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#2051 TLA

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Posted 09 March 2024 - 11:08 AM

Roverone, that’s a question I’ve been thinking about recently. As a lifelong Texan, most greenfield development I’ve seen are what you describe. The master planned communities sprawling out of Austin or north of Dallas or the corporate campuses in your example. The typical Texas ideal of we have the room, let’s spread out. Is this a uniquely Texas or North American thing or a 20th/21st century thing? I don’t know, all of the above.

Your Vegas example is interesting. I returned from a work trip there for the first time since the Pandemic. I forgot how much of it feels like an interconnected series of malls and seemingly no straight lines. Anyways, the greenfield that I’ve seen developed that is ‘dense but is it urban’ could be The Domain in Austin and basically its little brother the Shops at ClearFork. There’s lots of residential, office, and commercial space. However, does ClearFork feel like an urban neighborhood? I’d argue no. Some of it is weird design decisions or mandates like the Las Colinas pics above. Weirdly, the red fire lane curbs instantly make me think I’m in artificial density, it gives office park vibes rather than neighborhood vibes.

What excites me about Fort Worth is the urban settings growing out of areas that have been in the core of the city. I welcome the Panther Island project to have its urban ambitions. However, it’s adjacent to downtown. I’d be much more impressed if a developer built a dense, urban neighborhood in a far out exurb.

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Posted 09 March 2024 - 01:19 PM

 

I'm saying I want them to start this off right and be much more urban in form.

 

 

I can't argue with that.



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Posted 13 March 2024 - 01:30 PM

"Who will be able to afford to live on Fort Worth’s future Panther Island? What we know."
By Harrison Mantas
 


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Posted 13 March 2024 - 02:27 PM

 

"Who will be able to afford to live on Fort Worth’s future Panther Island? What we know."
By Harrison Mantas
 

 

 

I'm nervous about stories like this.  No one has been able to live there for so very very many years while the project has just been an expensive stalled idea.  Do I really want pressure on developers to make it less financially attractive to develop?  I also think lots of stories like this are missing the important other side of costs of land and construction -- I honestly don't know how those work out for an area like this, but for sure they must be a part of the conversation.  Would giving some land away for free be enough to meet an affordable goal?  I expect probably not.  I think the best we can hope for is some efficiency-sized units that are a little more affordable simply because they are smaller -- but if it has a bathroom and a kitchen, it is not like the costs are going to scale just by square footage.

 

I can't believe that an increase in inventory will have a long term negative impact on overall housing costs, so in that way every development helps.  The article mentions something akin to gentrification for the surrounding areas.  I don't think neighborhoods are ever static: at any moment they are going up or they are going down in value.  Development inside the loop very often includes some displacement -- I'm not sure that we should be pushing developers to the city limits.


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Posted 13 March 2024 - 03:40 PM

Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy

 

(with a misspelling in the first sentence...) 



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Posted 13 March 2024 - 06:50 PM

Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy

 

(with a misspelling in the first sentence...) 

 

So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?

 

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Posted 13 March 2024 - 07:33 PM

 

Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy

 

(with a misspelling in the first sentence...) 

 

So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?

 

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. . . who are these people? 

BREAKING NEWS: "Some Fort Worthians are afraid of Panther Island... becoming what it was designed to be."


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Posted 13 March 2024 - 07:38 PM

Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?

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Posted 13 March 2024 - 09:36 PM

 

 

"Who will be able to afford to live on Fort Worth’s future Panther Island? What we know."
By Harrison Mantas
 

 

 

I'm nervous about stories like this.  No one has been able to live there for so very very many years while the project has just been an expensive stalled idea.  Do I really want pressure on developers to make it less financially attractive to develop?  I also think lots of stories like this are missing the important other side of costs of land and construction -- I honestly don't know how those work out for an area like this, but for sure they must be a part of the conversation.  Would giving some land away for free be enough to meet an affordable goal?  I expect probably not.  I think the best we can hope for is some efficiency-sized units that are a little more affordable simply because they are smaller -- but if it has a bathroom and a kitchen, it is not like the costs are going to scale just by square footage.

 

I can't believe that an increase in inventory will have a long term negative impact on overall housing costs, so in that way every development helps.  The article mentions something akin to gentrification for the surrounding areas.  I don't think neighborhoods are ever static: at any moment they are going up or they are going down in value.  Development inside the loop very often includes some displacement -- I'm not sure that we should be pushing developers to the city limits.

 

 

And it is starting to feel like Goldilocks and the Three Bears: Not too tall, Not too expensive, Not overshadowing downtown, Not displacing anyone.  

 

I ultimately think what the TRV / Northside needs start thinking strategically about is how to clean up and phase out some of these industrial sites and plug some of these gas wells. 



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Posted 14 March 2024 - 12:25 PM

The consultants they interviewed also suggested a step-down approach, so tall towers aren’t built next to single family neighborhoods in the north side and Marine Park neighborhoods.
 
Do they even know the area they are consulting on?  Marine Park would not be considered next to Panther Island.  It would be almost a mile away from the northern edge of the channel so any "Skyscrapers" are not going to have an impact.  Also the only neighborhood that would be close is a small sliver between Northside Dr and Grand Ave to the west of Main St that lies to the north of Oakwood Cemetery.  So with the cemetery, the railroad tracks, a block of industrial warehouses, the new park frontage and the channel in between the Island and the Northside I doubt "skyscrapers" would have any effect on the neighborhood.
 
I'm perplexed as to why they would make that statement unless they have only looked at the area from a map.  They sound under informed to me or just clueless.

Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?

As a resident of the Northside I'm hoping the new skyscrapers will block Burnett Plaza from my view.



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Posted 14 March 2024 - 08:15 PM

 


Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?

As a resident of the Northside I'm hoping the new skyscrapers will block Burnett Plaza from my view.

 

I live near Hulen/City View and I second this. 


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Posted 14 March 2024 - 09:14 PM

Burnett Plaza is a product of its time.  By the way, in the winter at night when it is outlined, I can see it through the trees from my front yard.


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Posted 14 March 2024 - 10:01 PM

Burnett Plaza is a product of its time.  By the way, in the winter at night when it is outlined, I can see it through the trees from my front yard.

 

It could at least have a different lighting system...

Honestly, I'd say the same about 777 Main. 


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Posted 14 March 2024 - 10:13 PM

I’ve learned to love Burnett Plaza, but if new skyscrapers block it. Bring them on.

John, I also can see Burnett from my street after the leaves falls. You can see Burnett and other downtown buildings from near Daggett Elementary on Elizabeth. A few of those North-South roads from Elizabeth are pleasant to bike on and occasionally give a glimpse of downtown.

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Posted 15 March 2024 - 07:48 AM

There are many locations along the north-south streets where you can see the skyline.  I've seen the skyline change over the years from all of these streets, since I grew up in the area.


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Posted 15 March 2024 - 09:10 AM

Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?

...Sorry, I'm still on this.

Are there REALLY people who are complaining about the skyline view being blocked? 

Because if there are, that's new to me. Never once have I heard of anyone complaining about a skyline view being blocked... mainly because that's a COMMON THING in every major city, that's not in Asia or South America. 

There are neighborhoods and parts of the city that won't get a view of even one skyscraper. I live within the 820 loop and can't see it from my apartment. And mine is facing a direction where it would be. 


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Posted 15 March 2024 - 10:49 AM

I’ve learned to love Burnett Plaza, but if new skyscrapers block it. Bring them on.

John, I also can see Burnett from my street after the leaves falls. You can see Burnett and other downtown buildings from near Daggett Elementary on Elizabeth. A few of those North-South roads from Elizabeth are pleasant to bike on and occasionally give a glimpse of downtown.

I don't completely despise it and I have learned to tolerate it since it's not going anywhere.  I think I would like it a bit more if it wasn't the fact that it's our tallest building.  If we had 2 or 3 buildings taller than I wouldn't really give it a second thought.



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Posted 15 March 2024 - 11:00 AM

 

Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?

...Sorry, I'm still on this.

Are there REALLY people who are complaining about the skyline view being blocked? 

From what I took from the article the concern seemed to come more from the consultants who, as well as adjust height restrictions to add density, want to loosen the minimum height restrictions because they said that it would give developers more flexibility to create shops, restaurants and music and art venues.



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Posted 15 March 2024 - 10:40 PM

 


From what I took from the article the concern seemed to come more from the consultants who, as well as adjust height restrictions to add density, want to loosen the minimum height restrictions because they said that it would give developers more flexibility to create shops, restaurants and music and art venues.

 

Let's not and just say we did. I'd hate to see suburban style development on the island.


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Posted 18 March 2024 - 06:37 AM

The Star-Telegram series continues,
Who will be able to afford to live on Panther Island? What we know

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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:30 AM

 

 

 

The consultant report from HR&A Advisors of Dallas recommended the city allow for more flexibility to attract a variety of development. Suggestions include lowering some of the height minimums to allow for more single story buildings like libraries, shops and townhomes. The report does not mention including single family neighborhoods.

*sigh*


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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:37 AM

 

 

 

 

The consultant report from HR&A Advisors of Dallas recommended the city allow for more flexibility to attract a variety of development. Suggestions include lowering some of the height minimums to allow for more single story buildings like libraries, shops and townhomes. The report does not mention including single family neighborhoods.

*sigh*

 

 

Libraries, plural?  Now they're just toying with us.



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Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:26 PM


 


Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
 
(with a misspelling in the first sentence...) 

 
So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?
 
Untitled%20design%20(1).jpg
 
 
. . . who are these people? 

BREAKING NEWS: "Some Fort Worthians are afraid of Panther Island... becoming what it was designed to be."
Do these crazy people not realize they live in the core of the city? Let Fort Worth grow without height restrictions!

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Posted 19 March 2024 - 07:29 PM

How exactly will Panther Islands new bypass channel prevent flooding in Fort Worth?

BY LUKE RANKER MARCH 19, 2024 5:17 PM

https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy

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Posted 19 March 2024 - 07:51 PM

I got all excited that Luke was back.

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Posted 26 March 2024 - 10:35 AM

Record ZC-24-030: 
Zoning Change
Record Status: Applied
 
Project Description:
PANTHER ISLAND
 
Proposed Use:
TEXT AMENDMENT
 
Record ZC-24-029: 
Zoning Change
Record Status: Applied
 
Project Description:
TEXT AMENDMENTS - BATCH PLANT
 
 
 






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