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#101 txbornviking

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:45 PM

The Tarrant Transit Alliance has their "Kick-Off" event this afternoon. Reading over their website this afternoon I found the following statement:

 

"The Tarrant Transit Alliance works with contributors, community officials and REGIONAL (bold and caps added by me) leaders to build support for funding REGIONAL transit in Fort Worth and Tarrant County. Our purpose is to educate, empower and mobilize policy to serve our entire REGION."

 

 I'm very curious how region/regional will end up being defined and how that will impact priorities but I'm staying both optimistic and hopeful.



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Posted 25 January 2018 - 02:41 AM

The Tarrant Transit Alliance has their "Kick-Off" event this afternoon. 

 I'm very curious how region/regional will end up being defined and how that will impact priorities but I'm staying both optimistic and hopeful.

 

I'm pretty sure they are not including commuters from Cleburne, Granbury, Weatherford, and Decatur. 

It will never be a regional transit agency in my humbel opinion until it decides to serve commuters from neighboring counties. 



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Posted 25 January 2018 - 09:19 AM

 

The Tarrant Transit Alliance has their "Kick-Off" event this afternoon. 

 I'm very curious how region/regional will end up being defined and how that will impact priorities but I'm staying both optimistic and hopeful.

 

I'm pretty sure they are not including commuters from Cleburne, Granbury, Weatherford, and Decatur. 

It will never be a regional transit agency in my humbel opinion until it decides to serve commuters from neighboring counties. 

 

 

Out of curiosity, do you know how many people commute daily into Fort Worth from each of those cities? That'd be very interesting to know.



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Posted 25 January 2018 - 09:55 AM

It will never be a regional transit agency in my humbel opinion


You're finally right about something, but I'm only going to give you half credit since you arrived there accidentally through ignorance or a lack of reading comprehension. Of course it won't ever be a regional transit agency. That's not the purpose of the TTA.

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Posted 26 January 2018 - 04:51 AM

 

It will never be a regional transit agency in my humbel opinion


You're finally right about something, but I'm only going to give you half credit since you arrived there accidentally through ignorance or a lack of reading comprehension. Of course it won't ever be a regional transit agency. That's not the purpose of the TTA.

 

I'll agree being a regional transit agency isn't its main purpose.

Now convince TTA who publishes thism quoted above by "txbornviking", not by me!

 

"The Tarrant Transit Alliance works with contributors, community officials and REGIONAL (bold and caps added by me) leaders to build support for funding REGIONAL transit in Fort Worth and Tarrant County. Our purpose is to educate, empower and mobilize policy to serve our entire REGION."



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Posted 26 January 2018 - 06:19 AM

My point was that it's not going to be a transit agency.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 08:44 AM

Anyone from the forum plan on attending the Transit Advocacy event this evening with the city council meeting?



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:09 AM

yep



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:02 PM

Anyone from the forum plan on attending the Transit Advocacy event this evening with the city council meeting?

 

I should be there.

City Hall, right?


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:09 AM

I'm curious to hear from some of you that were at the meeting last night. 

 

The local paper is choosing to spin it with this headline on their homepage: "Could money Fort Worth uses to fight crime instead go toward public transit?".  I guess the scary click-bait makes their position pretty clear, since that's just a small portion of the content of the article.

 

The article itself:  http://www.star-tele...e197506269.html

 

The call to go out to other Tarrant County cities and one councilman's call to rush something to the ballot by May sound like a push to make this go away quickly.

 

The POA posted the above article to Facebook without commentary and the comments were about what you would expect.  Betsy Price will ride in the Stock Show Parade on a unicycle while wearing a chicken suit before the CCPD tax goes away.



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:50 AM

I'm curious to hear from some of you that were at the meeting last night. 

 

The local paper is choosing to spin it with this headline on their homepage: "Could money Fort Worth uses to fight crime instead go toward public transit?".  I guess the scary click-bait makes their position pretty clear, since that's just a small portion of the content of the article.

 

The article itself:  http://www.star-tele...e197506269.html

 

The call to go out to other Tarrant County cities and one councilman's call to rush something to the ballot by May sound like a push to make this go away quickly.

 

The POA posted the above article to Facebook without commentary and the comments were about what you would expect.  Betsy Price will ride in the Stock Show Parade on a unicycle while wearing a chicken suit before the CCPD tax goes away.

 

This is one of my major fears on how this current push is shaping up. It's going to be oh-so-easy for opponents of improved transit funding to shape the message of "stealing money from police."

One thing I'm hoping to compile over the next day or two is Ft. Worth crime stats now vs 1995 when the CCPD first came into existence. I'd like to compare those trends with those seen state-wide and nation-wide. In other words, I'd like to know if the CCPD funds can be shown to have been the potential CAUSE of the crime reduction or if they simply overlap larger state and national crime trends. (I know my hunch, but am curious if I'm correct.)

 

As for reaching out to other Tarrant County cities to join The T/Trinity Metro/FWTA, I think we can all agree if there was interest in this they would have joined over the last 20 years.

 

IMO this weeks "progress" has been exceptionally troubling.



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:56 AM

I'm sure crime has been fallling. I'd be interested in seeing *why* crime dropped. I'm sure it's down to policing to an obvious extent but how much of the decline is caused by larger economic and environmental effects. 



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:31 PM

Crime has been plummeting nationwide. It hasn't fallen here because of the CCPD. All that has gotten us is hundreds of millions of dollars thrown into the prison-industrial complex which is always happy to spend more money. Consider, this year they are getting $70 million that they don't even have to produce a budget for. They are spending this tax money on all sorts of things that the CCPD was never supposed to fund. And it'll get renewed this year with zero discussion and another rubber stamp.

 

The thing is, we could sunset the CCPD over a ten year period and not reduce police funding at all, by rolling the difference into the rapidly growing general fund (where it should have been all along.)



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 01:48 PM

Crime has been plummeting nationwide. It hasn't fallen here because of the CCPD. All that has gotten us is hundreds of millions of dollars thrown into the prison-industrial complex which is always happy to spend more money. Consider, this year they are getting $70 million that they don't even have to produce a budget for. They are spending this tax money on all sorts of things that the CCPD was never supposed to fund. And it'll get renewed this year with zero discussion and another rubber stamp.

 

The thing is, we could sunset the CCPD over a ten year period and not reduce police funding at all, by rolling the difference into the rapidly growing general fund (where it should have been all along.)


That's not such a bad idea. Seem a fair "compromise." A 5 or 10yr sunset period.
 

(I'll apologize in advance if needed for the following is a slight detour, but I'd argue still relevant as the spending is probably CCPD funds)
I ran across this story last year, 
http://www.citylab.c...rtments/512543/

 

Three times I wrote the city and mayor asking about this and never received a reply. My email was as follows:
 

"$765,918 between 2012 and 2016. That’s how much money the Fort Worth Police Department has supposedly spend on tools which can be used to spy on cellphones. Not only does this prompt questions about why, but also the sheer amount of money being spend seems to raise concerns as well. This is 158% the total of Chicago, the second highest city  and a city with a population of approximately 2.7million people. This compared to Fort Worth’s estimated population just shy of 800,000 people. Beyond questions that can surround the possible “appropriateness” of these tools, the disproportionate amount being spend seems worth questioning as well. These numbers seem very high for a city of our size.

 

It has been shown that these types of surveillance tools are traditionally disproportionately deployed into minority communities. At a time where our city is currently looking to improve these relations (in light of the December incident in the 7400 block of Rock Garden involving officer William Martin) it is certainly concerning to learn of these tools acquisition over the last 4 years by our police and certainly raises questions as to where and how they are deployed.

 

Many of these tools are easy to abuse as well, with the potential to allow police to crack open locked devices and collect vast amounts of phone data, such as call logs, emails, social media messagestime-stamped past location data, and even deleted texts and photos—without any assistance from cellphone companies.

 

What oversight protections are in place to prevent the abuse of these tools and ensure due process rights remain honored?

How long does the Fort Worth police department retain any information intercepted or extracted?

 

Thank you for taking the time to read this email and in putting together a reply."



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:56 PM

Crime has been plummeting nationwide. It hasn't fallen here because of the CCPD. All that has gotten us is hundreds of millions of dollars thrown into the prison-industrial complex which is always happy to spend more money. Consider, this year they are getting $70 million that they don't even have to produce a budget for. They are spending this tax money on all sorts of things that the CCPD was never supposed to fund. And it'll get renewed this year with zero discussion and another rubber stamp.
 
The thing is, we could sunset the CCPD over a ten year period and not reduce police funding at all, by rolling the difference into the rapidly growing general fund (where it should have been all along.)


This seems like exactly the sort of thing the Tarrant Transit Alliance should study to bolster their position.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:43 PM

TTA seems to think that it's sort of a third rail that can't be touched. One of their spokespeople said as much at the informal meeting before the Council meeting last night.

 

Perhaps TTA won't touch it, but someone needs to. This cannot be rubber stamped again with zero discussion.



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Posted 01 February 2018 - 09:40 AM

I've heard stories of CCPD money being used to buy vehicles that go unused for years because there's not enough CCPD or general fund money to outfit them for patrol.






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