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#1 beverly

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 07:15 PM

Can anyone tell me if the Sinclair Building is still up for sale? Just curious.
What buildings in downtown Ft. Worth are empty and for sale? I check the commercial web sites for sales and searches but I thought someone may have information in their hip pocket pertaining to commercial buildings for sale?
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 09:51 PM

QUOTE(beverly @ Apr 12 2006, 08:15 PM) View Post

Can anyone tell me if the Sinclair Building is still up for sale? Just curious.
What buildings in downtown Ft. Worth are empty and for sale? I check the commercial web sites for sales and searches but I thought someone may have information in their hip pocket pertaining to commercial buildings for sale?
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The Sinclair is sold, Myself and a partner have an offer in on it if it falls through but it doesnt look as if it is. I am told they have many other offers including one cash offer.

I do know of another historic building for sale that hasnt been listed yet, I am putting together an offer at the present time with my partner (Robert Bell), if you might be interested in joining us feel free to PM me.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 04:40 PM

Yeah, I heard too that some cash offers ($6.45 million?) were sent their way, from an ENERGY GROUP out of St. Louis in particular. Owners pondering.

More money than God these people have.

They want to bridge a catwalk across 5th? street and develop the parking lot across there, which the Sinclair owners will have. More retail facing Main and 5th?, and multi level parking.

Building was listed at $7million at one time. Just about that much was put in for improvements and maintenance. Very nice building.
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Posted 29 September 2017 - 08:36 PM

An Urban CVS Pharmacy for Downtown.  How did this exciting news get by us?

 

https://www.dfwi.org...ll-be-different

 

 

 

(Oh, it was posted under the "Sinclair Building is Sold"). :unsure:



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 04:56 PM

 

 Again, not a rebuttal to anything you said, IMO, the emphasis being placed on competing with Dallas for businesses needing office space is going to be daunting. Fort Worth doesn't have an available pipeline of speculative new, cutting edge office space that businesses will be demanding. 

 

It seems that 1 or 2 realty groups control the Downtown Market.  Until Downtown becomes less of a monopolistic district and more open to where speculators like Jetta can come in with the willingness to build 21st Century office spaces,  there will be a revolving door through which office space will be largely under the management of Sundance....

 

To a VERY large degree your correct in this statement, while I don't know I would say it is those two families/companies, but one of the biggest differences between Dallas and Ft Worth when it comes to land is in Dallas, everything has a price and at the end of the day, usually a reasonable one depending on what your buying. Ft Worth on the other hand is much the opposite, land in downtown and even surrounding areas in many cases have been in families for generations and many times quite frankly .... there is no price, or at least sensible price. I remember looking at a nice piece 5 years or so back about 2 acres vacant, hasn't been anything on it in decades and when we approached the owners, "not for sale" I mentioned, "everything has a price", the guy looked at me quizzically and said well, that's true, but I don't think your going to be willing to pay 10 mil for it and that's what it would take. D vs FW .... totally different worlds when it comes to buying land and doing developments.

 

 

Your impression about Downtown is both eye opening and confirming. 

 

(1) Why Fort Worth land is held to be so pricey in comparison to Dallas does not seem to make sense; and

(2)  it is confirming that land in Downtown is too concentrated in the hands of a few. 

 

Those with the holdings are apparently not very interested in growth, but rather holding on to their parcel of land for whatever reason.  IMO, land in Downtown Fort Worth should be available at similar pricing in Dallas. These landholders have hampered a building boom that other Texas cities have now experienced twice over the last 4 decades. 

 

At last, a Fort Worth boom seems to be surfacing and our frustration is coming to an end.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 07:21 AM

Construction has started on the CVS pharmacy at 515 Houston Street (see the first announcement of the project in the Fort Worth, Inc. article, Post #4).  This appears to be the only construction project ongoing in downtown of late, if you discount work on the apartment building near the Chesapeake Tower or the city's construction of the Hemphill-Lamar connector off Lancaster.  New high-rise hotels and condos still lie in the future, at least we hope so.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 08:34 AM

The Sinclair building hotel conversion is still under construction and, even though progress is glacial at this point, it looks like some work is happening on the Hilton annex.  Yeah, things are quiet right now.  There's a lot of proposed and rumored projects in the hopper right now.



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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:12 AM

DFWI has a good list of all thier ongoing projects.

 

https://www.dfwi.org...cts/development



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Posted 26 November 2018 - 11:48 PM

Often thinking to myself, this has always felt like a gaping void in Downtown's Performace District.  This truly makes sense, doesn't it?

 

Across the street from Bass Hall -

 

http://www.fortworth...5ea3586231.html



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Posted 20 March 2019 - 02:22 PM

 

.... Just a word of encouragement to the naysayers on this forum - Fort Worth is a well regarded, edgy in its own way, contemporary, nationally noted in so many ways, place with wonderful quality of life, city for the 21st century.  Constructive criticism is helpful.  Cheap shots are not (see many local posts on this forum).  Please realize that you live in a wonderful, ever-changing, improving city..... I, personally don't measure a great city by vertical profile....

 

Well said Ramjet.  I understand the desire for more skyscrapers, but I always look at both sides of the coin....San Francisco, Chicago and Seattle)  All 3 cities had their pros and also their cons but for me the cons of those cities outweighed the pros and I chose to move back home to FW to be closer to family.  It was truly the best decision I made in my life. ...I can experience almost everything I can in most other major cities without the expense, the congestion and the headaches..... An impressive skyline would be nice but it's not the end all be all of what makes a city great or not.

 

I will get off my soapbox now.  Sorry to go off topic.

 

Guys, I appreciate your viewpoints and do not disagree with what you are saying; your perspectives are wonderful. I love what you guys are saying about our Fort Worth lifestyle.  It does have the affect of grounding one with a calming reality.

 

I still want one or two signature towers for Downtown viewable from about a 20 miles circumference that as one approaches gives a sneak preview of a radiant and a shining city on the horizon; and by the way, something I never fail to search for when returning home.



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 06:22 PM


 


.... Just a word of encouragement to the naysayers on this forum - Fort Worth is a well regarded, edgy in its own way, contemporary, nationally noted in so many ways, place with wonderful quality of life, city for the 21st century.  Constructive criticism is helpful.  Cheap shots are not (see many local posts on this forum).  Please realize that you live in a wonderful, ever-changing, improving city..... I, personally don't measure a great city by vertical profile....

 
Well said Ramjet.  I understand the desire for more skyscrapers, but I always look at both sides of the coin....San Francisco, Chicago and Seattle)  All 3 cities had their pros and also their cons but for me the cons of those cities outweighed the pros and I chose to move back home to FW to be closer to family.  It was truly the best decision I made in my life. ...I can experience almost everything I can in most other major cities without the expense, the congestion and the headaches..... An impressive skyline would be nice but it's not the end all be all of what makes a city great or not.
 
I will get off my soapbox now.  Sorry to go off topic.
 
Guys, I appreciate your viewpoints and do not disagree with what you are saying; your perspectives are wonderful. I love what you guys are saying about our Fort Worth lifestyle.  It does have the affect of grounding one with a calming reality.
 
I still want one or two signature towers for Downtown viewable from about a 20 miles circumference that as one approaches gives a sneak preview of a radiant and a shining city on the horizon; and by the way, something I never fail to search for when returning home.
Believe me Rename... if we got a couple of signature towers I would be one of the first people to jump with excitement... however if it didnt happen, it woyldn make me think any less of my hometown. I truly believe it will happen during the next real estate cycle. The one issue that needs to be solved, which Mayor Price discussed at a Real Estate meeting the other day, is that FWs Planning & Development department needs to make it easier for commercial developers to get permits approved quicker. We are too stringent in that area IMO.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 06:43 PM

 

 

.... Just a word of encouragement to the naysayers on this forum - Fort Worth is a well regarded, edgy in its own way, contemporary, nationally noted in so many ways, place with wonderful quality of life, city for the 21st century.  Constructive criticism is helpful.  Cheap shots are not (see many local posts on this forum).  Please realize that you live in a wonderful, ever-changing, improving city..... I, personally don't measure a great city by vertical profile....

 

Well said Ramjet.  I understand the desire for more skyscrapers, but I always look at both sides of the coin....San Francisco, Chicago and Seattle)  All 3 cities had their pros and also their cons but for me the cons of those cities outweighed the pros and I chose to move back home to FW to be closer to family.  It was truly the best decision I made in my life. ...I can experience almost everything I can in most other major cities without the expense, the congestion and the headaches..... An impressive skyline would be nice but it's not the end all be all of what makes a city great or not.

 

I will get off my soapbox now.  Sorry to go off topic.

 

Guys, I appreciate your viewpoints and do not disagree with what you are saying; your perspectives are wonderful. I love what you guys are saying about our Fort Worth lifestyle.  It does have the affect of grounding one with a calming reality.

 

I still want one or two signature towers for Downtown viewable from about a 20 miles circumference that as one approaches gives a sneak preview of a radiant and a shining city on the horizon; and by the way, something I never fail to search for when returning home.

 

Downtown Fort Worth is viewable from Cedar Hill. 


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 07:55 PM

Downtown Fort Worth is viewable from Cedar Hill. 

 

 No doubt. Cedar Hills is the highest point of elevation in Dallas County and possibly higher than any point in Tarrant County.



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:20 PM

Yes, the Cedar Hill Area is the highest point in Dallas County.  The actual high point in the county is near the Mount Lebanon Encampment or may actually be within their property.  This is north of Texas Plume Road and west of US 67.  The elevation of this hill is 870 feet above sea level.  Texas Plume has a lot of fairly steep hills on it and is a challenge to ride on a bicycle after you have made the steady climb up from Joe Pool Lake on Lake Ridge Pkwy.

 

The highest points in Tarrant County lie along the ridge of hills that run along the Tarrant Parker County Line.  Several hilltops are about 960 feet above sea level, but the highest point sits on a hill on the county line north of Old Weatherford Road and south of White Settlement Road.  This elevation is 966 ASL.

 

You can see the skyline of Fort Worth from Lake Ridge Pkwy. and from White Settlement Road at the County Line.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 08:24 AM

 

Downtown Fort Worth is viewable from Cedar Hill. 

 

 No doubt. Cedar Hills is the highest point of elevation in Dallas County and possibly higher than any point in Tarrant County.

 

No Tarrant County is Higher in Elevation that Dallas County.  The only area in Dallas county that comes close is the SW corner.  The highest point in Tarrant County is higher than any point in Dallas County.

 

Edit:  Sorry John I just saw your post.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 08:29 AM

That's OK Rriojas71.  I don't always catch replies, myself.  Maybe later today, I can add all of the highest points within the surrounding counties.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:53 PM

It’s funny that nowadays when I drive back from Dallas and head back in to Fort Worth I notice a gradual yet constant climb.  It kinda starts around West Grand Prairie and up again through Arlington and up a couple of other times until you reach, what I feel like is the peak @ I-30 just west of Oakland Ave...  AKA Tandy Hills Park, which I have still yet to visit.  After starting to consistently ride bikes and now going off of bike trails and into some neighborhoods, I am starting to notice how hilly some areas of Fort Worth really are...  especially Crestline, Burton Hill and Shady Oaks Country Club areas.  I know of a few others as well but have yet to ride bikes in them.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 09:35 PM

There are quite a few areas with a lot of hills.  Tanglewood and Overton Park areas have some streets with significant grades.  Ranch View Road has a 13% grade coming east from Bellaire Dr. S.  Then it has a few dips and bumps, and then climbs with another 17% grade between Fox Hollow and Bellaire Circle.  (Suicide Hill)

 

Zoo Hill on Colonial Parkway is 10% and the new trail connection into Mistletoe Heights climbs at 12%.  Rogers Road has a 13% grade.  There are several other significant hills in the TCU area. 

 

The Ridglea Hills Neighborhood is full of rollers with quite a few short, steep grades.



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Posted 23 March 2019 - 06:14 PM

When we have an ice storm, I feel like we live in the Rockies.

 

As for real hills, growing up on Martel near Channel 5, Scenery Hill Rd. was a good hill when on my bike as well as Oakland North of the Turnpike heading down to East First.



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Posted 23 March 2019 - 09:41 PM

I think the north end of Merrick, heading south from Burton Hill Road, is the steepest road in Fort Worth.  For short segments I'm pretty sure it exceeds 30% grade.

 

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 10:24 PM

The Merrick hill is a doozy!



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Posted 23 March 2019 - 11:42 PM

.....The highest points in Tarrant County lie along the ridge of hills that run along the Tarrant Parker County Line.  Several hilltops are about 960 feet above sea level, but the highest point sits on a hill on the county line north of Old Weatherford Road and south of White Settlement Road.  This elevation is 966 ASL.....You can see the skyline of Fort Worth from Lake Ridge Pkwy. and from White Settlement Road at the County Line.

 

 I have driven along the scenic Old Weatherford Road between Azle and Weatherford; it is quite hilly, curvy and would be a great cycling challenge too.

 

As for the Fort Worth Skyline, it stands out quite noticeably as you approach from the west near Lost Creek or again from Benbrook as a drive from Granbury to town.  I suspect all of this has something to do with the topography that places Fort Worth/Tarrant County in the Crosstimbers Woods and that Fort Worth is at the foothills of the Big Country.  it is also geographical evidence that Fort Worth is in West Texas and is more akin to the Texas communities of  Mineral Wells, Eastland, Abilene, Granbury, etc..

 

Still this does not deter me from wanting one or two new tallest high rise towers in Downtown to enlarge the skyline profile and to serve as a premiere opening to the City.



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Posted 26 March 2019 - 03:00 AM

I think the north end of Merrick, heading south from Burton Hill Road, is the steepest road in Fort Worth.  For short segments I'm pretty sure it exceeds 30% grade.

 

https://goo.gl/maps/6mk94MYDRg12

 

I've actually walked up that hill (I know, fairly dangerous since there are no sidewalks) to cut from the Trinity Trails over to the Rivercrest neighborhood and I can personally attest to its steepness.  You get a leg workout only walking up that hill... I had previously used Hidden Lane (a private road behind the country club) for that connection but the locals there had issues with people going to the end of their street and parking there to use the neighborhood connection for the trails.  Sometime last year the locals put up more strongly-worded signage and I started to avoid that street whenever I would go for a run in that area.

And I find one of the most dramatic views of downtown Fort Worth to be from the area around Aledo and Walsh Ranch.  The city seems to just rise up out of the open prairie seen out that way.


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Posted 26 March 2019 - 05:44 AM

Merrick is so steep, I've been with cycling groups and people get off their bikes to walk down it.... too steep to ride.


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Posted 26 March 2019 - 07:15 AM

The former Star-Telegram annex (on Taylor & 6th St) is going away and being replaced with a new 26 story building. http://www.fortworth...7b2f144fab.html



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Posted 26 March 2019 - 07:54 AM

That's a four year old article.  The new building opened last May.



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Posted 26 March 2019 - 08:23 AM

I have ridden my bicycle up and down all of those roads from Arlington Heights and Rivercrest to the river.  I only rode Merrick when I was in really good shape because I found the road too steep, otherwise.  Burton Hill Road was always a fair choice, but it does have some traffic on it.  Roaring Springs Road is too busy, but I have ridden up and down it in the past.   I appreciate the update on Hidden Road.  That was usually my fall back when I was on that section of trail.  Now, I will either turn around or ride more miles to avoid it.

 

This thread is actually going off topic to talking about roads and trails.  Maybe we should get directly back to the subject.



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Posted 12 October 2019 - 10:02 PM

.......The other thing is that, as I have said in other threads in the past, I don't understand the resentment of Sundance Square.  They own 35 blocks (!) of downtown.  If that were 100 small businesses in an association that convinced DASH to come close to them, would they be called out?.....I feel strongly that, love them or hate them, they were willing to invest their money into downtown during a time when no one else would, and I commend them for that....Honestly, my biggest concern is that they run out of the right kind of inertia here since the plaza has been built -- we need strong advocates willing to invest in making our downtown great.

 

Pointing out a entity that is a defacto monopoly disguised as a selfless "hometown" company (aka American Airlines) is simply admitting that it is what you think it is.  And like AA, SDSq is perfectly capable of throwing its weight around as a big fish in a small pond. Monopolies are always a threat to an innovative market. On principle, instead of a boycott per se, I patronize the other wonderful businesses beyond the management of SDSq. and that just looking out for the little guys.

 

As I see, it SDSq has had a chilling effect upon speculative investment in Downtown; and yes it is difficult to prove a negative; but while the four other 500k Cities of Texas have been blowing the doors down you hear mostly crickets in Fort Worth where ownership of such massive blockage of its CBD real estate is in the hands of a single company puts it in a class of its own. I am clearly on the record (archives) beaming with excitement about the recent and much welcome trend of new outside investment starting to bulk the hometown stranglehold that Downtown has been under for 30 plus years. I wonder what could have been for Fort Worth had the circumstances been similar to Dallas, Austin and Houston allowing for a greater array of investment.

 

Personally, we did quite well purchasing depressed real estate properties and then selling them in a boom market.  We are not special and we don't expect to be given any commendations.   And If you mean Hulen Mall and surroundings(100 stores) getting preferential treatment at the expense of a La Gran Plaza, then yeah , I call it out for what it is; and actually did so about DASH:W7th v. Six Point/Race St. (checkout my comment)

 

When the mayor, off the record, tells one that Downtown does not want a streetcar, then you know who she speaks for; and here's a hint,  its not for all of Fort Worth, just a Rasputin.

 

No one can say that I resent Downtown. Full Stop.

 

I just think that Downtown is and should be more than the privately held, subsidized 35 block mall called Sundance Square that is often portrayed as.  But then again, if one thinks of SDSq = Downtown [A=B], than criticism of A might be misunderstood.



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Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:48 PM

The Sundance Square "monopoly" is what it is.  But ownership of 35 blocks by a single business entity may not last forever.  We shall see.



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Posted 14 October 2019 - 03:16 PM

I think that the Sundance Square is likely to last. What is needed is healthy competition from a diverse groups of investors. Downtown has begun to see new interest coming in and setting up shop other by Sundance Square.  The welcome trend demonstrate that the monopolistic days of Downtown could be waning.



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Posted 10 June 2021 - 09:14 AM

If according to this falsical pair of experts,  Fort Worth Stockyards is now Downtown!

 

Doesn't it now mean that Panther Island is now Near South, the Courthouse is now apart of South Fort Worth and Near South/Magnolia has to be rebranded.

 

Expert and Native weigh in:



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Posted 10 June 2021 - 09:27 AM

If according to this falsical pair of experts,  Fort Worth Stockyards is now Downtown!

 

Doesn't it now mean that Panther Island is now Near South, the Courthouse is now apart of South Fort Worth and Near South/Magnolia has to be rebranded.

 

Expert and Native weigh in:

 

This isn't new. I've heard people say they're in "downtown", when they're really in West 7th. Went to a 105.3 the Fan remote at the Dickies store in Near Southside and Gavin Dawson kept saying "downtown" a few years back. (With Jay Novacheck as a guest)


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