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#201 Jeriat

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:18 AM

Funny... a Taco Bell can get urbanism right, but it's just too much for Walmart up the road.

Just be thankful it's Neighborhood Walmart. 

Could have been worse...

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:17 AM

 

Funny... a Taco Bell can get urbanism right, but it's just too much for Walmart up the road.

Just be thankful it's Neighborhood Walmart. 

Could have been worse...

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That's a nice photo of the 121 tollway construction at Overton Ridge.



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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:16 PM

I have one more shot of the new Taco Bell.  This time, it was taken after dark.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:38 AM

 

 

Funny... a Taco Bell can get urbanism right, but it's just too much for Walmart up the road.

Just be thankful it's Neighborhood Walmart. 

Could have been worse...

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That's a nice photo of the 121 tollway construction at Overton Ridge.

 

 

Two "Idiocracy" references in one post. Nice. 


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

Does anyone know if tax or private money paid for the fancy TCU brick strips and intersections (and the maintenance/repairs) in the Berry/University intersection area?  They fell apart soon after the were put there.  That stuff never works.  They should have made them with colored concrete...



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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

Funny... a Taco Bell can get urbanism right, but it's just too much for Walmart up the road.

 

I'm so over the Wal Mart hating (which I fully admit to participating in). At least folks can get a full line of food there.  All you can get at Taco bell is bad fast food.

 

Let's talk about something else....like improvements of Berry St east of the railroad track. Any possibility of continuing to narrow the street?


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 08:33 PM


Funny... a Taco Bell can get urbanism right, but it's just too much for Walmart up the road.

 
I'm so over the Wal Mart hating (which I fully admit to participating in). At least folks can get a full line of food there.  All you can get at Taco bell is bad fast food.
 
Let's talk about something else....like improvements of Berry St east of the railroad track. Any possibility of continuing to narrow the street?

Quit trying to bring sunshine to my bitterness.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

I hate to dwell on Taco Bell, but I now have confirmation that Chicken Express will be moving into the old Taco Bell location at 2301 W. Berry.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 02:38 PM

No one should hold their breath for something more urban like what Taco Bell did with their new location.



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:23 AM

Why is that "urban" Taco Bell there?  Clearly that's not a walkable, or desirable intersection.  Really, how much foot traffic will they see in the foreseeable future?

 

That Taco Bell should have been put built in the 7th street corridor...



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 12:55 PM

It will get plenty of foot traffic from Paschal and probably some from TCU, plus it's now at a major intersection so their drive-thru traffic will probably increase.

 

Really... is it a full moon right now?


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:00 PM

First of all, the new Taco Bell is about one block away from the Berry Street/TCU Station of the commuter rail line that will eventually be constructed.  Second, the design guidelines for Berry Street now put a minimum two story height on any building and those buildings must be built right up to the street. 



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:31 PM

First of all, the new Taco Bell is about one block away from the Berry Street/TCU Station of the commuter rail line that will eventually be constructed.  Second, the design guidelines for Berry Street now put a minimum two story height on any building and those buildings must be built right up to the street. 

How long from now is eventually for the station?

So, the 2-story requirement even applies on that side of the intersection?

 

 

It will get plenty of foot traffic from Paschal and probably some from TCU, plus it's now at a major intersection so their drive-thru traffic will probably increase.

 

Really... is it a full moon right now?

 

My teenage daughter commented that it looked out of place...I thought about it and agreed.

I guess I can see the drive thru point, however the big intersection may make it a little cumbersome to get to from some directions.

The sun is out, look out the window...



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:46 PM

Right now, it may not make sense, but that's the point of the Berry Street design standards - to gradually shift the area into being a new form.  It'll take time, but the end result will be an area more conducive to multiple modes of transportation and more varied living/working arrangements and such.


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 07:49 PM

TCU is asking for zoning change for parking garage.

http://fortworthtexa...1113 zoning.pdf

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:58 PM

Right now, it may not make sense, but that's the point of the Berry Street design standards - to gradually shift the area into being a new form.  It'll take time, but the end result will be an area more conducive to multiple modes of transportation and more varied living/working arrangements and such.

 

So, only corporate businesses can afford that (like 7th St.).  My bet is that it will take a loooong time for that area to be pedestrian friendly (in a Magnolia way).  Taco Bell will go through a couple renovations before that.



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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:12 PM

Requiring business to have the front door on the sidewalk makes plenty of sense to me, but forcing 2 stories onto every building seems a bit to much, I question whether the market would be willing to spend the extra capital to fund that extra space. 



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:29 AM

After the commuter rail station is built, I'm sure that real estate values will almost require, larger mixed use buildings.  The existing one story fast food places in the area will probably start to look out of place.  Also, a property owner doesn't have to build a new building, they can always rehab their existing one story buildings.  One a couple of projects to take a look at, are the Loft Vue on both Forest Park and McCart, just south of Berry and University House at University and Devitt.  The Grandmarc at Westberry Place is also a good example of a large taller building constructed on the street.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 01:10 PM

Requiring business to have the front door on the sidewalk makes plenty of sense to me, but forcing 2 stories onto every building seems a bit to much, I question whether the market would be willing to spend the extra capital to fund that extra space. 

 

FWIW, we in the Southside recently changed the development standards on Magnolia to require a minimum of two stories.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:08 PM

 
FWIW, we in the Southside recently changed the development standards on Magnolia to require a minimum of two stories.


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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

 

Requiring business to have the front door on the sidewalk makes plenty of sense to me, but forcing 2 stories onto every building seems a bit to much, I question whether the market would be willing to spend the extra capital to fund that extra space. 

 

FWIW, we in the Southside recently changed the development standards on Magnolia to require a minimum of two stories.

 

 

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:59 AM

"Helping Hemphill" - news and opinion on the upcoming facelift of the Berry/Hemphill intersection.

 

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:58 AM

For those of you that haven't heard, The Cellar closed for good on Halloween weekend.  The building it was in, as we've all probably long suspected, is probably not long for this world.

 

FW Weekly: Beneath The Cellar



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:23 AM

Too bad, Fort Worth is slowly (well, maybe not so slowly) losing those little places with real character. 



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 10:52 AM

Not in the same area, but Republic Street Bar (Pennsylvania just east of Main) is one of those hole-in-the wall places with character that just opened a year or two ago.  All hope is not lost.


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Posted 11 November 2015 - 11:14 AM

The lot that the cellar was on will be a parking lot.  All those buildings will be torn down soon.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 12:55 PM

The lot that the cellar was on will be a parking lot.  All those buildings will be torn down soon.

I have never been, but was it like the old Blossoms on the Boulevard at Camp Bowie and Merrick?  It had home cookin' restaurant with a bar/small venue in the basement.



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Posted 11 November 2015 - 03:48 PM

No straight up bar that was a fire hazard with loooooooooooow ceilings and one exit.



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 09:07 AM

Proposal to take out the shell station at university and berry. Replace with Chase bank. Asking for variance to not build out the 2nd floor

http://fortworthtexa...ket.pdf?rev=318

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:04 AM

The Cellar building is covered in spray paint with messages like "this sucks" and "we'll miss this place". 



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:11 AM

the city shouldn't allow this variance .... less tax money they'll be able to collect on this prime property for potentially decades because the bank doesn't want to build a 2nd story and follow the MU2 zoning. 



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:24 AM

Yeah, TCU students did need a Chase nearby, but the SGA just voted to put one right on campus, so this is definitely not worth the variances they're asking for. 

 

And I could be reading it wrong or overreacting, but does a Chase really need 21 parking spots??? I understand needing it for employees and customers, but 21? For a one floor building?



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:54 AM

I don't know it is the case here, but city codes usually have ridiculous minimum parking spaces required. This is one of the reasons for massive paved areas surrounding many buildings, and then the resultant heat island effect, flooding and storm sewer overload problems, and the 'aesthetic desert'  appearance of much of our urban landscape. The required distance between developments raises utility installation and maintenance costs as well. 



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Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:12 PM

Looks good... 

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:16 PM

I am not in favor of this variance for several reasons.  Yes, the building looks better than the Shell Station, but it has a faux second floor.  With the zoning in place, there are only 11 parking spaces required.  They are asking for 21, which seems excessive, but my firm designs banks and for suburban locations, we are providing more parking spaces than what they are providing at this site. 



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Posted 16 November 2015 - 11:31 AM

And I could be reading it wrong or overreacting, but does a Chase really need 21 parking spots??? I understand needing it for employees and customers, but 21? For a one floor building?

They would probably be used, Chase is a pretty high volume bank. There's a Bank of America on Altamesa which has maybe 15 spaces total and cars are often backed out into the street trying to get in to park.


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Posted 16 November 2015 - 09:09 PM

They would probably be used, Chase is a pretty high volume bank. There's a Bank of America on Altamesa which has maybe 15 spaces total and cars are often backed out into the street trying to get in to park.

 

 

True story.  I prefer to ride my bicycle there.

 

There are actually 29 spaces in that lot, 15 in front and 14 in the back.  Buy yeah, they do fill up.


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 03:12 PM

The Cellar is gone.



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Posted 28 December 2015 - 03:49 PM

The Cellar is gone.

 

Oh wow, I drove by just the other day and it was still standing.  



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Posted 03 March 2016 - 07:32 AM

Interesting update on the Berry Street redevelopment plan in this Fort Worth Business article.

 

http://www.fortworth...71cb94a466.html



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 03:03 PM

Another Barnes and Noble bites the dust, although this one is a college bookstore.  TCU will rebrand its store to Follett, a popular college bookstore operator.

 

http://www.star-tele...le71138437.html



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Posted 10 May 2016 - 07:52 PM

Drive-by picture On Berry across from the Taco Bell

 

 

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 08:24 PM

Here's what that'll look like, http://www.vlkarchit...use/200-w-berry



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 04:11 PM

Here's what that'll look like, http://www.vlkarchit...use/200-w-berry

I am not sure it is going to have all that green space in the back.  I think the original intention was to do that, but not sure if the final product will have it.  I hope I am wrong as it would be awesome to have food trucks back there.

 

Edit: BTW - "The design of the building and site encourages pedestrian traffic, walkability and a vibrant, lively atmosphere between the nearby TCU campus and proposed location of a new passenger train station."

 

I think people need to stop pitching that train station.  IF that ever happens, we are talking 10-20 years down the road.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 07:28 PM

Here's some screenshots of proposed changes from the city.  More info - http://fortworthtexa...orm-based-code/

 

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 09:32 PM

Hopefully, these plans leave enough room for TEX Rail to be double-tracked in the future.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 11:00 PM

Hopefully, these plans leave enough room for TEX Rail to be double-tracked in the future.

 

Not too sure there will be a need for it. 


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 02:30 AM

Hopefully, these plans leave enough room for TEX Rail to be double-tracked in the future.


It would probably be a lot cheaper to provide for the trains to pass each other at stations rather than construct a second parallel track.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:18 PM

Hopefully, these plans leave enough room for TEX Rail to be double-tracked in the future.

 
Not too sure there will be a need for it.

Why do you say that?

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 12:47 PM

 

 

Hopefully, these plans leave enough room for TEX Rail to be double-tracked in the future.

 
Not too sure there will be a need for it.

Why do you say that?

 

Not Sure above pretty much stated why. 

Double tracks at the station make more sense, but outside of that, there's no reason to have double tracks all the way. Just like with Denton. 


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