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#101 Now in Denton

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:21 AM

Being conservative that would be around 340 feet tall ? And I always go to Mr. Roberts Fort Worth Tallest buildings when new downtown projects are proposed. This would make it between Pier1 standing at 324 feet. And Frost Tower that stands at 368 feet in height. 



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:25 AM

Being conservative that would be around 340 feet tell ? And I always go to Mr. Roberts Fort Worth Tallest buildings when new downtown projects are proposed. This would make it between Pier1 standing at 324 feet. And Frost Tower that stands at 368 feet in height. 

Also based on Mr. Roberts' prior explanation, the fact that a 30-floor building is actually less tall than the 26-floor Frost Tower, an office tower, is that floor-to-ceiling heights in residential towers are smaller.  Am I correct in this?



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:59 AM

Floor to ceiling heights in residential towers are usually lower than the floor to ceiling heights in office buildings.  Therefore, the floor to floor height is also usually lower in a residential tower.  This usually produces a shorter building.



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:49 AM

I use the river tower residence as a measure. As I think Austin55 said one time as well. Correct me if I am wrong Austin ? I don't use "The Tower" because it was built as a office building.



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:17 PM

Beautiful new renderings, height approved by DDRB!

Check out @WorthResidencess Tweet: https://twitter.com/...9194778624?s=09

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Also it's 30 floors!

 

Looking forward to seeing what the projected views would be from the units!



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:27 PM

Here's 5th+West's elevation. 340 should be fairly easy for Worth. With the roof being and screening I think it'll hit 360 or be very close 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:17 PM

Also, in comparison to Frost Tower... the bottom 12 floors of Frost or so are parking garage which I believe are shorter floor to ceiling ratios than office building floors. I think in the end this building may come close to Frost.

I also like the how the base of the building creates a wall with the group of townhomes to the north of the tower.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:36 PM

Also, in comparison to Frost Tower... the bottom 12 floors of Frost or so are parking garage which I believe are shorter floor to ceiling ratios than office building floors. I think in the end this building may come close to Frost.

I also like the how the base of the building creates a wall with the group of townhomes to the north of the tower.

 

It looks like Worth may have some sort of townhome style units along Henderson as well, which might give a small height boost. It also adds a nice look and creates a pleasant sidewalk interaction. The garage seems well designed and screened as well which is a nice change from some of the uglier garages we've seen on occasion.



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Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:37 PM

I now have a height for the building.  When completed, it will be 381'-4" tall. 



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Posted 05 March 2018 - 11:54 PM

https://www.bizjourn...tml#g/430325/19

Several additional renderings of the amenity areas.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 08:49 AM

I have bad news.  I made a mistake.  I have changed the overall height of this building down to 381'-4".  I have also deleted two of the posts after the report on the height.  I apologize. 



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:32 AM

It's slightly taller than Frost and roughly the same height as Landmark was.  That's still going to be an impressive impact on the skyline.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 01:39 PM

It's slightly taller than Frost and roughly the same height as Landmark was.  That's still going to be an impressive impact on the skyline.

When I crane my neck back to gaze upward at the top of these towers I can't tell the difference between 381 feet and 400-something feet.  Makes my neck sore, of course.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 03:08 PM

Maybe it is just the architect in me, but I can tell the difference in different buildings heights that are close.  Frost looks about the same height as the old Landmark Tower, but it also seems like it is a little shorter.  The old Landmark Tower also "appeared" quite a bit taller when it had the clock on top of it.  That was a large box revolving sign that was about 40' x 40' square and raised the "apparent" top of the building by 40 feet. 

 

Also, as I have begun to discover the actual heights of these buildings, I began to realize that the reported height of the buildings were incorrect.  For many years, 500 W. 7th and Tandy Towers were reported to be 300' tall.  However, looking at them next to other buildings, I realized that they were actually shorter.  When the contractors started work on the Frost Tower, they surveyed the heights of all the surrounding buildings and found that the biggest error was on 500 W. 7th.  It is actually 273 feet in height.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 03:27 PM

I have bad news.  I made a mistake.  I have changed the overall height of this building down to 381'-4".  I have also deleted two of the posts after the report on the height.  I apologize. 

 

That's ok. Lord knows you provide a ton of information I could never provide. Still taller over Frost I did not expect.  I am still happy for our skyline. A personal thanks for your hard work Mr. Roberts.  :smwink: 



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 03:40 PM

Thank you, Now In Denton.  I just can't believe that I made such a big mistake! 



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 04:40 PM

Please don't think nothing of it. On a side note I saw in the news how construction cranes are in such demand. That they are reserved two years out ! So this may effect when construction begins.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 08:47 PM

I just realized that the Frost Tower will only be the 7th Tallest Building in the city for a short time.  With the Southern Land Company building going in at 30 stories, Frost could be the 9th Tallest in no time.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:44 PM

I just realized that the Frost Tower will only be the 7th Tallest Building in the city for a short time.  With the Southern Land Company building going in at 30 stories, Frost could be the 9th Tallest in no time.

 

"Tallest Building in the city"

 

 You recently opined that the former Landmark block was preferable over the Monnig block for the tallest building in the city. Aren't these two blocks nearly identical; and too, the Monnig block is within the Sundance Square holdings which makes it the logical location for the rumored SSQ super tall building?

 

One other thing, David M Schwartz has shown that his preferred maximum height is 60 meters. I am dubious of his willingness to exceed this ceiling of his.

 

About the Monnig block, I think a similar project like this proposed Denver project of approximately  (15 level garage base; 15-25 stories of commercial space; 15-25 stories of residential/hotel) would work on this 100'x100' block; again not really expecting a DMS to come through.

 

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:46 PM

It's entirely possible that a client has never asked Schwartz to go higher than that. In my experience, architects typically give their clients what they want.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:50 PM

It's entirely possible that a client has never asked Schwartz to go higher than that. In my experience, architects typically give their clients what they want.

 

Check out his portfolio. You would look in vain to find a legitimate high rise; he is all about human scale and retro.

 

A proposed 21-story condo tower was reduced to a 6-story project.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 09:56 PM

The Worth is going before the zoning commission. It is currently in the Panther Island overlay, which I mentioned earlier has a height limit of 24 floors. It is looking to be rezoned to CBD which has no limit.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:12 PM

Rename, the Gateway or Monnig Block is 200' x 200' square.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:14 PM


It's entirely possible that a client has never asked Schwartz to go higher than that. In my experience, architects typically give their clients what they want.

 
Check out his portfolio. You would look in vain to find a legitimate high rise; he is all about human scale and retro. A proposed 21-story condo tower was reduced to a 6-story project.

I know. If they want to build the city's tallest and he won't do it, they'll go with another architect. If he talks them into going smaller, then they're not serious about building something taller.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:23 PM

 

 

It's entirely possible that a client has never asked Schwartz to go higher than that. In my experience, architects typically give their clients what they want.

 
Check out his portfolio. You would look in vain to find a legitimate high rise; he is all about human scale and retro. A proposed 21-story condo tower was reduced to a 6-story project.

I know. If they want to build the city's tallest and he won't do it, they'll go with another architect. If he talks them into going smaller, then they're not serious about building something taller.

 

 

 DMS has an uncanny sway upon Bass/SSQ and has made the City his own professional catalogue.

 

It would be terribly exciting to see what a Pelli Clarke Pelli would do with the Monnig Block.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:30 PM

I'd be surprised to see something over 30 floors on that block.

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:49 AM

Worth zoning approved by city council

 

https://www.nbcdfw.c...lowTwt_DFWBrand



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Posted 04 April 2018 - 04:12 PM

I just realized that the Frost Tower will only be the 7th Tallest Building in the city for a short time.  With the Southern Land Company building going in at 30 stories, Frost could be the 9th Tallest in no time.

What would move to the #8 spot?



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Posted 04 April 2018 - 07:11 PM

Currently, the Frost Tower is the 7th tallest building at 368 feet.  The Worth Residences is supposed to be 30 stories and 381'-4".  Southern Land Company/901 Commerce is supposed to be 32 stories.  If that building is taller than 368 feet, then the Frost Tower would be pushed down to 9th tallest.







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