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#1 Austin55

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

Looking at the original renderings for the City Place made me wonder more about how renderings looked for some of the other built or unbuilt buildings in the city. I spent a little bit browsing the web searching for some things and compiled some of them.

 

Some in particular I'm wondering if anyone has or knows of existing,

-Bass Hall

-777 Main

-Convention Center

-Sundance east/Bank One building

-Radioshack HQ

-TRTCC Campus

-Burnett Plaza

-Water Gardens

-Banc One tower

-Landmark Tower

-Really anything. Especcially highrises.

 

 

Here are some I have

 

City Place renovation earlier version

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(there are more on the page on this website :) )

 

 

State National Bank building

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Flatiron(s) in Museum place

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The Carnagie

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The Tower renovation

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Old Schwarz rendering of Sundance and the rest of downtown

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New Jail

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Pier 1

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Heide park. Also curious to know more about this. It looks wicked cool.

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Bass Towers

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Ok, I have to know more about this one....

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ANother super interesting one, of a carless downtown

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I left a few out on purpose for others to post some of their own (block TU, the Ruins, Jeriat that's for you :P)



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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:04 AM

The original Tandy Center concept was to have at least 4 towers.



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Posted 22 December 2014 - 11:56 AM

^ I didn't notice that page being in the forums until now. 

 

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UPR Plaza as posted on the FW memories page.

 

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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:34 PM

I'm kinda glad those two extra Tandy Center buildings DIDN'T happen... 


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Posted 03 January 2015 - 11:54 PM

It's pretty interesting, the bit about the Worthington looking like Tandy's idea. 



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 12:04 AM

The Worthington was sort of Tandy's idea.  The master plan called for a hotel to be built on the site of the old Leonard's Department Store.  Part of the hotel was built there.  The original 20 story hotel is probably about the height that would have been needed to have the same sized hotel on one block, minus the ballrooms.  That plan saved the Stripling's Department Store building immediately to the east.  The way the Worthington came into being is that the Bass Family put up the Stripling's block for the hotel.  Eventually, the hotel took up three blocks.  Two were owned by Tandy, and the other owned by the Bass Family.  Even though the hotel turned out shorter, the facade does match the Tandy Center, and you can tell that it was a part of the master plan.



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 12:20 AM

It's interesting how much of a 180 turn the Bass family seemed to make between 1984's D.R. Horton tower, and 1991's Sundance West. Prior to 91, all of the downtown buildings they were building were pretty terrible from an urban standpoint (The City center towers and their two massive garages, the Worthington) DMSAS's blog mentions Schwarz and Bass meet in 1983, and the effect is obvious. 

 

I wonder what Sundance's masterplan would look like had David Schwarz never come into the picture. 



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 09:56 AM

I think the biggest reason in the change of direction is that Sid Bass was in charge when the Worthington, the two City Center towers, and the garages were built.  Ed took over things after his Caravan of Dreams was successful in 1983.  Sid's architect was Paul Rudolph.  Rudolph had designed his now former home in Westover Hills and the Sid Richardson Physical Sciences Building on the TCU Campus.  I think Bass had been involved with that building.  Sid Bass was also in charge of the initial two block restoration of Sundance Square, and he was running things when the Burk Burnett Building was restored.  The Jett (now Mural) Building was also in the collection at that time. 

 

Austin, I really do not know what Sundance's Master Plan would have looked like if Schwarz had not come into the picture.  Sid Bass might have stopped with the first two blocks of Sundance and the Burk Burnett Building.  I don't know.  We still would have probably had the plaza built, since that has been in the Downtown Master Plan since before 1983.  I'm sure we would have more parking lots than we do now.  However, if the Bass Family had not become such major players, we might have other buildings and project from different developers.  We also might have fewer restored historic buildings, as well.  Back then, and still today, most of our downtown buildings are not locally designated as local historic landmarks.



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:18 PM

I've also wondered why the Bass towers and Worthington were built so pedestrian unfriendly despite the family's efforts to revitalize downtown.


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:40 PM

Paul Rudolph has been known as a brutalist architect, yet the work that he did in downtown in the early 1980's was his most friendly to the pedestrian.



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:40 PM

Pedestrian friendly really wasn't en vogue at that time.



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 11:17 PM

JBB, that is true.



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 11:34 PM

Am I recalling correctly that there was to be a third City Center tower to? 



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 11:47 PM

There was talk at one time about a third tower.  It was supposed to be diagonally across from Tower II (D.R. Horton Tower).  Within no time, Garage 2 was built on that site.



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Posted 15 February 2015 - 11:41 PM

From the FRS design group

 

Ridglea Condo tower concept

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TCCJC

 

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 09:23 AM

From the FRS design group

 

Ridglea Condo tower concept

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 Time to clean the dust off the plans for this one; and even though it is an old design, it looks remarkably contemporary. It would be great if the project were to break ground after all this time.



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Posted 18 March 2015 - 08:44 PM

A few from DMSAS

 

Bass Hall

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Could've been Italian looking

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Bonus- AAC drawings

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 07:58 PM

From the FRS design group
 
Ridglea Condo tower concept
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 Time to clean the dust off the plans for this one; and even though it is an old design, it looks remarkably contemporary. It would be great if the project were to break ground after all this time.


Anyone know the story behind the condo proposal at ridglea when was that?

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 11:46 PM

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Oh, wow... 

Those are all beautiful, but they don't look like arenas. They look more like airport terminals or major train stations... something more transit oriented. 


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Posted 28 March 2015 - 08:54 AM

A few from DMSAS


Bonus- AAC drawings

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Imaging seeing a copy of Pioneer Tower in Victory Park. 

 

What bothers me, right or wrong, is DMSAS' repeated attempts to reconstruct WRMC Pioneer Tower in a number of their projects.  DMSAS has used Pioneer Tower in their projects in other cities and it would seem to me that having done so tends to have watered down the original which in itself is regarded as an iconic American piece of architecture. 

 

Again DMSAS is poised to reconstruct PT in the design of the new arena at WRMC. The nearby juxtaposition of the mini PT towers with the original which gives me pause; and since DMSAS will probably do the design of the Sundance's boutique hotel, the possibility of them reconstructing PT in the heart of downtown is a sobering thought.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 10:38 AM

I know that I'm going off topic, here.  Rename, you call the Will Rogers Pioneer Tower as an iconic American piece of Architecture.  It is not legally protected against demolition, except for a 180 day demolition delay.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 11:52 AM

I know that I'm going off topic, here.  Rename, you call the Will Rogers Pioneer Tower as an iconic American piece of Architecture.  It is not legally protected against demolition, except for a 180 day demolition delay.

 

I cannot vouch for the legitimacy of Progressive Blogs/Panethos.wordpress; however, in their blog is included Pioneer Tower among San Antonio's Alamo and a dozen other icon structures located in cities in North America. Yes. PT should be protected.

 

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https://panethos.wor...merican-cities/

 

https://www.google.c...5971%2F;428;640



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 12:58 PM

Rename, thanks for jogging my memory.  I now remember when that list was published.  I did not question your source.  My comment was to make that the building is not designated as a City of Fort Worth Landmark, and it could be demolished.  That's why it has been placed on Historic Fort Worth's Most Endangered List on a periodic basis. My comment has thrown the discussion off topic.



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Posted 28 March 2015 - 02:28 PM

Rename, thanks for jogging my memory.  I now remember when that list was published....

 

Knowing just how strongly you believe in preservation, I rarely if ever would second guess you because of your steadfast dedication to protect the historical treasures of Fort Worth.

 

It is a rather frightening thing to consider Fort Worth without the Pioneer Tower. I know in my own childhood, and likely, countless others, PT and the circus are inseparable.



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Posted 01 April 2015 - 08:49 PM

There was a garage planned for that site and the rendering has been re-posted here on the forum recently.

 

 

At one time, wasn't there a garage planned for the old Greyhound terminal site across 9th? Seems like I remember that and that there was some XTO involvement.

 

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 01:09 AM

Here's some waybacks thanks to the UTA library 

 

Medical Art's building, a design that evidently didn't come into fruition. 

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/41216

 

Hotel Texas

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/50063

 

CNB

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/13779

 

 

Fort Worth Club

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/14822

 

Unbuilt Moncreif Building, unsure of location?

 

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Trinity River Port?
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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/11137

 

 

Earlier Panther Island Plans?

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/11132
 

http://library.uta.e...tems/show/57825

 

 

Other options for Will Rogers?

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/12843

 

Chamber of Commerce, unbuilt?

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/57822

 

 

Trinity Turnpike Drawing

 

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/11063

 

A unique looking building called "Meachams" listed at 5th and Houston

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/41793

 

Unkown building at 6th and Main

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http://library.uta.e...tems/show/10096

 

FW Natl bank cutaway

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Posted 10 August 2016 - 08:37 PM

Austin, thanks for posting these old renderings.  I'm not going to comment on all of them because there are many.  However, I do have comments on a few.

 

The Fort Worth Club Tower:  I'm pleased to see that the architects actually opened up the parking garage more.  The rendering has more blank walls on the Taylor Street side than what was actually constructed. 

 

The W.A. Moncrief Jr. Building:  I think that was proposed for the south side of 8th Street between Main and Commerce.  It appears that Washer Brothers (demolished to build General Worth Square) is the building on the right.  It also looks as if the old Continental Trailways Bus Station is the building on the left.  If those two buildings are correct, then my guess on the location is also correct. 

 

Chamber of Commerce Building:  From the buildings in the background being the Star-Telegram and the Electric Building, it was proposed where Tarrant Savings built their HQ.  The old Tarrant Savings building became the Star-Telegram Classified Building, and it has since been demolished.  The Frost Tower is now rising on that site.

 

Meacham's Building:  If you searched the site, you would find this building on the northeast corner of 5th & Houston.  It was originally built in 1925 for Sanger Brothers Department Store.  They left in 1929 for a bigger building they built one block north.  From '29 until 1947, it was called the Transportation Building.  In 1947, Meacham's relocated from the old City National Bank building to this location.  The rendering was done to show the minor remodeling done to accommodate the store.  It's current name is the STS Tower and it will be fully restored to house support functions for the new Autograph Collection Hotel by Marriott in the Sinclair Building.

 

Unknown Building at 6th & Main:  I believe this was the original design for the Fort Worth Commercial Club building that was built in 1915.  The building was scaled back in design and was constructed on the northwest corner.  The final result is now the Ashton Hotel.



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Posted 19 August 2016 - 11:48 AM

Here's some old rendering from the compitition to design the Ballpark in Arlington. Some of the losing entrants shown include Micheal Graves, Martin Growald, and Lake + Flato. 

 

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:12 PM

We are familiar with the current stadium so obviously that looks like THE stadium, but honestly it's hard to imagine those others were even considered.  Yuck.


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Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:32 PM

Yeah, some of those are pretty terrible, especially given that ballpark aesthetics were headed in the classic direction at that time. That was a good find. The only one I remembering seeing back then was the Lake+Flato design.

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 01:15 AM

Beebe and Babka! Put a roof on it it and call it a wrap.



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Posted 26 October 2016 - 12:18 AM

Curious rendering of the convention center. Before the Omni and after the south expansion, but also showing the east annex removed but the curve in commerce  still there. The rooftop garden is also interesting. 

 

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:34 PM

Here's the Hilton Annex. 

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:10 PM

Well, the Hilton Hotel Annex turned out very close to the rendering. It's just a shame that in order to build it, they radically altered the original 1920's design.  All of you preservationists will probably hurl objects at me for the following statement.  It is also a shame that it was included with the original hotel building in the designation as a Recorded Texas Historic Landmark.  The owners, who are renovating it into an apartment building, want to use the State Tax Credits to help fund the project.  They have been told by the Texas Historical Commission that because state money is involved, they can't alter the 1968-69 façade.  If the owners wish to give up the money, then they can do with the building as they wish. 



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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:20 PM

Unbuilt Moncreif Building, unsure of location?
 
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I'm gonna say the NW corner of 4th and Throckmorton.  The building on the right side of the rendering is where Oliver's is.  At first I was thinking the building has the wrong number of stories, but if you visualize the area above the awning as a screen in front of the second story windows, it kind of works.  Here's a slightly different view.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 07:32 PM

Here's the 1967 ST annex

 

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