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#51 PeopleAreStrange

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:47 PM

Dallas to consider taking out I-345 and rejoining Downtown to Deep Ellum:

 

http://www.nbcdfw.co...-451191403.html

 

The lack of consideration for those who drive on the freeway is frustrating.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:00 PM

I get the traffic concerns, but if I've learned anything over the years, it's that freeway demand and traffic pattern study is counter-intuitive.  I'm willing to wait and see what the studies tell the planners and I wouldn't be surprised if it shows that other roadways will absorb the traffic.  Just like more lanes doesn't always equal less traffic congestion, removing a spur freeway may not result in Armageddon.  I'm sure that the same sky-is-falling arguments were used to try to justify boxing in the north and west sides of downtown Fort Worth with a freeway and not moving the I-30 overhead 100 yards to the south.



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:34 PM

Moving a freeway 100 yards south is quite a bit different than completely tearing down a freeway.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:36 PM

Of course it is and I never implied otherwise. I was just pointing out that the hyperbolic responses were similar.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:18 PM

The name or the freeway itself?

 

This thread has offered some pretty spirited discussion over the years.  A few things have changed since the last post more than 3 years ago: the horseshoe interchange rebuild is nearing completion, the toll road on the Trinity that the city said for years had to be complete in order for the horseshoe project to happen never happened and is deader than dead and the area bordering the Trinity to the west of downtown is booming with development, LBJ on the north side was rebuilt, and 183 from Stemmons into Irving is being rebuilt.  I'm not sure the discussion and study would even be taking place if the overhead wasn't in such poor structural shape or if money was readily available to replace it.  The comment following the NBC5 story from the guy saying he likes the freeway because it isolates Deep Ellum and Old East Dallas from Downtown is...interesting. 

 

I'm interested in seeing what the study shows about traffic flow.  This definitely isn't something that will happen overnight.

 

The name. 

I've never in my life seen or heard of that section of freeway be called "I-345". 


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

No one calls it I-345.  This is partially due to the fact that it is unsigned.  However, the official designation is I-345.  There are several unsigned highways in Texas, and I'm sure there are more in other parts of the country. 

 

Anybody want to take a guess on Spur 366?



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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:34 PM

366 is Woodall Rogers. I had never heard it referred to as 345 before the discussion of removing it came up.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:17 PM

I have heard it called I-345 a few times, but not many.  I even remember it getting the three number interstate designation before it was built.  I was actually surprised when it opened and there weren't any Interstate signs on it.






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