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Intermodal Transportation Center - ITC
#1
Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:43 AM
#2
Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:48 AM
the ITC (come on. let's get a better name… 9th Street Station?)
YES. The current name is so "insider nerd speak". Transportation nodes should be iconic or memorial. 9th Street Station is nice, but M&O Leonard Station would be very appropriate, considering --
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#3
Posted 06 February 2014 - 11:11 AM
Or "Union Station" which is both traditional and a correct terminology....Amtrak, buses, commuter..etc..
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#5
Posted 06 May 2014 - 07:47 AM
Texas Rail Advocates - National Rail Day
http://www.star-tele...t-national.html
I wish that someone representing the Texas HS Rail Commission (former FW councilman and current THSRC chair Bill Meadows?) would be present in an official capacity at this event, or maybe a booth from the Texas Central RR...
#6
Posted 02 September 2018 - 07:39 AM
With the ITC opened now for over 16 years, what are the possible explanations for why the immediate area adjacent to it still remains a desert bereft of development?
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#7
Posted 02 September 2018 - 09:49 AM
With the ITC opened now for over 16 years, what are the possible explanations for why the immediate area adjacent to it still remains a desert bereft of development?
Because it's not part of a comprehensive local rail system. You could not live at the ITC car-free and just depend on public transit. (Well you could, but buses are so icky.)
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#8
Posted 02 September 2018 - 10:53 AM
Because it's not part of a comprehensive local rail system......
But you could live there with at least part of a comprehensive rail system (commuter rail + bus)...right?
There must be some powerful economic benefit to withhold land so ripe for development off of the market. One can rationally suppose that the returns (profit/lower tax rates) from surface parking lots (land) is greater than returns from improvement (buildings) or to ask yourself as you see TOD coming to T&P Station (hotels, residential) while nothing has developed near the ITC in the 16 years since its opening.
Putting the whole of the transit interchange network in one Downtown location has for a long time seem to be a poor strategy for economic development Downtown as the lack of results have now demonstrated.
#9
Posted 02 September 2018 - 06:41 PM
I kinda went over that in this thread, http://www.fortworth...0&hl=+who +owns
Summary is basically that nearby land owners don't really have any incentive to build anything there.
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#10
Posted 02 September 2018 - 11:10 PM
I kinda went over that in this thread, http://www.fortworth...0&hl=+who +owns
Summary is basically that nearby land owners don't really have any incentive to build anything there.
Yeah, you covered it pretty well. This could turnout for the nearby land owners in a manner that they may not like very well...eminent domain should the City require the land to the east of the CC for expansion. After all, the CC was the product of Fed/State Urban Renewal Initiative and it can happen again.
I always understood that in most instances there are two distinctive parts to a project - acquiring the land and then proceeding to developing it; typically land owners are not the both the owner and developer.
I feel that the land owners are being intransigent and uncooperative to some reasonable offers to sell.
#11
Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:26 AM
I kinda went over that in this thread, http://www.fortworth...0&hl=+who +owns
Summary is basically that nearby land owners don't really have any incentive to build anything there.
I believe these property owners would get better offers for their land if there were better headways on the trains at that station. You're going to have to have better than one train an hour headways to see a successful TOD. With both TexRail and Trinity Railway Express running trains there, there will soon be twice as many trains and potentially twice as many pedestrians.
Union Station in Dallas has not encouraged much new development around it either, and it has two light rail lines and the TRE stopping there. Obviously it takes more than just trains to get TODs built around stations.
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#12
Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:36 AM
I kinda went over that in this thread, http://www.fortworth...0&hl=+who +owns
Summary is basically that nearby land owners don't really have any incentive to build anything there.
I believe these property owners would get better offers for their land if there were better headways on the trains at that station. You're going to have to have better than one train an hour headways to see a successful TOD. With both TexRail and Trinity Railway Express running trains there, there will soon be twice as many trains and potentially twice as many pedestrians.
Union Station in Dallas has not encouraged much new development around it either, and it has two light rail lines and the TRE stopping there. Obviously it takes more than just trains to get TODs built around stations.
I don't think it's the hubs that spur the TOD. It's the remote stations that make it possible to get to the hub (downtown) without having to drive. That encourages housing and associated development along the lines that feed the hub. Without a local rail network, there is no TOD.
EDIT: However, just the "threat" of a transit station can get the ball rolling. The District 90/Magnolia on Stanley development(s) are banking heavily on the Berry Street TexRail station that won't be there for several years yet.
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:52 PM
I believe these property owners would get better offers for their land if there were better headways on the trains at that station. You're going to have to have better than one train an hour headways to see a successful TOD......Obviously it takes more than just trains to get TODs built around stations.
I don't think it's the hubs that spur the TOD. It's the remote stations that make it possible to get to the hub (downtown) without having to drive. That encourages housing and associated development along the lines that feed the hub. Without a local rail network, there is no TOD.....EDIT: However, just the "threat" of a transit station can get the ball rolling....
The "Headway Frequency Theory" sounds spurious.
The "Threat Theory" seems reasonable and provable.
Developers have had at least 3 years in advance of the January 2019 opening of Tarrant Express Rail and 18 years now since the opening of Trinity Express Rail. This is fixed or the promise of rail service when and where such known factor has meant TOD along several sections where there is fixed rail; and yet, there is nothing on the horizon along Jones Street/Downtown @ ITC.
TOD is already underway in Grapevine and North Richland Hills; and now along Vickery Blvd Downtown. Delaying TOD until frequency increases does not sound rational. This kind of evidential development suggests that the "Headway Frequency Theory is inoperable in this case.
There may be a more plausible explanation. This would be the City doing things or signaling to the owners the need to keep the lots at bay so that they will be available for CC expansion....Convention Center Hotel + CC Space. Should that be the explanation, then that would be satisfactory.
#14
Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:07 PM
In January, the Trinity Metro board approved its new name, but deferred voting on the logo they didn't like. They also deferred renaming the ITC as "Metro Center."
A month later, they approved the logo they didn't like (without discussion), but there was no mention of renaming the ITC.
What happened to the plan to rename the ITC?
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#15
Posted 05 September 2018 - 12:27 PM
This area shouldn't even need transit to develop, the land is pretty prime as is with it's close proximity to downtown and the CC. Transit is a (huge) bonus. When land does come available it's been snapped up (The old United Way building became the Hampton, the L shaped parking lot will be a 17+ story apartment tower).
Hopefully the gov run institutions that own much of the area will build fitting developments in the area, we know A&M is planning an expansion and Trinity Metro will probably do something with it's lot out front.
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#16
Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:42 PM
This area shouldn't even need transit to develop, the land is pretty prime as is with it's close proximity to downtown and the CC. Transit is a (huge) bonus. When land does come available it's been snapped up (The old United Way building became the Hampton, the L shaped parking lot will be a 17+ story apartment tower).....
Pretty much what I think also.
Its either the City urging the owners to stay pat or its the owner yet finding an offer that they like.
As to a new name for the ITC, lets just remember who chose its current name which should tell all you need to know.
The renaming of the FWTA to be Trinity Metro was a ho hum choice...Name the first ten things that come to mind to people in Fort Worth and Greater; Trinity would not be on or near the top of the list; except that FWTA has a envisions itself as a mutli county transit agency (Denton,Wise,Parker,Dallas,Collin,Ellis,Rockwall,Cooke). Any one of these counties are Trinity River counties. Heck, just call it the FWTA "Tarrant Metro".
A great name for ITC would simply be "Tarrant Station" full stop!
#17
Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:21 PM
In January, the Trinity Metro board approved its new name, but deferred voting on the logo they didn't like. They also deferred renaming the ITC as "Metro Center."
A month later, they approved the logo they didn't like (without discussion), but there was no mention of renaming the ITC.
What happened to the plan to rename the ITC?
Metro Center. It would be so easy to find with a Google search.
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#18
Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:46 PM
There's a Castles N' Coasters in the parking lot. Does that make it "intermodal"?
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