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#1 Now in Denton

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 11:26 AM

I love to know what members opinion about Fort Worth trying to get the Olympics ? In 2020 or so. I say the only place to hold the main stadium. In the Fort Worth Dallas area. Will be the new Cowboy Stadium or TMS. And should it be led by Fort Worth?

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 12:47 PM

Houston is considering a run for the 2016. Maybe that year would be a better shot. Only problem, where are all the guests going to overnight?

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Posted 22 April 2006 - 01:49 PM

The only problem is damage control. When the Olympics are all said and done with in a particular city or region, that area is left with such an immense COST left on the table. An area recession usually occurs immediately post Olympics. Too much build up and infrastructure costs.

Picture the Olympics as a GRAND GALA event. And Fort Worth is the caterer that just breaks even.

If there will be an improved dominant mass transit system in the workings by 2012, then there is a chance.
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Posted 22 April 2006 - 11:56 PM

TMS as the Olympic stadium. *snicker* It'd be funny if people camped out in RVs in the infield during the opening ceremony.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Apr 22 2006, 01:47 PM) View Post

Houston is considering a run for the 2016. Maybe that year would be a better shot. Only problem, where are all the guests going to overnight?


Thats the thing an urban village will be built. Then turned into regular homes afterward. I also agree that Houston and Fort Worth have the only real shot of getting it. We already have the main Stadium. Be it TMS or New Cowboy Stadium. Thats a major win to sell the Olympic President to have it here.

It would jump start Light Rail. And other projects. I do belive the Olympic committy wants a Texas Olympics.
Due in part .Many European and Asian people just love and eat up everything American Cowboy and Western.

I know that many were disapointed with Atlanta because rightly or wrongly the outside world expected to see Gone with the wind and plantations and everything with the old south. Fort Worth and Texas for that matter has the Westrern Culture to feed thier expectations.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 01:17 PM

I was on the Houston 2012 committee. Trust me...ever official I spoke to wanted to see the cowboys and the oil derricks. Once we realized that the USOC wanted New York and not any other city in the U.S. we decided to save face and keep working, but knew our efforts were futile. We had much more infrastructure built...something like 90 percent and still didn't get much more than a glance.

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE(JulieM @ Apr 23 2006, 02:17 PM) View Post

I was on the Houston 2012 committee. Trust me...ever official I spoke to wanted to see the cowboys and the oil derricks. Once we realized that the USOC wanted New York and not any other city in the U.S. we decided to save face and keep working, but knew our efforts were futile. We had much more infrastructure built...something like 90 percent and still didn't get much more than a glance.


I agree that a bent for New York was hard to overcome for the 2012 games. Was in part IMO due to 9/11. Just like pushing to having both Dem. and Rep. National conventions to have them in New York in 2004.

But Committee members change and who knows what national feelings will be when deciding 2016 2020 2024? Just like how will you know what you feel like eating 8 years from now Mexican? Italian? And ever the good old politics play a part. Paris lost to London because The French president has a big mouth.

We don't realise that Tarrant, Denton, Dallas have so many stadium's From Pro, College and High School complex's that Athens had to build from nothing to have all of the events. With only Fort Worth and Arlington being the only two reality cities to hold the main events!

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Posted 23 April 2006 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE(JulieM @ Apr 23 2006, 02:17 PM) View Post

I was on the Houston 2012 committee. Trust me...ever official I spoke to wanted to see the cowboys and the oil derricks. Once we realized that the USOC wanted New York and not any other city in the U.S. we decided to save face and keep working, but knew our efforts were futile. We had much more infrastructure built...something like 90 percent and still didn't get much more than a glance.


Did you try approaching them with the riding into the meeting room by horseback "Annie Oakley" method? Colt 45's a blazin. Little rope trick or two. Your Palomino takes a bow.

I hear it makes quite an impression with them foreigners. biggrin.gif

IDK, but I would wager a $1 bet that SA would get the nod before FW. IMO.
But I am ALL for a TEXAS wide Olympic event. Events here and there for every big city and surrounding towns. Spread the cost and spread the wealth.
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Posted 23 April 2006 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE(safly @ Apr 22 2006, 02:49 PM) View Post

The only problem is damage control. When the Olympics are all said and done with in a particular city or region, that area is left with such an immense COST left on the table. An area recession usually occurs immediately post Olympics. Too much build up and infrastructure costs.

Picture the Olympics as a GRAND GALA event. And Fort Worth is the caterer that just breaks even.

If there will be an improved dominant mass transit system in the workings by 2012, then there is a chance.


I agree with you . A city can't hold it's hopes with an Olympic game before or after the games. But be it Houston or Fort Worth the State and Federal monies will back up the Host city events with monies. As past US cities had been helped.

I also agree with cost overruns. But I see Fort Worth doing this for three resons . To spurr infrastucture Light Rail Highway development ect. What Fort Worth badly needs. To put Fort Worth on the map dealing once and for all PR mistakes will forever be put away for good. And that Fort Worth Area has all the stadiums in place now and after the games. And were not Built out so much room to do whats needed.

Were not doing this because were starving. Were do this for same reson a City would try to get a pro team of football or baseball . Like most here over the years bemone the fact we don't have a pro Sport named after the City.

I think a state wide event would be best. I Have have no problem with events in the Gulf of Mexico to Midland. But as hard we may try to put every city name as the host city. Only one City will win out as the monicer .Thiers no way around that.

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Posted 02 May 2006 - 01:37 PM

After the '96 Olympics in Atlanta the IOC changed its criteria to require much, much more government funding than any city in the US is probably realistically willing to contribute. The Atlanta Olympics were seen as a commercialized fiasco by many outside the US, and the bombings sure didn't help.

I can't see the IOC thinking that cowboys and Caravaggios will make up for events being held at places like the Texas Motor Speedway and Farrington Field, generally with the complete lack of mass-transit infrastructure and the inhospitability of the climate, but specifically because these events gotta look good on TV and only brand-new ultra-expensive stadiums do the trick. It takes Santiago Calatrava to do it right, apparently.

The only way it could EVER happen would be for the lion's share of events to be staged in the same general vicinity a la Barcelona. And I hate to say it, but no city in Texas is both big enough and loose enough with the city coffers to make it happen. Furthermore, there are no Richard Daleys out there with enough power to ramrod it through the red tape and the public outrage at the excess and overruns.

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 03:58 PM

This is a story from ABC 13 in Houston today.

US Olympic Committee in town to meet with city leadersUSOC in town to look at city
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(5/07/06 - KTRK/HOUSTON) - On Monday, the United States Olympic Committee will be in Houston to take a look at the city, to see if it's ready to host the 2016 Olympic games. It's very early in the game to select the host city, but it appears after coming up short for the 2012 games, Houston has the Olympic itch again.


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In the next couple of weeks, in addition to visiting Houston, the USOC will visit Philadelphia, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

It's been about four years since Houston lost the bid to host the 2012 Olympics games, but now city officials feel fairly confident that they once again, have a fighting chance.

The last time Houston attempted to host the Olympics, the city was up against some stiff competition -- Washington DC, San Francisco, and New York City. In the end, the US bid for the 2012 games went to the Big Apple. Critics say Houston simply didn't have the international appeal and transportation issues couldn't be overlooked.

But since that last bid, officials say the city has made great progress, hosting a number of major sporting events, including a Super Bowl and World Series. Officials also cited the city's response to Hurricane Katrina for putting Houston on the international map, proving, they say, the city can work with government agencies to get things done.

"When we closed up shop two or three years ago, we didn't know whether we'd have another chance to bid, but now, it turns out we do," said Houston 2012 Chairman George DeMontrond. "We kept all the things intact that we need to start our bid and we're eager to get going."

Monday's meeting will help determine if the USOC will pursue a bid for the 2016 Olympics at all. A delegation of ten people, including Mayor Bill White, will be at that meeting Monday.

So how long will it take to find out which city will host the 2016 Olympics games? The announcement will be made in 2009.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:06 PM

Long-range planning for a summer Olympics here is not out of the question.  Probably not Fort Worth, as we lack the sports venue infrastructure and the "sports culture" environment (minor league baseball, the Horned Frogs, NASCAR racing, and rodeos would hardly impress the Olympics Committee).  Of course, proponents might suggest expanding the TMS area; there's room to build an Olympic Village in the Alliance area.
 

But Arlington may really fit the bill, as the center of the DFW Metroplex and the host for a variety of popular sports events.   Now the question of size, scope and cost is important, particularly in light of the recent extravaganza in Beijing (and the costly Sochi winter venue, for that matter).  Does AT&T Stadium in Arlington fit the bill of a mega-stadium as the central focus of an Olympics?  Then there are the out-door events.  Is Arlington "roomy" enough for these?  And what of the cost?

 

Fort Worth, Dallas, and all North Texas would certainly benefit economically from this world-wide sports event. 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:44 PM

Long-range planning for a summer Olympics here is not out of the question.... And what of the cost?...Fort Worth, Dallas, and all North Texas would certainly benefit economically from this world-wide sports event. 

 

At $50B in 2014 dollars and rising - a resounding "nay" from me.  

 

The IOC loves to be outrageously wined, dined and pampered; and of course they will include several American cities for their exploratory reviews. Lets not be one of them. 

 

Are we in need of the international exposure, or the diminishing returns that seems to come to any American site when hosting the Olympics,  that places like Russia and China need?  I for one can certainly do without the inevitable security headaches.

 

Recent news about the state of Bejing Olympics stadium and other infrastructure there is that these venues are already in decline from lack of use.  The costs of the Brazilian Olympics has already risen to a point where there is civil unrest over the costs.  Atlanta is demolishing its stadium.

 

I think that we can certainly come up with better ways to spend precious resources than to spend them on a 20-day extravaganza like the summer olympics to create economic benefits for the region. I think the world might do better too if it redirected such resources towards crops, water, education and the eradication of diseases than the building of olympic venues.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:38 PM

As cool as it would be to have the Olympics here, let's be realistic. Do y'all really think the Olympic committee would consider us? Is Fort Worth really an internationally important city that belongs with other Summer host cities like Tokyo, Rio de Janero, London, Beijing, Athens, Sydney, Atlanta, Barcelona, Seoul, Los Angeles, Moscow, Montreal, etc? Maybe Atlanta. Even if we were a great world city, I'm not sure I'd want the Olympics here. Just look at all of the issues that Sochi had to deal with.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:41 PM

Dallas touting its uniquely "western image" as something that is appealing to the rest of the world; and also shamelessly claiming Arlington's AT&T Stadium. Imagine building a house and your neighbor moving their furniture in it and then replacing all signs of your ownership?   It is going to be the "Dallas and Nobody Else" Olympics :glare:

 

http://www.dallasnew...lympics-bid.ece



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:57 AM

Here's a good article on why hosting the Olympics does not always work out in the long run.

 

http://www.theatlant...ad-cities/2689/



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

Here's a good article on why hosting the Olympics does not always work out in the long run.

 

http://www.theatlant...ad-cities/2689/

A fairly persuasive argument for not hosting an Olympics.  And, thanks to Renamerusk for reminding us that Dallas has a 2024 bid in play.

 

Funny observation, but I remember when the same pro and con arguments were given regarding hosting a world's fair (I believe the last world's fair was held in San Antonio in 1968, am I correct?).  No more world's fairs.  They've been replaced by the Olympics (yes, apples and oranges, maybe, but the media focus, showmanship, and economic considerations are somewhat similar).



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:20 AM

Gotta love the irony of Dallas brandishing its "western heritage" in order to stand out on the international stage after so many years of trying to distance itself from it while denigrating Fort Worth for being some "hick outpost" that has been left behind by time.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:48 AM

....a good article on why hosting the Olympics does not always work out in the long run.

 

 

 

 

....that Dallas has a 2024 bid in play.

 

No doubting that the Dallas business establishment will be able to raise the seed money from among itself, but getting the taxpayers in Tarrant County aboard will be justifiably a much harder sale. 

 

In the long run, Dallas' bid will ultimately amount to somewhere between a $20-50m PR campaign that may or may not be worth it.



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:01 AM

Meh. No thanks. I'd like to see Dallas get one, maybe even share it with Arlington. If it drives up tourism here in FW, that's nice.

 

Dallas is definitely much more of a "world city" than FW. But even then, Chicago is far more deserving of an Olympics, and I've heard Boston, Philly, D.C., and the Bay area have interest as well. 



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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:33 PM

As much as I don't want Fort Worth to host the Olympics, I REALLY do not want Dallas to host the Olympics. That would be very devastating in our efforts to distinguish ourselves from them. Hopefully there will be enough opposition that the Olympic committee will overlook them!

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

I'm not worried about any of this because Toronto's gonna get it... 


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:44 PM

Well when I posted this .I did not mean 2020 specifically . It does looks like Dallas will keep at it till they get it. It just burns me Dallas will use TMS for opening and closing ceremony. Because I don't see Dallas building a billion doallar stadium with no real use after the games. And as big as Cowboy stadium is. The floor plot is just too small. Especially for the summer games. Summer Olympics have always been and always will be the bigger games. Over the winter Olympics.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 06:50 PM

There is no way the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics could happen at TMS. That has to be one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:13 PM

There is no way the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympics could happen at TMS. That has to be one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard.

 

 Tell that to Dallas 2012 committee . And if you JBB want another tango with me. I be happy to take you on ! I leave it up to you if you want to get nasty like before !



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:23 PM

I would hope Fort Worth would say NO to letting Dallas use TMS as the opening/closing ceremony venue if they end up hosting the Olympics.

 

Hosting opening/closing ceremonies at TMS is not a crazy idea, though. The speedway is absolutely massive, and has plenty of space for just about anything that anyone could dream up. It's open air, but opening ceremonies have been held at open air venues before.


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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

And if you JBB want another tango with me. I be happy to take you on ! I leave it up to you if you want to get nasty like before !


What are you talking about?
 
 

Hosting opening/closing ceremonies at TMS is not a crazy idea, though. The speedway is absolutely massive


Yeah. That's why I think it's a crazy idea. The scale of the size of the speedway would not make any sense whatsoever for that or (like has been previously suggested) a football game.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:19 PM

Worldstadiums.com lists Texas Motor Speedway as the 14th largest stadium in the world seating 138,122 people (Indianapolis Speedway as largest at 257,325).

 

Why wouldn't that sort of venue not be suitable for Summer Olympics ceremonies? Yeah, most of the seats are on one side, but that might actually make it easier to produce a show that can be seen by all spectators, i.e. no upside down messages spelled out by marching bands, etc.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 11:53 PM

It's just not a layout conducive to a ceremony where there's a single activity area for the audience to focus on. The front stretch is nearly a half of a mile long - the people on the far ends sit more than 300 yards away from the center of the grandstand. The seats point toward the track directly if front of them, not at the center of the track. The track itself is not flat. The center of the track that's not occupied by support buildings is several hundred feet away from the grandstand. It seems like a stretch to assume they could shoehorn the ceremonies into a facility like that when there are existing facilities where it is a more natural fit - the old Cotton Bowl or AT&T Stadium, without track and field being held there, obviously. After the debacle leading up to Sochi, it's more likely that future games will go to areas with a vast majority of the infrastructure already in place, much in the same way that LA put on the games in 1984.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 08:45 PM

As much as I don't want Fort Worth to host the Olympics, I REALLY do not want Dallas to host the Olympics. That would be very devastating in our efforts to distinguish ourselves from them. Hopefully there will be enough opposition that the Olympic committee will overlook them!

 

Insecure, maybe? What D does has nothing to do with FW's image.  Wow!



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:31 PM

Fort Worth would be more closely associated with Dallas than ever if they end up hosting the Olympics. You wouldn't mind that?


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 12:19 PM

I think this is a good opportunity for Dallas-Fort Worth to send a delegation to the Olympic Committee to promote the Arlington sports venues for 2022?

 

http://money.cnn.com...2024/index.html



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Posted 11 October 2016 - 01:39 PM

2022 is a winter games, so I assume you mean 2024. Eh, they're too far into the process for the area to get into the running and LA seems pretty well-suited to host again. I see the Olympics as little more than a vanity and prestige exercise for the host city that turns into a giant money pit. They're left with a lot of expensive facilities built at tax payer expense that, even if they are redeveloped, it takes years. We're probably not far away from the games being relegated to a few recent host cities with the infrastructure already in place. I'm content with LA being one of those cities.

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Posted 12 October 2016 - 08:41 AM

2036 is a summer Olympic year, and will be the 200th anniversary of Texas independence.  

 

I think it'd be cool to see a statewide hosting bid, anchored by what I hope would be a nifty high-speed rail network.






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