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[Dallastar]

http://www.bizjourna...de-park.html#i1

[renamerusk]

Wow, Dallas is being devoured by Collin County.

[Austin55]

Dallas is doing pretty spectacularly on its own. 

[renamerusk]

Wow, Dallas is being devoured by Collin County.

 

 

Dallas is doing pretty spectacularly on its own. 

 

At what point will we realize that these so called suburbs are developing into sustainable places of employment, culture and tourism.  This North Texas Region is evolving into multiple CBD points.   DBJ is sticking its head into the sand by continuing to the label outlying communities as traditional post war suburbs of Dallas.

[Dylan]

Oh, please. Frisco would be nothing more than a small town in the middle of nowhere if not for its proximity to Dallas.

 

EDIT: Frisco getting some urban development doesn't mean its no longer a suburb.

[hannerhan]

Oh, please. Frisco would be nothing more than a small town in the middle of nowhere if not for its proximity to Dallas.

 

EDIT: Frisco getting some urban development doesn't mean its no longer a suburb.

 

Your first comment is correct but is a non sequitur.

 

As for your second comment, it's true that some urban development does not constitute an area coming out from under its larger city neighbor's umbrella.  And 4 years ago my commentary would have been similar to yours, but at this point I think we all have to admit that Frisco has become a massive job center, and THAT is what constitutes it no longer being a suburb in the way that Southlake or Keller or Aledo are suburbs. 

 

The very subject of this thread proves the point.  35 story hotels don't get built in suburbs.

[Austin55]

Rumor has it they want to lure the Rangers out there whenever the Ballpark's lifespan is up. Arlington is concerned about losing them, and Frisco seems to be the only city who is actually pursing them. 

[JBB]

There's no doubt that the Rangers will be heavily courted when their lease is up and they'll land on the biggest pile of public money. Arlington won't let them go without a fight and they're probably better positioned than any other city to lure them back. I don't know how much Frisco will be able to offer after what they've given the Cowboys.

[John T Roberts]

I know that money always lures the teams, but it would seem that the Rangers would want to stay in Arlington.

[JBB]

I feel the same way. Arlington has spent more than 40 years building a fan base in a centralized location and they have pretty deep roots in Arlington. The ballpark is a great facility and both the city and the team have invested a great deal of money on updating it in the last 5 years. I would love to see the concourse areas upgraded to be on par with newer ballparks like the two in NYC.

[Dallastar]

I feel the same way. Arlington has spent more than 40 years building a fan base in a centralized location and they have pretty deep roots in Arlington. The ballpark is a great facility and both the city and the team have invested a great deal of money on updating it in the last 5 years. I would love to see the concourse areas upgraded to be on par with newer ballparks like the two in NYC.

 

I believe the Rangers should want a dome for these brutal summer's, they could make a fortune for when they have these 1:00 day games and it's 105 degrees with no clouds in the sky and you get about 5000 people in attendance, a dome could make that 35000 or 40000 showing up on a blazing hot day game.

[JBB]

As the 2010 and 2011 seasons proved, attendance is about winning, not the weather.

[johnfwd]

Does Frisco have a stadium in waiting, or is one being planned?  Seems to me you first have to build, or at least propose, a stadium, before you seek a ball club.  I can't imagine the Rangers being lured to Frisco solely on account of a luxury hotel.  I'm a bit skeptical, too, whether this 35-story building will actually be built.  Reminds me of all the initial speculation about the 58-story tower that was supposed to be built in Midland. 

[youngalum]

What Arlington has going for it over Frisco is location in the middle of the Metroplex population.

 

In the decades to come the population middle continues to move west.  If the Rangers want to cut off millions of people who would have to drive 1-2 hours to Frisco over driving 30-45 minutes today, then they move to Frisco.  In reality, no consultant is going to recommend a move that reduces millions of people for possible attendance out of the picture. 

 

It is different if it were for football and its limited # of games vs. 80+ games that needs a solid base of population that can make the games regularly from both sides of the Metroplex.. 

[Fort Worthology]

I'm a bit skeptical, too, whether this 35-story building will actually be built.  Reminds me of all the initial speculation about the 58-story tower that was supposed to be built in Midland. 

 

Or a 60-story building in downtown Fort Worth... http://www.fortworth...?showtopic=1205

[JBB]

Does Frisco have a stadium in waiting, or is one being planned?  Seems to me you first have to build, or at least propose, a stadium, before you seek a ball club.  I can't imagine the Rangers being lured to Frisco solely on account of a luxury hotel.

The Rangers still have some time left on their lease, so the process hasn't really started yet. No one is saying that the Rangers are moving to Frisco because of a hotel. I expect Frisco and possibly other cities to make a play for the team when the lease is up. youngalum's post is right on. I don't see the team bailing on Arlington and alienating a fan base they've built up by being centrally located.

[renamerusk]

I believe the Rangers should want a dome for these brutal summer's, they could make a fortune for when they have these 1:00 day games and it's 105 degrees with no clouds in the sky and you get about 5000 people in attendance, a dome could make that 35000 or 40000 showing up on a blazing hot day game.

 

Wait a minute!  Houston has a dome baseball park and the Rangers routinely have better attendance.  If North Texas is brutal, then what is the steamy Bayou City like?

[Dylan]

 

Oh, please. Frisco would be nothing more than a small town in the middle of nowhere if not for its proximity to Dallas.

 

EDIT: Frisco getting some urban development doesn't mean its no longer a suburb.

 

Your first comment is correct but is a non sequitur.

 

As for your second comment, it's true that some urban development does not constitute an area coming out from under its larger city neighbor's umbrella.  And 4 years ago my commentary would have been similar to yours, but at this point I think we all have to admit that Frisco has become a massive job center, and THAT is what constitutes it no longer being a suburb in the way that Southlake or Keller or Aledo are suburbs. 

 

The very subject of this thread proves the point.  35 story hotels don't get built in suburbs.

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, any city that owes most of it's existence to a nearby metro anchor is a suburb, regardless of whether it has a large employment center or a massive hotel. Grapevine has two massive hotels, and Irving has a large employment center, but both are considered suburbs.

 

Frisco was almost nothing until Dallas sprawl reached it about two decades ago.