me to be the great experiment that is now before Fort Worth and may come to define the next two decades for the city.

 

Edit: Regarding that last bit... just wanted to point out that there are cities that do this quite well (even if they haven't at all times of their existence), and that they are some of the more iconic and genuine the world have to offer: Paris, London, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Buenos Aires (for the most part), Dublin, and several others that I could probably think of if I put a little more effort into it. Hopefully, one day Fort Worth could stand in that kind of a list without feeling out of place.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:19 PM

By the way, I think that that is one of the things that really rubbed me the wrong way about the USAToday article and even the FW Weekly article - the idea that a city's culture or identity is somehow a linear thing...

 

...or homogenous. What city of more than a few tens of thousands of people is populated by identical souls assimilated into one monolithic culture? This is lazy writing and lazy thinking, and it's persistent. Look at the population growth - much of it in-migration. There are a lot first- and second-generation Texans in the area; do people move here from all over and instantly become tobacco-chawing Lonesome Dove characters?

 

We've talked before about how some cities are able to embrace and promote their past without appearing to be stuck in it. I still have trouble telling how much Fort Worth oversells its cowboy roots and how often we're just oversensitive to it. The Western thing is still a draw for some and should certainly be part of the mix - but articles that paint a tintype picture that imply there's nothing more to see here - even when well-intentioned - make me cringe a bit.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:29 PM

I went to the Red Bull Air race out at TMS this weekend and it was pretty cool. Not just national, but international recognition out of it. It doesn't take place in a lot of major cities, but there are some on there. Abu Dhabi, Ascot UK, Only two pilots were from the US, the rest were Canadian, European, Australian or Japanese. The race will be or already has been broadcasted all over the world, and they were very clear that it was in Fort Worth. I hope that they might return in the future. 

 

 

The wbsite notes this about FW in it's description, 

 

 

 

Fort Worth is a destination redefined. The enormous geographic area includes the Dallas-Fort Worth counties, which transformed themselves from a sleepy cattle rearing territory, to a bustling metropolis. New and renovated hotel offerings, restaurants and exciting tourism attractions are enhancing the City's reputation as one of the premier travel destinations in the nation.


Here's the schedule. http://www.redbullai...n_US/tour-stops. It will air on Fox Sports 1 on Sept 15th, at 7:30. I'm curious to see how it will be presented. 



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 11:13 AM

As Bing Crosby would say, "There's noooo doubt about it!"  Being  in Fort Worth, that is to say.

 

 

http://www.businessw...ce#.VA3jZJV0yM8



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:08 PM

I'm regretting not going to the air races. Looks real interesting.


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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:23 PM

Same here.  I fully intended on going, but work got in the way Saturday and I didn't want to pay the full price for only 2 hours of racing on Sunday.  



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:25 PM

I guess Saturday racing was curtailed by the weather. I kinda wish I had gone too. I once went to a real air race (like Reno, but in Kansas City) and it was awesome. This seems like something a bit different.



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:58 PM

Nah, went all day Saturday. The rain only cut off the end, and the winds kicking up before the storm made the racing a lot more interesting, lots of popped gates. It was a lot of fun.

 

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 06:21 AM

This is somewhat off the topic here.  But the air races reminded me that a few years ago there was talk of having rocket racing.  I'd love to see it, but rockets are obviously much faster than planes. Am afraid that sitting in the bleachers at TMS you'd get once glance at the rockets, blink your eyes, and they'd be gone!



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Posted 23 September 2014 - 10:16 AM

Fort Worth named 3rd Best Place to Live: Big City Bargain by Money.

 

http://time.com/mone...ns-best-places/

 

They specifically call out the Near Southside with Fairmount and Ryan Place and Ridglea Hills.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 03:02 PM

So what should we think or how should we feel?  I think it is time to have a discussion with this Plano, Texas based association.

 

http://go.dallasnews.../oct/02/244495/



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:41 PM

They're even selling shirts with the Fort Worth visitor logo over their Dallas skyline logo. :glare:

 

Took me forever to find an email on their website, but I finally did after clicking "sponsorship information" on the home page.

 

http://www.ntasha.org/


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Posted 27 April 2015 - 08:24 PM

After watching The Weather Channel the past few days, I have good news to report:

 

They have done a good job of referring to DFW as Dallas-Fort Worth instead of just Dallas.

 

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Well, that's when they're broadcasting the weather instead of a reality show. They were airing reality shows during last night's tornado outbreak.


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Posted 27 April 2015 - 09:36 PM

Fort Worth named 3rd Best Place to Live: Big City Bargain by Money.

 

http://time.com/mone...ns-best-places/

 

They specifically call out the Near Southside with Fairmount and Ryan Place and Ridglea Hills.

 

Bargain???

 

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 07:27 AM

It's all relative.  $400k, on the high end for Ryan Place or Ridglea Hills, would be a dream price for anyone coming from California or the East Coast.



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Posted 30 April 2015 - 10:51 AM

 

Fort Worth named 3rd Best Place to Live: Big City Bargain by Money.

 

http://time.com/mone...ns-best-places/

 

They specifically call out the Near Southside with Fairmount and Ryan Place and Ridglea Hills.

 

Bargain???

 

:roflol:

 

 

You may not see it that way, but Shaw-Clarke is part of the Near Southside, which to someone who rides through regularly from Sycamore School Road, seems to extend as far south as Seminary, or even I-20. 

 

It's all relative.  $400k, on the high end for Ryan Place or Ridglea Hills, would be a dream price for anyone coming from California or the East Coast.

 

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Posted 30 April 2015 - 02:04 PM

For what it's worth, technically, if going by the parameters of the Near Southside as defined by what Fort Worth South, Inc. administers (and the city's own Near Southside TIF), Shaw-Clarke is not part of the Near Southside.  The southern boundary is ragged, but it goes no further south than Arlington.  (None of Ryan Place is in the boundary, and only certain parts of Fairmount, but due to Fairmount's immediate and seamless adjacency and Ryan Place's seamless joining with no giant streets dividing it, makes it easy to think of as part of the Near Southside.)

 

In a more general sense, I personally find it hard to think of anything south of Berry as being in "the Near Southside" due to the distance and the psychological/physical barrier that is Berry.

 

(My own mental definition of "the Near Southside" is "what's south of 30 and an easy walk to Park Place, Magnolia, or South Main."  The name implies to me "the compact walkable area immediately south of downtown" and stretching it to Seminary or I-20 is right out.  YMMV, of course - that's just me.)


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Posted 30 April 2015 - 06:36 PM

 

 

Fort Worth named 3rd Best Place to Live: Big City Bargain by Money.

 

http://time.com/mone...ns-best-places/

 

They specifically call out the Near Southside with Fairmount and Ryan Place and Ridglea Hills.

 

Bargain???

 

:roflol:

 

 

You may not see it that way, but Shaw-Clarke is part of the Near Southside, which to someone who rides through regularly from Sycamore School Road, seems to extend as far south as Seminary, or even I-20. 

 

It's all relative.  $400k, on the high end for Ryan Place or Ridglea Hills, would be a dream price for anyone coming from California or the East Coast.

 

Trufe.

 

 

 

I live in Shaw-Clarke!!!  We are not considered in this group of neighborhoods. It is a bargain here. But even though we are geographically close to the neighborhoods mentioned, we are not considered the same.  Most people have not heard of us.

 

Edit: I do appreciate that you consider us part of the fold.   :swg:

One day, if Berry ever gets a road diet, the Berry Street corridor will develop its own character and desirability (not unlike Magnolia), cohesiveness among all south neighborhoods between Downtown and I-20 will increase.  

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 08:02 AM

I live in Shaw-Clarke!!!  We are not considered in this group of neighborhoods. It is a bargain here. But even though we are geographically close to the neighborhoods mentioned, we are not considered the same.  Most people have not heard of us.
 
Edit: I do appreciate that you consider us part of the fold.   :swg:
One day, if Berry ever gets a road diet, the Berry Street corridor will develop its own character and desirability (not unlike Magnolia), cohesiveness among all south neighborhoods between Downtown and I-20 will increase.  
This is one of my biggest dreams, to tell the truth.


Yeah, I know live there, that was my point. There are the "hot" neighborhoods, but the surrounding area also have large swathes of homes have have character; they just haven't become fashionable yet. I think South Hemphill Heights, Shaw-Clarke, Rosemont, etc., will all come up in the coming years as people get priced out of Fairmount and Ryan Place.

There's already a big of positive change on Berry, although it is centered on TCU, but it seems like the TCU influence is creeping eastward.
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