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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:12 PM

The Chase Bank block might be a nice acquisition for Sundance's future endeavors.

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 12:22 AM

 
Also, the Chase drive-through bank across the way (between Weatherford and Belknap) has been closed for over a month.


I noticed.

Where to go with that?

- new jail
- more condos/apartments
- TCC space

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 09:39 PM

The Chase Bank block might be a nice acquisition for Sundance's future endeavors.

 

 

 

 
Also, the Chase drive-through bank across the way (between Weatherford and Belknap) has been closed for over a month.


I noticed.

Where to go with that?

- new jail
- more condos/apartments
- TCC space

 

 

"A looming hotel with condos". :swg:



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Posted 09 March 2017 - 10:44 PM

Here's the Chase site listing

 

The description 

 

 

Weitzman has been exclusively engaged to sell the former Chase Motor Bank facility, a prime redevelopment site in downtown Fort Worth, Texas. The property makes up a full block, with streets on all four sides of the property. This includes the major arteries of E Weatherford and Belknap, each a one-way street. The site is within the extended foot print of Sundance Square, Fort Worth’s popular and bustling historic district. The location is a prime redevelopment opportunity for high-rise development, including potential office, multi-family, hotel, retail, civic or parking uses.



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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:01 AM

The listing says it was an opportunity for high-rise development.  I know you all don't like height limitations, but I thought that there was a Courthouse view corridor along those blocks to the east between Weatherford and Belknap Streets.  Or did the Civil Courts Building already violate that restriction?



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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:23 PM

If they put a highrise on that block, it will most likely block what little downtown view I have at Lincoln Trinity.



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Posted 11 March 2017 - 03:50 PM

If they put a highrise on that block, it will most likely block what little downtown view I have at Lincoln Trinity.


Unfortunately that happens quite a bit in dense urban areas and especially ones that are growing wildly. I had a friend in SF who had a great view of the bay, the bay bridge and the Giants ballpark until they starting building new towers; now he has a sliver of a view of the bay and bridge.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 04:51 PM

I don't think a building over 6 or 7 floors would be appropriate for that site. Something decently in scale with the courthouse and Civil Courthouse.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 10:03 AM

If they put a highrise on that block, it will most likely block what little downtown view I have at Lincoln Trinity.

 

A harmful, creeping "not in my vista" syndrome which was most recently on display in the Cultural District v. Museum Place row and which could have blocked an important vastly needed hotel in the Cultural District.

 

If the argument is that an institution or an individual has a right to see or be seen, then virtually all highrise development can be targeted as obtrusive. Just look at Uptown Dallas and the forest of high rise residential and office towers whose views of traditional downtown Dallas have been blocked by subsequent towers.



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Posted 12 March 2017 - 11:20 AM

 

If they put a highrise on that block, it will most likely block what little downtown view I have at Lincoln Trinity.

 

A harmful, creeping "not in my vista" syndrome which was most recently on display in the Cultural District v. Museum Place row and which could have blocked an important vastly needed hotel in the Cultural District.

 

If the argument is that an institution or an individual has a right to see or be seen, then virtually all highrise development can be targeted as obtrusive. Just look at Uptown Dallas and the forest of high rise residential and office towers whose views of traditional downtown Dallas have been blocked by subsequent towers.

 

 

I personally won't protest any building that blocks my view. I understand that that is the way of urban progress.  I'll just live with it or move.



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Posted 12 March 2017 - 12:41 PM

If they put a highrise on that block, it will most likely block what little downtown view I have at Lincoln Trinity.

 
A harmful, creeping "not in my vista" syndrome which was most recently on display in the Cultural District v. Museum Place row and which could have blocked an important vastly needed hotel in the Cultural District.
 
If the argument is that an institution or an individual has a right to see or be seen, then virtually all highrise development can be targeted as obtrusive. Just look at Uptown Dallas and the forest of high rise residential and office towers whose views of traditional downtown Dallas have been blocked by subsequent towers.
 
I personally won't protest any building that blocks my view. I understand that that is the way of urban progress.  I'll just live with it or move.

Well maybe it will be a really nice building and then your view could actually be improved. ;-)

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:02 PM

If it wasn't for the Bass Towers being just a couple blocks away from the Courthouse already, I would have a problem with it.

That being said I do think a max height of any building that replaces it should go no higher than 8 floors. Just my take.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 09:27 PM

If it wasn't for the Bass Towers being just a couple blocks away from the Courthouse already, I would have a problem with it.....That being said I do think a max height of any building that replaces it should go no higher than 8 floors. Just my take.

 

To parrot a phrase "boggles the mind", I do not understand the concerns or hesitance for constructing a high rise tower on this block.  Further more, parroting the stipulation that a developer, were he or she acting in a rational manner, would seek to maximize the results of its project, with costs being a factor, so that building taller on the site would yield more return.

 

If the Courthouse view is a concern, then the view from the west has already been removed.  The most important views, IMO, come from seeing the Courthouse from approaches on Main Street.

 

Frequently on the Forum, comparisons are made of Dallas and Fort Worth.  That being said, one wonders what is the take to  Old Red: BOA?



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:54 AM

As someone who loves skyscapers. And if I had a say in it I would build the tallest building in the world in Fort Worth. But even I am concerned about the height. Thanks to channel 5 showing the new view from Samuels. And even FOX network shows Fort Worth and the Courthouse when talking with Fort Worth guest. For better or worse the Courthouse is our iconic view. Just as Reunion Tower and Hyatt hotel is for Dallas. I think even a building any taller than 2 stories in the north end area, would start to take your eye away this view. And that is saying a lot from me.

 

I know the TRV has height restrictions. That I also support. With the exception I would build skyscrapers on the very north end of TRV . To bookend Downtown and the TRV. And have the courthouse sit in its stately glory overlooking the area. Well that's my opinion anyway.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 10:16 AM

Save the skyscrapers for between Weatherford, Forest Park, I30 & Grove.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:58 AM

Just driving in on 121 this morning and casually observing, I would say the Vandegriff building has left little courthouse view to preserve from the east.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 12:39 PM

... I think even a building any taller than 2 stories in the north end area, would start to take your eye away this view. And that is saying a lot from me...

 And have the courthouse sit in its stately glory overlooking the area. Well that's my opinion anyway.

 

Until very recently, there was not a view of the Courthouse from the west. Do we forget the recently demolished Civil Courts Building?  And the east, it has been said is blocked by the new Civil Courts Building.

 

Anyway, I argue that the iconic views of the Courthouse are and remain the viewpoints taken from either sections of Main Street.  You would not argue that the backdrop of high rises juxtapose against the Courthouse from North Main seriously distract from the Courthouse as you approach it, would you?



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 05:21 PM

 

If it wasn't for the Bass Towers being just a couple blocks away from the Courthouse already, I would have a problem with it.....That being said I do think a max height of any building that replaces it should go no higher than 8 floors. Just my take.

 

To parrot a phrase "boggles the mind", I do not understand the concerns or hesitance for constructing a high rise tower on this block.  Further more, parroting the stipulation that a developer, were he or she acting in a rational manner, would seek to maximize the results of its project, with costs being a factor, so that building taller on the site would yield more return.

 

If the Courthouse view is a concern, then the view from the west has already been removed.  The most important views, IMO, come from seeing the Courthouse from approaches on Main Street.

 

Frequently on the Forum, comparisons are made of Dallas and Fort Worth.  That being said, one wonders what is the take to  Old Red: BOA?

 

 

I said what I said because of the thought of people (mostly historians) saw that area as a sort of "unwritten height restriction" for that area around the Courthouse, which is exactly why I typed what was in the first sentence of my reply. 

I personally think an 8 story building is fine for that row of buildings on Weatherford and Belknap, but that's just personal opinion. I'm NOT saying DON'T build anything taller than that... 


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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:00 PM

I said what I said because of the thought of people (mostly historians) saw that area as a sort of "unwritten height restriction" for that area around the Courthouse, which is exactly why I typed what was in the first sentence of my reply....

 

 I appreciate your viewpoint; it is commendable. There are over 200+ courthouses in Texas; and our Courthouse is considered one of the top 20 or even top 10 courthouses in the state.  I feel that it is just the right size to be appreciated best on the grounds that it sit upon; not necessarily from a distance, but close up. 

 

 But the "unwritten height restriction" rule for that area around the Courthouse was discarded when Sundance Tower One was constructed in the 80's.  ST1 is actually closer to the Courthouse than would be a future tower built on the site of the closed motor bank building.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:16 PM

I think the biggest violator of the Courthouse View Corridor has been Tarrant County.  You shouldn't completely halt all new high rise construction requiring every view to be preserved.  I think the important ones were the approaches along Belknap and Weatherford Streets. 

 

Although Austin now has a great skyline, I think they should have done more to preserve some of those "special" views of the State Capitol Building.  Now, it is lost and if you don't look for it, you are not aware that Austin is a capitol.  By the way, I do like the way Washington, D.C. has not allowed any high rises.  This makes the monumental buildings really special.



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:18 PM

I said what I said because of the thought of people (mostly historians) saw that area as a sort of "unwritten height restriction" for that area around the Courthouse, which is exactly why I typed what was in the first sentence of my reply....

 
 
 
 But the "unwritten height restriction" rule for that area around the Courthouse was discarded when Sundance Tower One was constructed in the 80's.  ST1 is actually closer to the Courthouse than would a future tower built on the site of the closed motor bank building.
That's basically what the first sentence in the previous post before was saying...

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:16 PM

 

... I think even a building any taller than 2 stories in the north end area, would start to take your eye away this view. And that is saying a lot from me...

 And have the courthouse sit in its stately glory overlooking the area. Well that's my opinion anyway.

 

Until very recently, there was not a view of the Courthouse from the west. Do we forget the recently demolished Civil Courts Building?  And the east, it has been said is blocked by the new Civil Courts Building.

 

Anyway, I argue that the iconic views of the Courthouse are and remain the viewpoints taken from either sections of Main Street.  You would not argue that the backdrop of high rises juxtapose against the Courthouse from North Main seriously distract from the Courthouse as you approach it, would you?

 

 

No. But any building along Weatherford Belknap would. Who said I was happy with the height of the new civil courts building ? As I said before. I love Tall Mid and Short buildings. AND open spaces ! In other words a good healthy mix.  Kudos to Dallas for Klyde Warren Park. Perfect example of a urban park open space surrounded by tall buildings. I just love the feel of that area. But this is not even a park. Good that we got rid of the Courthouse annex. That was a step forward. Then we take a steps backward with tall building along Weatherford and Belknap.



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Posted 14 March 2017 - 12:31 PM

It's fun to conjecture, and this is the place for it.  But has Chase offered for sale either of its "fringe" downtown locations?  In addition to the site off Weatherford Street there are the unoccupied buildings at Texas and Cherry Streets.

 

Regarding height restrictions, as I've stated elsewhere, Texas courts do not seem willing to accept a common law right to property owners regarding unobstructed views.  Of course, building height restrictions are approved by governing bodies based largely on political will and popular acceptance.



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Posted 14 March 2017 - 01:12 PM

I think the biggest violator of the Courthouse View Corridor has been Tarrant County.... I think the important ones were the approaches along Belknap and Weatherford Streets.

 

 Agreed. The biggest violators of the Courthouse in general have been TCGovernment & TCCollege.  Exhibit #1 - 100 East Weatherford; Exhibit #2 - TCC Bluff Campus.

 

I continue to rank the most important approaches to the Courthouse to be "Red Brick Main Street" and "Trinity Viaduct Main Street". 



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Posted 14 March 2017 - 02:30 PM

But has Chase offered for sale either of its "fringe" downtown locations?  In addition to the site off Weatherford Street there are the unoccupied buildings at Texas and Cherry Streets.


The Texas and Cherry location has been on the market for years and was once rumored as the site of a new garage.

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 01:15 PM

Looks like the drive through bank is off the market.



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Posted 09 May 2017 - 05:45 PM

Looks like the drive through bank is off the market.


Oh...?

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:18 PM

Just curious, is there a separate message thread on the recently re-announced Carleton Properties apartments project titled "Rocklyn" in the 600 block of Samuels Avenue? The prior project was announced in October 2013 but was ultimately cancelled or shelved a year or two ago. An informal neighborhood meeting with a Carleton representative a couple of weeks ago revealed a new design with more units planned than were in the previous project. The ground breaking is supposed to happen by September with completion coinciding around the same time as the Embrey Development project (variously called The Garvey House Apartments; The Kelley, and The Domain)  which begins at 761 Samuels and continues to the 900 block on the west side of Samuels.  I will be happy to scan and send or try to upload the "Rocklyn" conceptual drawing if it hasn't already been linked to. When asked why the name "Rocklyn" was selected for the project the Carelton official said it was based on the "Rock Island" name (part of the neighborhood has been informally called Rock Island for decades because of the former Rock Island railroad tracks that run through the neighborhood. However, I'm not sure the west side of the 600 block of Samuels was ever considered part of the traditional Rock Island area. Still, I'm Ok with the new name and I like the new design better than the cancelled version from 2013.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:39 AM

I noticed the Chase drive through bank lot has barricades at all of the entrances now. Maybe they've been there for awhile and I'm just now seeing them?

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:50 AM

I noticed the Chase drive through bank lot has barricades at all of the entrances now. Maybe they've been there for awhile and I'm just now seeing them?

 

I don't see it listed for sale on the sellers website anymore. Don't see any demo permits for the address either though. (401 E Weatherford)



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:08 PM

The barricades have been there for about a month. Maybe they put them up so people would stop parking there for free.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:04 PM

The county paid a fortune for the lot with plans to demolish the bank and replace it with surface parking:

http://www.star-tele...e173308916.html

If the rumor about it being used for juror parking is true, then I would suspect a garage is in the works.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:22 PM

The county paid a fortune for the lot with plans to demolish the bank and replace it with surface parking:

http://www.star-tele...e173308916.html

If the rumor about it being used for juror parking is true, then I would suspect a garage is in the works.

 

Wow! More car love...that's maddening.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:22 PM

Boo, that's not very exciting. But I suppose it may be needed there.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:48 PM

Bummer.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:50 PM

The Fort Worth Business Press says the County will use the block for office and parking garage space.

 

http://www.fortworth...c8861eed90.html



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:24 PM

I guess that's better than surface parking.Hopefully it can be done somewhat attractively. Office space on the ground floor is better than parking on the ground floor to. Seems weird they'd only need a single floor but I'm sure we'll learn more soon. 

 

County is spending a fortune on this.







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