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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:23 AM

I've never seen so much anger on this board in the face of progress.  Usually we're all so giddy that someone's going to put a shovel in the ground that we won't start complaining for days afterward.

 

It looks to me like Greanleaf will still connect to White Settlement.  I think that's good in that you'll have access from both sides, but not a throughstreet.  By the way, I think White Settlement is going to get some suburban type development that everyone here will hate (Wal-Marts and the like).  But I also think that will lead to a complete redevelopment of the area bounded by 7th, White Settlement, the River and University.



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:35 PM

I think White Settlement is going to get some suburban type development that everyone here will hate (Wal-Marts and the like).  But I also think that will lead to a complete redevelopment of the area bounded by 7th, White Settlement, the River and University.

 

Will this be a different complete redevelopment than the one that's been underway for the last ten years? 



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 03:09 PM

Fort Worthology is correct. There will be no reduction in the levee on the west side of the river/diversion channel. That's what keeps West 7th from flooding. The diversion channel is to allow the levees to be removed from the river at the confluence and the oxbow as it passes downtown north of the courthouse. To open up and redevelop all the old industrial land between Ellis Pecan and Paddock Viaduct.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:31 PM

One thing that may alleviate some of West 7th's traffic issue is the proposed Trinity Parkway - a parkway through Trinity Park that will start at Trinity Park Drive (near Chuys at So7) and will terminate on University just South of Farrington Field.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:55 PM

The Trinity Parkway plan was abandoned several years ago, unless the city has brought up the idea again. 



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:07 PM

I was about to ask.... Trinity Parkway? 


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:29 AM

At this point in time the city and city transit authorities should be in a position to provide developers of properties like the "Left Bank" with some guidance on where future streetcar/light rail tracks might be most likely to run. My guess is that there is no such plan in place at all.

 

The "transit station" pictured in the Left Bank preliminary plans posted (thanks Austin55) is most likely based on an alternative alignment for what is now referred to as the TEXRail that was abandoned a few years back after a series of public hearings and a "study". Those FWWR tracks could have easily connected the TXRail line from the Stockyards into the formerly envisioned SW line from the Hospital District down to past Wedgwood. I spoke at one of those meetings suggesting that if this line was adopted a streetcar "connector" could have been constructed from the 9th Street Station (ITC) down 9th St. onto 10th St, across the river on a dedicated bridge to a second station on the FWWR line serving the Westside. The final administrative decision of course was to consolidate all commuter rail traffic at the ITC and "postpone" the SW line in favor of trying to build from downtown to the airport.

 

All that said, I could see a streetcar line "snaking" from Downtown west along 5th, crossing the Trinity over a dedicated bridge connecting to westside 5th St. at the Left Bank Project, continuing across the Montgomery Plaza development and on to Currie St., where it would turn south through the new developments there, and then west onto Lancaster just west of the Trinity bridge approach. There is plenty of room on the south south side of Lancaster to widen the street to allow for safe streetcar/LR ROW all the way to Camp Bowie, where the line could run down the median all the way to Ridglea. 

 

A branch line could depart at Gendy Street and head south a few blocks to provide weekend service to gun shows, concerts and whizbangs at WRMC, Stock Show season attractions, and events at the future Bass-Rogers Rodeo Show Arena. 

 

OK, so my idea doesn't go down 7th St. But it also doesn't screw up the traffic there much, other than crossing 7th at Currie. 7th Street is a major west-side artery, and traffic there into and out of downtown can be testy as it is; more development in the area is going to only add to the congestion. "Completing the grid" wherever possible will help local traffic by providing alternative routes, and better facilities for pedestrians and bikes will go a step further in this regard. I think the main thing is that streetcars are not tying up traffic at the Camp Bowie/University/7th intersection using this alignment, and the trains would help to encourage dense development along under-developed blocks of 5th St. while serving new dense development along Currie. 

 

If this sort of plan was already envisioned, and had some EIS work already under the bridge, I bet the developers at Left Bank would be totally onboard with providing right of way and other infrastructure assistance (like help with the grade separation at the FWWR tracks for example). The sorry state our city leaders have left streetcar/LR transit sitting in after rejecting the federal grant Dallas now is using to extend streetcar traffic into Oak Cliff will make it difficult to efficiently and economically integrate this inevitable transportation mode into the fast-approaching future city.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:39 PM

Surprised there aren't more buildings facing the river/downtown, but the plan looks good to me otherwise.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:51 PM

Surprised there aren't more buildings facing the river/downtown, but the plan looks good to me otherwise.

 

I try to stay optimistic with things like that. 

The way I look at it, it hasn't been built yet and these are just plans. Those plans can (and do) change...


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:17 AM

Why aren't any of the people online talking about the construction that actually is going on off 7th street close to the UNT health and Science Center.? Its a office and hotel development and it looks as if they are about to start working on the foundation. 



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:53 AM

^ I believe you're thinking of Museum Place. Thread, http://www.fortworth...e=11#entry84956

 

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I had a few questions about the siteplan that I haven't seen discussed. I've annotated them Below

 

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1-Anyone know what these dots and the circle around it them represent?

2-Curious about what these things are. The upper one in particular. The lower one just seems to be an extension of the building. 

3-This garage is listed as 2 floors, I'm wondering if maybe there will be residential unit floors built above the garage. These units would actually have a river and downtown view, anything under 2 stories would probably just be looking at the levee, perhaps why the garage would be that height. 

4-No question here, just noticing how nice those bulb outs are. Mmmm. 

5-The most disappointing part to me is this lot. Seems like would've been prime space for riverfront views.  Surprised to see that the hotel wouldn't build an attached garage either. Maybe in the future or something.

6-This sidewalk could really be something nice if well landscaped. 

7-It'll be interesting to see how the retailers orient the main entrance into thier stores, whether it be onto 7th or into the parking lots. 



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 10:54 AM

Why aren't any of the people online talking about the construction that actually is going on off 7th street close to the UNT health and Science Center.? Its a office and hotel development and it looks as if they are about to start working on the foundation. 

 

Yeah, you'll start hearing more about that in the coming months... 


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 12:03 PM

 

Why aren't any of the people online talking about the construction that actually is going on off 7th street close to the UNT health and Science Center.? Its a office and hotel development and it looks as if they are about to start working on the foundation. 

 

Yeah, you'll start hearing more about that in the coming months... 

 

LOL I posted this on the wrong thread, My bad lmao



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 12:46 AM

 
7-It'll be interesting to see how the retailers orient the main entrance into thier stores, whether it be onto 7th or into the parking lots. 


Yuck. I guess we already know the answer to this one since all customers will arrive by car.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 07:40 AM

 

I think White Settlement is going to get some suburban type development that everyone here will hate (Wal-Marts and the like).  But I also think that will lead to a complete redevelopment of the area bounded by 7th, White Settlement, the River and University.

 

Will this be a different complete redevelopment than the one that's been underway for the last ten years? 

 

 

Yeah, yeah, smarty pants.

 

Take a look at a map of that area.  I would call what we have there now an "incomplete" redevelopment of the area.  There's no draw to develop much North of 7th, and certainly not North of Wingate.  All the current development is focused on 7th street and access to that corridor.  And if you only consider what's actually been built in that area, it's pretty limited.

 

Absent some meaningful investment into White Settlement Rd., there will be nothing but restaurant supply stores and automotive related businesses in the North half of that area, something completely different from the mixed use, pedestrian friendly, urban chic stuff going on in W 7th in general. 

 

So, yes, very explicitly, this will be  "a different complete redevelopment than the one that's been underway for the last ten years."



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:00 AM

Take a look at a map of that area.  I would call what we have there now an "incomplete" redevelopment of the area.  There's no draw to develop much North of 7th, and certainly not North of Wingate.  All the current development is focused on 7th street and access to that corridor.  And if you only consider what's actually been built in that area, it's pretty limited.

 

If I were a big developer - I would wait until after TRV is completed before putting anything in on WS.

 

If as you say a big-box Walmart or something goes in on WS, and then it's followed by lots and lots of walkable mixed-use residential / retail developments, you'd have a hard time convincing me that the Walmart caused the subsequent redevelopment.  Not in the same way that, say, the Super Target can be said to have catalyzed the subsequent redevelopment of 7th street.  Why?  Because the whole area is already redeveloping.  Linwood is undergoing a massive transformation. 

 

I remember reading an article in the FW Weekly in something like 2002 about the "upcoming massive transformation of the area bounded by University, W 7th, White Settlement, and the Trinity".   So saying some future hypothetical Walmart will be the trigger for this in-progress transformation seems to be a stretch. 



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:05 AM

I was about to ask.... Trinity Parkway? 

 

This is the signal to grab your pitchforks and torches.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 08:57 PM

Anyone attend the Trinity Left Bank presentation tonight that West Miller gave?  I saw a picture posted up by TRWD but wasn't there myself.



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 06:20 AM

I wasn't there, either.  But Mr. Nishimura of the Fort Worth Business Press was...

 

 

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:16 AM

So there won't be any levee views out of the hotel, smart. Infinity pool to, can't think of any in FW. 



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:16 AM

Based on what I read, if this is done right then it could bring more business to the shoppes already on 7th Street. I just honestly dont know about building on the levee. Can someone please explain that to me. 



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:38 AM

So there won't be any levee views out of the hotel, smart. Infinity pool to, can't think of any in FW. 

 

The hotel will sit atop a multi-level garage; sounds like there will be unobstructed views of the skyline -

 

"The 150-room hotel would likely be built on a parking garage “pedestal” to bring the first floor of the hospitality space level with the levee. First-floor amenities could include an infinity pool and restaurant with bar and outdoor space, as well as direct walking and bike access to the levee and river". - FWBP



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 06:57 PM

I just honestly dont know about building on the levee. Can someone please explain that to me. 


They aren't building on the levee. They're building next to it.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:52 PM

ST has an article out today to, with a couple of interesting things.

 

-"No chain restaurants." Neat!

 

-"We're not trying to bring Dallas to Fort Worth" Well that's good. 

 

-"A public square and a promenade on the levee are planned" So, maybe something wil; be built on the levee? But no buildings. 

 

-Phase one, inclduing the 150 room hotel, 100,000 sq feet of retail and 600 resi units are expected to be ready fall of 2016, which seems awfully soon to me.



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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:03 PM

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-"A public square......

 

Would be nice to have one of those in this town... Wonder if that's really what they mean?? (vs Private square aka Sundance)



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:15 AM

Can someone explain to me what  "We're not trying to bring Dallas to Fort Worth" means?

Seriously. What, we can't have any major development here without people thinking that we're trying to be like Dallas? As if Dallas is the ONLY city in the world and we're not a city that needs to build to coincide with its growth?


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 09:47 AM

We've now come full circle. When a Dallas developer brings a project to FW or a development has outlets that got their start in Dallas, we complain. Now we have a developer openly saying their trying to avoid that and we complain. Some people just aren't happy with anything unless they can find a way to complain about it.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 01:40 PM

If that post is directed to mine, it's not complaining about the developer.

 

It's really about the people here who think, "Oh, more development? Light Rail? A new arena? ...we're turning into Dallas"

I've never understood that. It's like when I told someone at Oliver's about the boutique hotel that will replace the surface lot across the street and the future development to the blocks near east of D.R. Horton Tower, and his response is: "They need to stop trying to turn this place into Dallas".

I just don't get that. It's as if to some people in this city, Fort Worth and Dallas are the only two cities on the planet or something.
 


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:09 PM

I don't understand the need to get so bent out of shape about everything. It's all about context. Dallas is 30 minutes away. To a lot of people, it's the biggest city they're aware of and the best example of urban development to which they can relate. To pretend that it's unusual or asinine to bring up Fort Worth and Dallas in the same breath when discussing development is just looking for a reason to gripe. Do some people get it wrong like the example you mention? Sure, but the developer of Left Bank is just trying to sell his development.

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:41 PM

It's not so much the comparison of the two cities as it is the NEGATIVE implication people throw into it.

 

What I'm basically talking about are those who keep treating Fort Worth as if it's still some small cow town that's not supposed to have these developments or amenities for some reason.  


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:42 PM

If that post is directed to mine, it's not complaining about the developer.

 

It's really about the people here who think, "Oh, more development? Light Rail? A new arena? ...we're turning into Dallas"

I've never understood that. It's like when I told someone at Oliver's about the boutique hotel that will replace the surface lot across the street and the future development to the blocks near east of D.R. Horton Tower, and his response is: "They need to stop trying to turn this place into Dallas".

I just don't get that. It's as if to some people in this city, Fort Worth and Dallas are the only two cities on the planet or something.
 

I try to ignore dummies like that. lol

 

The same people will go to Dallas Maverick/Stars games or concerts at the AAC.



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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

It's not so much the comparison of the two cities as it is the NEGATIVE implication people throw into it.
 
What I'm basically talking about are those who keep treating Fort Worth as if it's still some small cow town that's not supposed to have these developments or amenities for some reason.


Okay, I get that. It makes even less sense with this development, since it's a lot like some development in Dallas. Maybe a better comparison would have been, "It will be a lot like W7th."

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:16 PM

 

It's not so much the comparison of the two cities as it is the NEGATIVE implication people throw into it.
 
What I'm basically talking about are those who keep treating Fort Worth as if it's still some small cow town that's not supposed to have these developments or amenities for some reason.


Okay, I get that. It makes even less sense with this development, since it's a lot like some development in Dallas. Maybe a better comparison would have been, "It will be a lot like W7th."

 

 

Maybe it would be. But I always hear Dallas and it was mentioned again, so that's why I brought it up. 


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 06:52 PM

Concern or not to worry? :eek:

 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 07:26 PM

It's a concern, and both sides (the city and the developer) are bargaining, trying to get the best deal for their interests.


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Posted 23 August 2014 - 07:11 AM

This is what happens when "new money" comes to town. The City is suddenly uninterested in helping make things happen.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 12:03 PM

I totall agree with the city's concerns and think that needs to be ironed out if they want government help.

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 01:46 PM

I totall agree with the city's concerns and think that needs to be ironed out if they want government help.

 

The second paragraph in of the report reads:
 

"The situation is unusual because the 35-acre site has adequate access today, officials say, but access from the north will be cut off in several years by the planned Panther Island river bypass channel. And vexing to the developer has been its inability to reach a deal with the Fort Worth & Western Railroad for at least one grade-level crossing to the west that city officials say would be key in solving the access and traffic issue". FWBP

 

The city's concern seems to be about a project several years from ever being completed, if at all, Panther Island.  As the city waits for the next move by P.I., how are those concerns so important as to possibly jeopardize TLB?   And then there is the RR issue; Railroads in general seem to be less than cooperative; why?

 

TLB has shown its readiness to get started with largely its own investments.  This is more credible than P.I. which is counting on funding from the Feds who has shown an unwillingness to fund really simple basic infrastructure.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 01:53 PM

And then there is the RR issue; Railroads in general seem to be less than cooperative; why?


Because they are factories to print money. And they were here first in most cases. They have more time and money than any other stakeholders to force a stalemate.

I see this one getting worked out one way or another. This is too big of a project with too much money at stake to not go through one way or another. The dang article lists solutions that make sense. It's just a matter of the will to make it happen lining up with the money.

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 02:47 PM

Price said the intersection looks “very awkward.”

 

 

Is that in your professional traffic engineer opinion Betsy?

 

Just Wow.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 03:15 PM

This is what happens when "new money" comes to town. The City is suddenly uninterested in helping make things happen.

 

I am glad to have P.I. and the new WRMC arena; but these Granger and Bass projects, respectively, have never seem to hit any roadblocks.  Streets alignments sailed thru without a hiccup; presumably all with some public money.  Really, the P.I. project has become somewhat of puzzle to me with all of its surrounding complexity.  Developers are being asked to adjust to a vision?  Centergy is vexed and so will others be vexed at FW Fire and FW RR if TLB falls victim to such mentality.

 

I hope that the mayor's concerns are legitimate, especially if there is some risk of TBL not coming to fruition; and Price and FWRR will get to share the blame.

 

A story like this is certainly being watched by potential investors from outside and could possibly send a wrong message to the "new money".



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:54 AM

My first post in a very long time. Glad to be back. I didn't notice a link anywhere to this listing so i thought I would post it. 

 

http://s.lnimg.com/a...20AC7978C74.pdf

 

http://www.loopnet.c...px?LID=18748264


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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:14 PM

NSFW, thanks for the links.  These access issues should be solved in order to promote development.  In many of these cases, I can't understand why all parties don't try harder to work together to make things happen.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:17 PM

Is it just me or does the building NSFW shared not line up with the site plan?



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

I don't think it does.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:42 PM

The address in the link is 2222 W. 7th St. Isn't that the location of the Palm Beach Tan and SouthWest bank?


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Posted 24 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

It doesn't, but It looks nice and I see how it would fit in with the area.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 08:07 PM

I don't think so. Across the street is Trinity Park and the police officers memorial.

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 08:31 PM

You're right. Maybe I was looking at the maps wrong and now that i am looking at them again, I did. Now I'm wondering if they are redoing the entire development. Seeing that it does not match.



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Posted 25 August 2014 - 09:19 AM

Back when I among all other Fort Worth residents learned about the Trinity River Vision project, the logic seemed to be that the Corps of Engineers would do their re-channeling work, followed by the city building the infrastructure, followed by the economic development.  To borrow an old cliché, the TRV would be the horse that drives the cart, the cart being, ultimately, economic development.  Now it seems at least one tiny portion of the cart (i.e., the Left Bank mixed-used development project) has been thrust in front of the horse.  And the horse (i.e., the TRV) won't be hitched up for several more years.

 

The result is lack of coordination between the parties:  TRV authorities, the city of Fort Worth, and this anxious and ambitious developer.  It started with the city planning to build bridges even before the Corps re-channeling has begun.  Now, a developer wants to build in Trinity Uptown (aka Panther Island), but is running up against access hurdles caused by future re-channeling and bridge work.

 

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong about this cart-before-the-horse analogy.







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