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#1 Jeff Thompson

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:56 AM

I know this place has an interesting history. (built in the 30's for oil barons mistresses.. or so im told) My question, how come its so difficult to find anything on this building? it is one of the older, and larger buildings in Ft. Worth. (12 stories Tall.) any info appreciated.

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#2 John T Roberts

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:56 AM

If I had not loaned my South Side Historic Resources Survey to someone and it wasn't returned, I could tell you more about the apartment building. I have done architectural tours through the area, and I know somewhere I have the date it was constructed written down. Maybe someone else could provide a little history. It has always been one of my favorite buildings.
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#3 John T Roberts

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:57 AM

Jeff, I think the apartments were constructed in 1925.
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#4 Urbndlwr FW

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:57 AM

For mistresses, huh? Not exactly a subtle hiding place, was it? I have a couple of pals who have lived their over the last couple of years and they had really cool places. I think the reason you hear little about it is that they have had enough demand from tenants that they haven't had to market it at all.

I wonder if people will say the same thing about Sundance West and the new Cassidy building in 80 years!
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#5 tcole

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:57 AM

Remember that that structure was vacant for almost 15 years between the late 70's and mid 90's. Success is probably better gauged in the ability to maintain the property. It was run down in the 70's when those "mistresses" had all become geriatrics. BTW, the "mistresses" angle comes from Dan Jenkins' book "Rude Behavior," and Mr. Jenkins has a way of being uncannily correct about local history in a sarcastic way.
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:58 AM

The building is fascinating - I was inside right before it was "redone" in the mid 90s. Lots of neat architecture! From what I have heard (and of course this could be just a rumor), Cullen Davis' father's mistress committed suicide by leaping out of one of the upper windows. Of course so far I have heard nothing to substantiate that (other than the occasional mention of the building housing mistresses).
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#7 mhill

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:58 AM

According to the Historic Resources survey:

"The unique example of a high-rise apartment building in pre-war Fort Worth, the 12-story Forest park Apartments was financed by St. Louis capital and constructed in 1927-1928 by the Churchill-Humphrey Co. of Dallas, at a cost of about $250,000."

An article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Morn. May 3, 1989 states that it was opened in 1930 which goes into some of the stories surrounding the apartment including the suicide of Alma Holmes.
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#8 John T Roberts

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:58 AM

Thanks, Mhill for pulling out the Historic Resources Survey. I appreciate the assistance.
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#9 Jeff Thompson

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:58 AM

Hmmm... not to sound morbid, but I'd like to hear more about this suicide? Know where i might find some details. It would be neat to have a story to go along with some of the strange occurrences that happened while i lived there... did she jump from the 12th floor?

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#10 mhill

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:59 AM

Mrs. Floyd (Alma) Holmes committed suicide on January 12, 1942 by jumping from the her tenth floor living quarters of the Forest Park Apartments. According to the newspaper accounts at the time she was depressed over the war news. Also, the book, Texas vs. Davis by Mike Cochran has a paragraph about the suicide which suggests other reasons. You can check the newspapers at the downtown Public Library and/or the Genealogy
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#11 pmburk

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:59 AM

Jeff - I'm always fascinated by these types of things and I'd love to hear more about the "strange occurrences" in the buildings. I have a few local ghost stories of my own!
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:00 AM

Does anyone know who the property owner of the building is? And how can one find out if their is any vacancies there??? This thread has peaked my interest due to the fact that I both love the berkley place neighborhood and some friends of mine are into the paranormal as well. They have wanted to go into the building for awhile to check out the "ghostly happenings" that some have reported.That, and id like to live there :)

I also found a link as well to the history of the neighborhood at large:

http://www.winiklein...kley_place.html
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#13 Jeff Thompson

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:00 AM

I lived there for a year (Jan 2001 to Dec 2001) and I think you'd have to be there longer than i was to notice any ghostly activities. I lived on the 12th floor in the 2 bedroom corner. Great view of the zoo, and the neighborhood to the south. If you want to see the rest of the cityscape, the roof door is ALWAYS unlocked, or easily opened with a coathanger. The managers name is Pat. Shes an older lady, and is very nice. Not sure who the actual owners are. My apartment was $1400 a month, with only the waterbill paid. If you want undeground garage parking, its an additional $50.00 a month. Oh, and the worst thing about the apartments, other than the price? The wasps/hornets/bees. Its TERRIBLE.. you cannot leave your windows open, and you constantly hear them banging against the 15+ windows. The owners are apparently unable/unwilling to do anything about this either. it sounds like hail. Its impossible to sleep during storms either. The rain POUNDS on the glass. Anyhow, Im looking to move into the electric building now. Anyone got any reviews of that place?
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#14 Kevin Lehnhardt

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:00 AM

I would like to find a website for the building. I want to find it's height. But I'm with you guys, finding any info on it has been hard. Other than what John has told me about it. I searched with Google and didn't turn up much. Mostly just blips about it and other than the pictures John sent me, I haven't seen it anywhere on the net either.

Go check out Skyscrapers.com. Check out the Fort Worth page and search for it there. I added it with the help of John. Again, I would like to find it's height it looks to be around 150 or 160 feet.
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#15 John T Roberts

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:01 AM

Kevin, I don't think it has a web site. I live and work close by, so maybe one of these days, I can call them up and find out some information about the building for you to add.
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#16 Urbndwlr FW

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:01 AM

$1400 for a two bedroom on the 12th floor?
That sounds like a great deal. Are the units that face downtown more expensive? Any idea what the square footage is? I haven't ever been in there,but the structure looks good, and the surrounding 'hood is great. Are the apartments nice?

Maybe there's a stinging insect discount, huh?
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#17 Kevin Lehnhardt

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:02 AM

Yeah if you could find the height of the Forest Park Apartments that would be awesome. Also how many units it has. Older buildings are harder to find heights for and all the technical info since they are older. All the construction documents and technical info can be lost through the years. That's why when a new building is planned I like to get it's height as quick as I can. This is also good since most developers and construction companies love it when you're interested in their new building. Especially if it's a residential building and they might view you as a possible tenant!
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#18 Jeff Thompson

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:02 AM

There are 36 units in the building, including some kind of elevator maintenance room on top, a large storage area in the basement, along with a few smaller offices (in the basement) There are 2 stairwells, and 1 elevator. apparently it used to have 2 elevators, but firecode says you must have 2 stairways. (thats what i was told.) The three bedroom apartments face north, east, and south. The two bedrooms (mine) face south, west, and north (but you cant see downtown.. only to about the old montgomery ward building) and the one bedrooms face north and west. The insides are very nice... The floors are wood, and the walls and ceiling are white painted cement. You cant hear your neighbors at all. I had a drum set, and the neighbors said they could never hear it. its literally a tomb. My apartment had 9 large windows, and 1 small window over the kitchen sink. Every apartment has two entrances. one into the living room, and one into the kitchen. i wish i had somewhere to post pictures, because i took a lot looking outside, as well as in the apartment.. (on the roof too... and i never heard or saw a ghost.. ;P

like i said, the bees, wasps, hornets were the worst part.. management never could (or would) do anything about them. couldnt have any of your windows open in the summer.. at least on 12.

Im now moving into the Houston street lofts on Houston and 9th.. Anyone here been/lived there?
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#19 John T Roberts

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:03 AM

Jeff, about 4 years ago, a friend of mine was looking at apartments. When he looked at the Houston Place Lofts, I was invited to come along. The units seemed real nice and I liked their layout. Parking was available in the adjacent garage.
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#20 Lance Atomic

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:03 AM

To be honest, I like FP in the sense of historical and architectural design. But personally, id rather live downtown. I found the prices are both cheaper and you get less of the "bugs" and "pounding rain" problems. Plus, your close to everything in sundance and 7th street.
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#21 mschrief

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:04 AM

I know the post I'm replying to is very old, but I must comment on the Historic Electric Building.

I lived there when it first opened, I think it s Jan 97. It was terrible. I enjoyed my view, but like the Forest Park apts., I had a wasp problem. They would come into my apartment though the window pull chains. It was awful. And of course, since the building was indeed "historic" the people renovating it couldn't do much with the existing windows, so I was constantly cold in the winter, with single pane windows and a north exposure.

Unfortunately, when the building first opened, the management leased quite a few apartments to silly college kids who would leave their beer bottles in the lobby. The small group of market rate residents would present problems to management, with little effect.

Good luck. Did you ever move there?
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#22 Jeff Thompson

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:04 AM

I currently live in the Houston St. Lofts.. Great place! i love everything about it.. much better than forest park. rent is WAY cheaper too.. And.. in December, the units go up for sale... I plan on purchasing mine.. its up on 7, and faces the convention ceter.. i have a great view.
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 07:09 AM

I have found the height of the Forest Park Apartments. The building is 155' tall.
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Posted 24 June 2004 - 04:21 PM

[FONT=Times][COLOR=green] Hi, I'm new to the forum, but know a good deal about the Forest Park Apartments as I almost moved in there about a year ago. I had not heard about the problems with the winows/rain/wasps...I'm curious why they wouldn't have replaced the windows when they did the renovation back in the mid 90's...any ideas? Any other complaints about living there? I know they had dry cleaning pickup by Kite's Cleaners from your door as an amenity also, which I liked the prospect of.
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Posted 25 June 2004 - 06:26 AM

Welcome, John. They probably didn't replace the windows because at the time, they may not have needed to be replaced. Also, if you are looking at accurately restoring the building, you repair the existing rather than replace it.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:52 PM

At one point Jeff had asked about the Electric Building condos - if I heard correctly, a portion of those were mandated as Section 8 housing. That might affect Jeff's decision.

I like the FP tower as you had complete autonomy to wallpaper, paint, etc etc that you don't always get in rental properties. I have talked with Pat, and she is very kind. The high rates for the FP tower baffle me a little, I would think with the surge in downtown rental properties coming up quickly that they might not be able to demand such high prices, but I guess I am wrong as the FP vacancies tend to fill quickly.

Can someone list the top 10 reasons to live there and the top 10 reasons NOT to live there? I appreciate feedback...
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Posted 16 November 2004 - 11:00 PM

Lance Atomic, on May 16 2004, 08:00 AM, said:

Does anyone know who the property owner of the building is? And how can one find out if their is any vacancies there???
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Lance, call up HELEN PAINTER REALTORS, located on Forest Park, and ask them about it. They are clients of mine, and I know that one of the their agents, (and I'm sorry, my brain is twitching and straining to try and remember which one) is managing the building for her family. I'm sure the afternoon receptionist, Judy, or the agent answering phones in the am, will have more information for you.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:51 AM

I don't know about too many mistresses of oil barons at the Forest Park Apartments. My grandmother certainly wasn't anybody's mistress, but she and my grandfather and their kids briefly lived there in 1929 or 1930 while their new home in Park Hill was being built. My mother used to insist that they had been asked by the management to vacate earlier than planned because the management was upset that my grandmother's maid would be seen in the hallways barefoot. I always doubted this story.

When I was growing up in the 50's I had an elderly aunt and uncle that lived there. They were frequent babysitter for me and my sister, so I have memories of the building from that era, mainly that it smelled of mothballs and pot roast. There were many widows (or former mistresses?) living in the building and the garage was full of Packards and Buicks. I went to Lily B. Clayton Elementary and used to catch the TCU bus home to Park Hill after school. I always liked the way the Forest Park Apartments looked from the street with the stone Forest Park gate houses framing the view.
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Posted 28 July 2005 - 01:03 AM

Gee, I got going on this Forest Park Apartments riff and can't seem to stop. Fast forward a quarter of a century to around 1985. A good friend of mine, a very trendy and design savvy medical student at the Osteopathic medical school has managed to snag a 12th floor corner unit (facting SW I believe), and he turned it into a seriously slick sky palace, which was virtually unheard of (but not undreamed of) in the FW of only 20 years ago. The building only had a few other tenants at the time and a very disagreeable maintainance man, who did not much cotten to my friend's improvements. My friend graduated and moved to Dallas. The building was vacated, supposedly so that it could be converted into luxury condos, a plan that probably crashed along with the late 80's Texas economy. It is nice to learn that the FPA is back in business. I suspect it's appeal (wasps notwithstanding) lies in the fact that it has not been much touched by time.
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 06:28 PM

John T Roberts, on May 16 2004, 07:56 AM, said:

If I had not loaned my South Side Historic Resources Survey to someone and it wasn't returned, I could tell you more about the apartment building. I have done architectural tours through the area, and I know somewhere I have the date it was constructed written down. Maybe someone else could provide a little history. It has always been one of my favorite buildings.
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Copies of the Historic Resources Surveys are still available from Historic Ft. Worth, Inc. Or at least they were a few months ago when I got all but the one about suburbs surrounding Ft. Worth. Also, I see them on ebay every week.

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  Posted 08 August 2005 - 07:28 PM

If I am thinking of the same place, I actually took a tour there some 4 months ago by the landlady. Beautiful views in some of their 2/1 units, floors 7 on up. Plenty of parking avaliable, so I gathered not too many takers. They quoted a price comparable to HPL or Firestone. In their dreams. Nice piece of architecture, but 0 ammenities it seemed. I hope someone buys it and gives it a progressive shove for once. Awesome views of the zoo in the Spring time. Supposedly you could hear the lions ROAR at night and during feeding.

Lots of potential, lots.
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Posted 08 August 2005 - 08:05 PM

1963Parade_of_Homes, on Aug 8 2005, 07:28 PM, said:

Copies of the Historic Resources Surveys are still available from Historic Ft. Worth, Inc.  Or at least they were a few months ago when I got all but the one about suburbs surrounding Ft. Worth.  Also, I see them on ebay every week.

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Jim, I am now on the Board of Directors of Historic Fort Worth, and I have replaced my missing South Side book. It is out of print, but I did get a copy.
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Posted 07 September 2005 - 06:06 AM

Heh, wow, I just noticed the height you have listed for the Forrest Park Apartments John at 155 feet. In my reply above I estimated it's height at between 150 and 160 feet. I'm proud. :D
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Posted 21 November 2005 - 05:17 PM

I was just reading over this post because I am thinking about moving into these apartments. I was wondering if anybody on this forum currently lives there, or has lived there and could give me some info. I was a little concerned about the wasps, and the landlord has been very wishy washy answering my questions. However, I am about to sign a lease and was a little concerned about her mangagement abilities. She has gone back on her word several times, which has led me to believe this could be a bad situation. On the other hand, I absolutely love the building and was wondering if maybe we were just having a personality conflict or communication issues. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with the property and or management of The Forest Park apt.? I know this is an old post, but any information or references would be appreciated!!! biggrin.gif
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  Posted 21 November 2005 - 10:36 PM

I would hold out, I got the SAME XACT impression myself. This was after meeting her on ore than one occassion within a 6 month span. Always a different story with her. If you are late on the rent, that one manager is surely not the sight you want to run in on. Some res. that we know of had said that the building can get a bit noisy at times, you can hear water running from other units too. Oh well, good luck. biggrin.gif
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE(safly @ Nov 21 2005, 10:36 PM) View Post

I would hold out, I got the SAME XACT impression myself. This was after meeting her on ore than one occassion within a 6 month span. Always a different story with her. If you are late on the rent, that one manager is surely not the sight you want to run in on. Some res. that we know of had said that the building can get a bit noisy at times, you can hear water running from other units too. Oh well, good luck. biggrin.gif


Guys - this is so exciting. I currently live in Seattle. But I have such fond memories of living at the Forest Park Apartments, I did a Google search today for pictures of the Forest Park Apartments and I got found forum. My former husband and I moved into the Forest Park Apartments in September 1980 after an article appeared in the Lifestyle section of the Star Telegram. We lived there until July 1983. When we moved in we heard all the stories, Cullen Davis' mistress jumping out the window onto the front lawn. We heard she wrapped a pillow around her head to preserve her face. I saw a picture in another website where the front lawn is no longer there. One of our neighbors had lived in the building since before it was completed in 1928. Most of our neighbors were elderly. We were one of only about a half dozen residence under the age of 60. We heard that millionaires lived there in 1928. It was considered very chic. Even when we lived there many people still considered it a wonderful place. One of our good friends had their wedding reception in our apartment. You might check with the archives at the Star Telegram to see what kind of photos they have. I know they ran another story while we lived there. A photographer came by and took pictures of our apartment as well as many others. I still have the contact sheets with all the pictures that were taken.

We lived on the 11th floor in a 3 bedroom 2 bath apartment. I think we paid $575 per month, plus a prorated utility. We would sit in the windows and watch the thunderstorms roll into downtown Fort Worth. I have a whole slide show of lightening striking the buildings downtown. Our apartment faced south, east and north. After we moved to Austin 1983, we read about an investor buying the building and converting it to condominiums. There was a very cool basement with storage sections and a laundry room. It was kind of scary doing laundry down there at night. But the last time we were in the building they had converted the basement into some sort of social gathering area. I don't really recall.

It was the coolest place I ever lived. Nothing compares.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE(safly @ Aug 8 2005, 07:28 PM) View Post

If I am thinking of the same place, I actually took a tour there some 4 months ago by the landlady. Beautiful views in some of their 2/1 units, floors 7 on up. Plenty of parking avaliable, so I gathered not too many takers. They quoted a price comparable to HPL or Firestone. In their dreams. Nice piece of architecture, but 0 ammenities it seemed. I hope someone buys it and gives it a progressive shove for once. Awesome views of the zoo in the Spring time. Supposedly you could hear the lions ROAR at night and during feeding.

Lots of potential, lots.



We would sit in our living room which faced south, and listen to the lions roar. Sometimes it would be very loud depending on which direction the wind was blowing.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 11:36 PM

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We would sit in our living room which faced south, and listen to the lions roar. Sometimes it would be very loud depending on which direction the wind was blowing.

Evelyn
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I bet Jack White might appreciate some photos from the Forest Park Apartments to add to his collection of historic Fort Worth structures.
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  Posted 11 January 2006 - 12:52 AM

That sounds cool. But at $1450 a month, I'd buy 7 annual zoo passes for me and my friends and listen in. Or just picnic at the nearby park.

I'd love to see those storm pic's though.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE(evelynwood @ Jan 10 2006, 10:28 PM) View Post

Guys - this is so exciting. I currently live in Seattle. But I have such fond memories of living at the Forest Park Apartments, I did a Google search today for pictures of the Forest Park Apartments and I got found forum. My former husband and I moved into the Forest Park Apartments in September 1980 after an article appeared in the Lifestyle section of the Star Telegram. We lived there until July 1983. When we moved in we heard all the stories, Cullen Davis' mistress jumping out the window onto the front lawn. We heard she wrapped a pillow around her head to preserve her face. I saw a picture in another website where the front lawn is no longer there. One of our neighbors had lived in the building since before it was completed in 1928. Most of our neighbors were elderly. We were one of only about a half dozen residence under the age of 60. We heard that millionaires lived there in 1928. It was considered very chic. Even when we lived there many people still considered it a wonderful place. One of our good friends had their wedding reception in our apartment. You might check with the archives at the Star Telegram to see what kind of photos they have. I know they ran another story while we lived there. A photographer came by and took pictures of our apartment as well as many others. I still have the contact sheets with all the pictures that were taken.

We lived on the 11th floor in a 3 bedroom 2 bath apartment. I think we paid $575 per month, plus a prorated utility. We would sit in the windows and watch the thunderstorms roll into downtown Fort Worth. I have a whole slide show of lightening striking the buildings downtown. Our apartment faced south, east and north. After we moved to Austin 1983, we read about an investor buying the building and converting it to condominiums. There was a very cool basement with storage sections and a laundry room. It was kind of scary doing laundry down there at night. But the last time we were in the building they had converted the basement into some sort of social gathering area. I don't really recall.

It was the coolest place I ever lived. Nothing compares.

Evelyn


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Posted 04 February 2006 - 10:52 AM

I haven't posted on here in a while, so I will add for anyone who is interested that I ended up moving into The Forest Park Apartments. I absolutely love the apartments! I got a great deal on my apartment and the management has been better than expected. One of the things that I really enjoy is the most awesome view of the sun setting in the evening. Although I am still waiting to hear a lion roar, overall I am really happy I moved here. I will try to post some pictures.
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Posted 30 April 2006 - 05:02 PM

I live in the Forest Park Apartments as well and love it! The yellow-jacket thing is odd and I wish we had a freight elevator, but it is a joy waking up to the most beautiful views every day. And, watching a thunderstorm roll in is perfect. I adore living here and plan on staying until I'm a little old lady! I'd buy the place if I could. I've yet to meet the ghost, and goodness knows I've tried, but I'm thinking she doesn't like dogs??? Maybe? Having grown up in a "haunted house" I am really hoping to have a little brush with her. We'll see...but for now, this is a great building with really interesting and friendly neighbors and I'm so happy I moved here!
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  Posted 30 April 2006 - 08:51 PM

"Wienerdog" and "Yogagirl," get out your digital cameras; take some pictures around and from that place; and post them for the rest of us to experience vicariously the views you enjoy all the time. biggrin.gif
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Posted 01 May 2006 - 12:08 PM

Well, I don't live there, but I've always thought the building was just lovely. I snapped this pic from the Fort Worth Zoo a few weeks ago:

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 03:22 PM

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I will try to take more if anyone would like me to.

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 03:29 PM

Now we need to get a sunset picture.
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Posted 21 May 2006 - 04:13 PM

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this is from my window

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A picture I took out front

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 04:16 PM

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 04:24 PM

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 10:14 PM

Here are some night pictures from the roof taken at night

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I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this building, cause there apears to be some kind of room on the roof, there are stairs leading to it, and I took a picture of one of the windows and there seems to be a window unit. I was just wondering what this could have been used for.

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