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#51 AdamB

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 01:36 PM

Aren't they going out of business? C&B?

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 03:02 PM

Ok, this is rediculous. There is an official Museum Place thread a couple slots down (and countless others a couple pages back.) John, can we please merge these?

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 04:02 PM

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Ok, this is rediculous. There is an official Museum Place thread a couple slots down (and countless others a couple pages back.) John, can we please merge these?



Sorry bout that. Guess I should have searched before posting.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 04:56 PM

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Another informative Fort Worth Weekly article:

http://www.fwweekly....sp?article=4361


Some are worried the developers won't respect the culture in a cultural district....any chance we could see a move to the South Side by those types (club owners, artsy folks...)? Would be a shot in the arm for this area.


I'd love to see some of them make a move to Fort Worth South. My girlfriend is moving from the suburbs to a certain restored '20s apartment building just a couple of blocks off of Magnolia, and I really dig that area of town.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:21 PM

All threads directly related to Museum Place have been merged. Everyone, please perform a search before you start a new topic! If you put the name of the project in quotes during the search, the search engine will come up with the exact match of keywords.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 07:47 AM

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Aren't they going out of business? C&B?


I think you are thinking of Storehouse. Gone gone... cry.gif all of them.

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 03:39 PM

And so it begins:

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Just utility work, but I think it's obviously related to Museum Place. Good to see dirt turning at last!

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 04:17 PM

The new Post Office (not a great rendering, but it's all I can find at the moment):

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"The Museum Place Development Group has announced the location of a new 6,000 square-foot post office that will serve as the gateway into the highly anticipated Museum Place development in Fort Worth’s world-renowned cultural district. Groundbreaking on the new post office is expected to take place in late 2006 or early 2007. The post office, a full retail service center, will be located at the corner of Bailey Avenue and University Drive and will be accessible from 6th Street off Bailey.

Generous donations from local foundations funded the enhanced architectural elements of the building, done by the Pritzker Architecture Prize-winning firm Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates, Inc., of Philadelphia. The design work will include a mural of the West Texas sky on the outside wall facing south and the north wall will be floor-to-ceiling glass. Just south of the building are steel billboard beams bent during the 2000 tornado that will serve as an art piece, set in a public plaza. Hahnfeld, Hoffer and Stanford, of Fort Worth, is the architect of record who will be completing the detailed construction drawings for the projects.

Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates was founded by the husband and wife team of Robert Venturi and Denise Scott Brown. The company’s most recent projects include an addition to Woodmere Art Museum in Philadelphia, the California Nanosystems Institute at the University of California in Santa Barbara and the Dumbarton Oaks Library in Washington, D.C. When complete, the post office will be the fifth building in the cultural district to be designed by a winner of the prestigious Pritzker Architecture Prize. The post office will serve as a unique gateway into the Museum Place development, both in function and design.

“We have loved the problem of designing for a small but important public structure in a big Texan environment,” said Robert Venturi and Denise Scott Brown. “The building must have civic scale, cultural relevance, local intimacy and visibility through the intersection at West 7th Street, Bailey Avenue and Camp Bowie Boulevard.”"

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Posted 28 December 2006 - 06:11 PM

So far I love it. And the twisted steel billboard beams made by the 2000 tornado into art. Is a wild and great idea. Its a great reminder of who is in charge.

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

Bulldozer took out what is left of the block where the old 7th steet theater stood.



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Posted 08 January 2007 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(Atomic Glee @ Nov 10 2006, 06:56 PM) View Post

QUOTE(avenuebabe @ Nov 10 2006, 08:20 AM) View Post

Another informative Fort Worth Weekly article:

http://www.fwweekly....sp?article=4361


Some are worried the developers won't respect the culture in a cultural district....any chance we could see a move to the South Side by those types (club owners, artsy folks...)? Would be a shot in the arm for this area.


I'd love to see some of them make a move to Fort Worth South. My girlfriend is moving from the suburbs to a certain restored '20s apartment building just a couple of blocks off of Magnolia, and I really dig that area of town.



YES - agreed. There are a ton of cool opportunities south of downtown.

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 07:36 AM

Looks like they have the site plan for the first office building on the website now:
http://www.museumplace.com/office

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 07:29 PM

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A few variances requested by the developer for encrouchment into the set-back on select lots was presented Wednesday before the Board of Adjustment, I assume all went well?

I am guessing getting required approvals is a sign they are making progress?


Board of Adjustment allowed the onstreet parking and the sidewalks to be entirely on city right of way which set the required set back with too shallow distance. A technicality to be waived. Working drawings are nearly complete and construction on this block and the post office to start in January.


I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the picture you posted. These artistic renderings are so ridiculous. The six points intersection is pictured as a quaint pedestrian park -- pure fantasy. It's the busiest interesection on the westside, as it brings together so many major traffic corridors. The addition of high density housing, 8 story tenement style apartments, is just going to make it a 24/7 traffic gridlock. These developers will do anything to trick the city council into giving them the high density mixed usage designation, and the city council is all too willing to be fooled as their tax base and power will be increased dramatically.

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 08:25 PM

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I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the picture you posted. These artistic renderings are so ridiculous. The six points intersection is pictured as a quaint pedestrian park -- pure fantasy. It's the busiest interesection on the westside, as it brings together so many major traffic corridors. The addition of high density housing, 8 story tenement style apartments, is just going to make it a 24/7 traffic gridlock. These developers will do anything to trick the city council into giving them the high density mixed usage designation, and the city council is all too willing to be fooled as their tax base and power will be increased dramatically.


Of course traffic is bad(ish) there now - there's no pedestrian-friendliness to it at all! In an area hostile to walking, everybody's going to drive for everything, even if it's just local trips. I welcome any and all pedestrian-friendly traditional neighborhood developments such as Museum Place.

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:58 PM

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Well its sort of like this, we moved to our hi-mount, monticello, heights neighborhoods because we liked the small, somewhat quiet, landlocked environment. We did not move here hoping that the areas would be redevloped, bringing in more people and noise. We did not have empty fields around a subdivision just waiting to be developed for an influx of people, like southwest FW/North Crowley. That's why all this redevelopment, McMansion/townhouse/condo building, hospital expansion, etc. in our old neighborhood is of concern.


If that isn't the gospel truth I don't know what is. Bulls-eye.


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Posted 07 February 2007 - 10:04 PM

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Despite several years of negotiations, Garvey said his company was unable to obtain the retail building in the 3200 block of Camp Bowie that houses Great Outdoors sandwich shop and other small stores. So, he said, he designed around it.


YES!!! Thank goodness that beautiful little building is going to stay! I was really hoping it wouldn't get knocked down.


Don't kid yourself. When the owner sees what's up, he'll sell. That sucker'll be rubble, lickity-split.

I concur that it's a really nice little historic building. Kinda Gothic-Moorish. Me thinks about 1925?
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 10:11 PM

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It seems we have demolished a lot of buildings in the central city this year already.


Dynamite. Blow it up.


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Posted 07 February 2007 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE(Urbndwlr @ Jan 8 2007, 03:05 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Atomic Glee @ Nov 10 2006, 06:56 PM) View Post

QUOTE(avenuebabe @ Nov 10 2006, 08:20 AM) View Post

Another informative Fort Worth Weekly article:

http://www.fwweekly....sp?article=4361


Some are worried the developers won't respect the culture in a cultural district....any chance we could see a move to the South Side by those types (club owners, artsy folks...)? Would be a shot in the arm for this area.


I'd love to see some of them make a move to Fort Worth South. My girlfriend is moving from the suburbs to a certain restored '20s apartment building just a couple of blocks off of Magnolia, and I really dig that area of town.


Thank God the Preservationists are at work on the South side -- maybe block clearing can be avoided down there. That's where I'm moving. Fairmount, here I come! Me & the Hippies!


YES - agreed. There are a ton of cool opportunities south of downtown.


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Posted 10 February 2007 - 08:53 PM

The car wash was taken down this week.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:50 AM

Driving by the space this weekend, I saw that the little corner "park" was being dug up, proabbly to salvage the trees. It occurred to me that FW probably spent taxpayer money to make those cute little rarely used, landscaped corner parks about the time the new Modern came in.

So, did the city sell that land to the developers? Or, is the city spending more to clear it out for the developers?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 02:20 PM

Cute they were, but they were never going to be used without pedestrian-friendly development to support them. Fortunately, Museum Place should bring some genuinely *useful* public space.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:18 PM

I liked the artists conception. I just hope there is plenty of parking in case they have some retail or resturants I may want to patronize. If they don't have the parking they won't survive.

My wife loves to shop at Domaine. I guess that is going away.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:30 PM

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I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the picture you posted. These artistic renderings are so ridiculous. The six points intersection is pictured as a quaint pedestrian park -- pure fantasy.


I agree those artist renderings are exaggerated. Like the picture of the food on the front of a TV dinner.
Heck, the artist forgot all the directional signage and traffic lights on poles and strung around everywhere!

I would look forward to a low-scale development there, with some shops, food, small offices, but without a lot of congestion or nightime activity. Leave that for downtown where it belongs.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 05:16 AM

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I almost fell out of my seat laughing at the picture you posted. These artistic renderings are so ridiculous. The six points intersection is pictured as a quaint pedestrian park -- pure fantasy.


I agree those artist renderings are exaggerated. Like the picture of the food on the front of a TV dinner.
Heck, the artist forgot all the directional signage and traffic lights on poles and strung around everywhere!



Well since the development is not completed and these renderings generally provide that other improvements to the area come to fruition, I wouldn't say too much. It could be that part of the "agreement" with the city concerning Museum Place would be that improvements to the intersection be accomplished. I agree that it wouldn't make much sense to have the intersection the way it is with the new development, it looks horrible and the functionality is atrocious.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:17 AM

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I liked the artists conception. I just hope there is plenty of parking in case they have some retail or resturants I may want to patronize. If they don't have the parking they won't survive.

My wife loves to shop at Domaine. I guess that is going away.


Not only will the development bring new on-street parking (properly accomadated and marked, I'm guessing, as opposed to the "sort-of" on-street parking around, say, the Four Star), but most (if not all) of Museum Place's primary buildings wrap around parking garages.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 02:07 PM

In the latest Dallas Business Journal, they have the 15th annual Best Real Estate Deals of the Year Awards in there. For best Mixed-House Development in 2006, the winner was the $500mm Park Lane development. They listed 2 finalists...Museum Place and Eastside (Richardson). There are a few short paragraphs about Museum Place and a rendering...nothing we haven't seen before. But I thought it was pretty solid for the DBJ to have it listed in their top 3 for DFW.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:13 AM

It's been fairly quiet at the site as of late. Removing Gas Storage Tanks at the Texaco. I figured at least groundbreaking on the post office by now.

Is the median work on Camp Bowie part of the project of Camp Bowie Inc improvements?


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Posted 18 May 2007 - 09:34 AM

Is there anyone 'in the know' who has an idea what's taking so long to get this thing going? Financing issues? Permits?

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Posted 18 May 2007 - 11:50 PM

It's technically still on schedule - construction isn't supposed to start till June. They have permits and everything already taken care of for the first phase. Now, the post office is a different story, I don't know what the hold up is there.

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Posted 19 May 2007 - 05:21 PM

Is there a publicpartnership or incentive associated? Sometimes that can be slow.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 10:48 AM

Wow...so Museum Place updated their website, and amongst some new, smashing renderings, there's also an updated retail plan...

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I don't know if it's wishful thinking, or if those are actual, signed leases, but here are some of the ones I can make out:

Apple
Anthropologie
West Elm
J Crew
Z Gallerie
Backwoods (I thought they were going to So7?)

And others that aren't quite clear in the picture. I guess some of our wishes for better shopping are being answered! Too bad Apple won't be open in time to get my Macbook happy.gif

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:31 AM

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I don't know if it's wishful thinking, or if those are actual, signed leases, but here are some of the ones I can make out:

Apple
Anthropologie
West Elm
J Crew
Z Gallerie
Backwoods (I thought they were going to So7?)


I didn't see any names on there. Maybe my eyesight isn't that great. smile.gif

If true, though - HALLELUJAH! AN APPLE STORE! That makes me freaking thrilled.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 01:24 PM

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I don't know if it's wishful thinking, or if those are actual, signed leases


typically when i see site plans for potential investments (long before anything is publicly released), retailers' names indicate they have either executed leases or have been involved in substantial discussions (often including a letter of intent to occupy space within the development) with the developer. obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, but i suspect that if a tenant name is on a site plan that has been released to the general public, there has at least been some significant dialogue between the two parties.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 02:27 PM

So, can anyone do some manipulating of the image and make out the other retailer's names?

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 02:56 PM

I did some researching online and found another site plan that had clearer wording. Here are some of the other retailers listed:

Jasper's
J. Jill
Bebe
La Duni, La Duni Coffee and Alo by La Duni
Bo Concept
Design Within Reach
Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams
Nola's Tapas Bar
Swoozie's
Lucy / Lu Lu Lemon
Pinto Ranch


Also, given the updated design of the hotel component, I'm putting my money on an Aloft by W.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 04:48 PM

Looks like the public plaza at Arch Adams & 7th bit the dust.


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Posted 24 May 2007 - 06:22 PM

Is a theater still being built here? I can't make out the writing on the plan.

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 07:25 PM

Interesting that the mix, either for real or just a dream, includes neither Pier One, Radio Shack, nor Bombay.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 07:29 AM

I believe that information may be correct. Some of those names seem to jive with what I heard being mentioned as working out leases with the new development.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 07:34 AM

looks like we are getting a Houston's as well.... YUMMIE!

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 10:46 AM

Official response from Museum Place Development Group:

"The retail tenant list posted on this site was obtained from information used during the International Council of Shopping Centers spring convention earlier this week. These tenants have not been confirmed and the Museum Place Development team is not announcing any retailers at this time."

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 11:00 AM

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I don't know if it's wishful thinking, or if those are actual, signed leases, but here are some of the ones I can make out:

Apple
Anthropologie
West Elm
J Crew
Z Gallerie
Backwoods (I thought they were going to So7?)


I didn't see any names on there. Maybe my eyesight isn't that great. smile.gif

If true, though - HALLELUJAH! AN APPLE STORE! That makes me freaking thrilled.


Im not an Apple guy but it's still pretty cool to have. The other stores are nice also! cheeburga.gif

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 12:25 PM

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"The retail tenant list posted on this site was obtained from information used during the International Council of Shopping Centers spring convention earlier this week. These tenants have not been confirmed and the Museum Place Development team is not announcing any retailers at this time."


I wonder what that's supposed to mean.

Cbellomy, the public plaza is still there, it's the big open space where Arch Adams dead ends into 7th, it's partially enclosed by the residential/retail building on 3 sides.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE(Jonnyrules23 @ May 25 2007, 01:25 PM) View Post

I wonder what that's supposed to mean.


Part of me thinks that this was unintentional. I noticed yesterday that if you viewed "www.museumplace.com/retail/plan/", you were met with the old site plan with no tenants listed, but if you viewed "museumplace.com/retail/plan/", without the "www," you saw the one with the tenants listed.

If you visit the Museum Place site now (either with or without the "www"), the retail site plan just says "Coming soon."

Curiouser and curiouser.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 01:48 PM

Sounds like the MP people let one slip. Either way NOTE TO OTHER DEVELOPERS. If you are developing along Seventh... THESE ARE THE TYPES OF TENANTS YOU NEED TO ATTRACT! Are you listening Montgomery Plaza?


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Posted 25 May 2007 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE(Jonnyrules23 @ May 25 2007, 01:25 PM) View Post



I wonder what that's supposed to mean.



QUOTE(PLS @ May 24 2007, 02:24 PM) View Post

typically when i see site plans for potential investments (long before anything is publicly released), retailers' names indicate they have either executed leases or have been involved in substantial discussions (often including a letter of intent to occupy space within the development) with the developer. obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, but i suspect that if a tenant name is on a site plan that has been released to the general public, there has at least been some significant dialogue between the two parties.


given that the largest industry conference took place earlier this week in vegas, i'm betting on the latter of my earlier comment. i read earlier this week that as much as 25% of all retail leases are agreed upon, in principle, at icsc-vegas. it's a busy 3 days, to say the least.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 02:49 PM

Kind of looks like the store line-up in Southlake Town Center.

It will be interesting to see how many other retailers with stores in Southlake are looking at putting a store in Fort Worth.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 04:06 PM

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Kind of looks like the store line-up in Southlake Town Center.

It will be interesting to see how many other retailers with stores in Southlake are looking at putting a store in Fort Worth.


a lot. wfw money makes sl look like a piggy bank.

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 09:12 PM

Jonnyrules, thanks. That space didn't look big enough to qualify as a plaza to me, but my sense of scale from reading blueprints has always been poor.


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Posted 26 May 2007 - 07:30 AM

The store names seem to have disappeared from Jonny's post as well conf.gif
On a related note from Z Gallerie's website...
Stonebriar Centre
2601 Preston Road #1084
Frisco, TX 75034
(972) 731-9357
Z Gallerie's Stonebriar Centre location has closed its doors after six years on April 15th, 2007.





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