What was that big hall, east side of I35 and Airport Freeway?
#1
Posted 31 January 2008 - 12:18 AM
Thanks!
John
#2
Posted 31 January 2008 - 05:45 AM
#3
Posted 07 February 2008 - 08:37 PM
#4
Posted 08 February 2008 - 07:33 PM
Is this building in any of those old Tarrant County Historic Resources Survey books? I only have the Central Business District edition. It goes out to about the 1000 block of downtown. There is a Knights of Pythias at 900 E. Second which was African-American, and the Afro-American Odd Fellows was at 415 E. 6th. It's not those, obviously. I sure wish I had bought the rest of the set when those books came out. Does anyone have the others? Maybe this building is in one of them.
Thanks,
John Cirillo
#5
Posted 08 February 2008 - 10:15 PM
On a related note, Historic Fort Worth owns those resource books and I chair the commitee that is responsible for them. I'm proud to announce that we are very close to releasing an update to the South Side Survey.
#6
Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:02 PM
On a related note, Historic Fort Worth owns those resource books and I chair the commitee that is responsible for them. I'm proud to announce that we are very close to releasing an update to the South Side Survey.
I guess it would help if I knew the name of it and a better idea where it was. I almost think it was on the east of the river levee just before Sylvania. There's a little strip of 1st street by there. A friend of mine said she has a picture of it. WHen she comes forth with it, I can show it around and see if it gives a better idea.
I guess that the rest of those historic books are now out of print. I missed my chance to get them, apparently.
Are direct sales planned when the South Side Survey is released? I am not in Fort Worth, so online ordering would be convenient.
I was thinking if I could find any broad coverage aerials of downtown before probably 1985, that building would still be there and it would be easier to pinpoint. I haven't found any aerials on this site that happen to cover that area. I wouldn't know where else to look.
I do seem to remember that the building was actually available for renting out for large parties or was it a Halloween spook house? But I definitely remember gatherings that occurred there in the early 80s, and if I recall they were things you could buy tickets for and were not African-American centered. How dim those memories are though.
I'm trying to remember who else remembered those things.
Well, I feel pretty close to finding the answer. There's no hurry.
Thanks,
John Cirillo
#7
Posted 09 February 2008 - 09:43 AM
It was located north of 1st Street, east of Booker Washington, west of the River.
1926 Vol 2 Sheet 264: Masonic Mosque, AF & AM
1951 Vol 2 Sheet 264: McDonald College of Industrial Arts & Masonic Mosque, AF & AM (Colored)
M C
#8
Posted 09 February 2008 - 11:03 AM
It was located north of 1st Street, east of Booker Washington, west of the River.
1926 Vol 2 Sheet 264: Masonic Mosque, AF & AM
1951 Vol 2 Sheet 264: McDonald College of Industrial Arts & Masonic Mosque, AF & AM (Colored)
M C
That is useful information. Thanks.
How and where can I access the Sanborn Maps online? Do I have to be a member of something or pay to see them?
This would be very useful.
Thanks,
John
#9
Posted 09 February 2008 - 11:19 AM
The Sanborn Maps for the entire state of Texas are available through the Texshare Database website here:
http://www.tsl.state...us/texshare/pl/
There is no charge but you will need a Log-In and Password that can be obtained through any participating library where you have a card (list on website).
M C
#10
Posted 09 February 2008 - 07:40 PM
#11
Posted 09 February 2008 - 10:13 PM
Now that I had a better clue where it is, I looked on the Google aerial maps and there you can still see the foundation of the building just at the end of 1st street. And it looks like the way you had to go to get there was the service road along the east side of I-35, probably from 4th street. That is the same service road that goes under the freeway to get back to Belknap.
Yes, I'd say it was very close to the service road!
Well, this is great. At least now I have it located. Thanks, everyone, for helping.
John
#12
Posted 09 February 2008 - 10:18 PM
The Sanborn Maps for the entire state of Texas are available through the Texshare Database website here:
http://www.tsl.state...us/texshare/pl/
There is no charge but you will need a Log-In and Password that can be obtained through any participating library where you have a card (list on website).
M C
Guess I'm out of luck then. I'm in Indiana. My Fort Worth library card probably expired. If I could even find it.
Thanks though.
John
#13
Posted 09 February 2008 - 10:28 PM
#14
Posted 10 February 2008 - 08:37 PM
That's what my friend who remembers it says too... I don't know what that linear foundation is. But where is the foundation for the Masonic Mosque then? I looked closely on the best online maps I could find, and there's no evidence of another foundation between that one I spotted and where B. Washington would have been. Strange. I would think there would be a trace. It's only been 30 years hasn't it, at most. (Now I wonder what that thing was that still has a foundation there.)
Oh well. At least we know about where it was.
John
#15
Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:10 PM
#16
Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:32 PM
John
I drove by the site today. There is little evidence that any structure was ever there except for the curbs on East 1st St where Booker Washington intersected. There are a couple of chunks of concrete that might have been part of the foundation, but that entire area shows some evidence of fill and dumping so could have come from anywhere.
By chance I ran into the man who once owned the property and competed the demolition of the Mosque in the mid to late 1980's. He said there was a crawlspace under the building . The entire site was scraped and leveled.
This link show the Mosque, the dwellings along Booker Washington, and two tourist courts along Belknap all partially submerged:
1949 Flood / Belknap Bridge
This ca 1963 photo from TexasFreeway.Com shows the Mosque in the upper left just beyong the Belknap / I-35 interchange. The aerial view is facing south from the I-35 / 28th Street interchange:
Has anyone found any better images?
M C
#17
Posted 17 February 2008 - 09:36 PM
#18
Posted 20 February 2008 - 01:32 PM
Today here is the image they sent me, taken in 1966.
This is a really good overhead shot and you can see remnants of the little neighborhood that was west and southwest of the Mosque.
John
Link to Mosque photo
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