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#151 John S.

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 12:07 PM

John S., thank you for posting and update and providing some insight into the neighborhood issues.

 

You're welcome, John Roberts. As soon as any construction activity is noted I'll post about it. It's my understanding that renovating the Garvey House will be among the beginning phase of work for the apartments projects. I so look forward to seeing that happen as I'm sure fans of preservation in Fort Worth do as well. It has been a very long wait.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 12:13 PM

John, do you know where they are going to move the Dutch Colonial house? I had been contacted about my vacant lot, but it is too narrow for that house. I referred them to one lot and heard they were looking at others.

Andy, that is an excellent question; however, right now the question to be answered is whether it will be moved or not. When I went to help secure the house last Friday, the owner mentioned the possibility that his family might facilitate the move themselves but at this point in time, I don't think anyone knows for sure. The only thing I know for sure is moving it and putting it back down on a new foundation (it now sits on a rusticated concrete block foundation) will be challenging and expensive. Everything else would be speculation on my part. It would be a wonderful house to have as a neighbor.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 02:48 PM

I just told my 82 year old mother about our house on Samuels Ave she is upset that it looks so bad. I hope something will be done to bring it back to its original beauty

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 08:40 PM

Working on relocating and restoring the house. Will provide more details as details are worked out. Garvey saved and the Talbott Wall House  next. Have patience. Hard and expensive work.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 10:30 PM

Wonderful news. Thank you for all you do, Mr. & Mrs. Poole.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:55 AM

Working on relocating and restoring the house. Will provide more details as details are worked out. Garvey saved and the Talbott Wall House  next. Have patience. Hard and expensive work.

That is good news Mr. Poole. I realize the logistics and timing of this project are very complex and there are many "ducks" to line up in a row before things can move forward. I will keenly look forward in anticipation for evidence of progress in 2017. Thanks for posting your reassuring message.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 02:22 PM

Maybe its a sign of the times? I noticed this past week that there are new "for sale" signs by a commercial broker along many (7 or 8?) properties on the west side of Samuels Avenue going north of the side street of Greer (1000 block of Samuels) down to near Traders Oak Park. That means that most of the west (Trinity Bluff) side of Samuels Avenue is either under development or is currently up for sale.

Still no sign of any activity for the planned Garvey House Apartments project but some property owners under contract I've spoken to said a storm water drainage issue under the authority of the Corps of Engineers is currently being worked out and should soon be followed by a closing on their contracts.

The process of Samuels Avenue/Rock Island redevelopment got underway as far back as 2003 so no one should be surprised to see development continuing on the west side (Trinity River Bluff) of Samuels. I still regret that 100% of planned new construction appears to be for apartments (and a few existing condominiums) but the transforming neighborhood remains without any retail amenities. I wish the Downtown Design Review Board (or Planning?) or Downtown Fort Worth, Inc. would have sought to have some retail as an integral part of the neighborhood's redevelopment.  West 7th and Sundance Square's retail districts are too distant and pedestrian-challenging to easily serve current and future apartment dwellers along Samuels Avenue. Some limited mixed use with a retail component would be very welcome but current development patterns seem to ignore that increasing need. Perhaps that will somehow happen before the entire neighborhood has been redeveloped exclusively with new apartments; I can only hope so. I think the apartment complex owners would also concur.  Its possible the future Panther Island-Trinity River Vision project may eventually address the need for retail but completion of that "vision" remains years into the future.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:07 AM

Yes, I drive along Samuels most days and it is odd to see so many properties for sale, all with the same real estate company. 

 

When all this development finally gets going, it is going to be crazy on the south end of Samuels, where the road is quite narrow and already pretty busy. 

 

It seems crazy that there is no retail included in all of this - we live across from the cemetery and while downtown is only a short walk, there is obviously nowhere to get any grocery items and the people in the new developments will be even further away. I think it has been mentioned here that a small grocery store would do well in this area, especially with the proposed increase in the number of residents. 



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:44 PM

I noticed all the for sale signs last night. I knew Tim had been talking about selling for a while but I was surprised how many signs there were. Seems like I am getting an offer to buy my property on a weekly basis. I'm not ready to sell, but if they don't get a better balance of retail and mixed use, I don't think I'll stay. Dense apartment developments don't seem to maintain value after about 20 years.

 

I see 811 Samuels is listed in the MLS. When did they demolish that house?


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:11 AM

Hi Andy,

It was somewhat surprising to see the multitude of for sale signs suddenly go up on the north end of Samuels including the property of long term homeowners who had lived in their turn of the last century two story home for 30 years or longer.  But developers prefer to buy up larger parcels of land rather than patiently negotiate individual sales with each property owner/seller.  The agent for these properties did the difficult and tedious negotiating work making them more attractive for redevelopment.

 

The estate executor of 819 and 811 Samuels (20,000 sq. feet total for both lots) decided around Christmas 2015 to have 811 Samuels, a two story Foursquare house, (built around 1909-1911) demolished. I thought it could have been rehabilitated but also admit it would have taken a lot of work to do so. The cream brick Bungalow at 819 remains and would need mainly cosmetic work but the executor/seller realizes that the 800 Block of Samuels will soon be encircled on three sides by the pending Garvey House Apartments project. This inevitable situation surely limits the block's appeal for single family residential use. We too have had some "nibbles" (mainly from Dallas investors) but have yet to be under contract. Perhaps the line of thinking among developers is that nearby new development on the Trinity Vision's larger "Panther Island" will include a retail component and therefore could serve the present and future apartment/condo dwellers in the Samuels Avenue/Rock Island neighborhood.

 

I believe the Garvey House Apartments are to have 353 units adding maybe 400 or so new residents to our neighborhood. If Samuels were fully built out with multi-family units, that could add another 1,000 or more residents in the future. I concur with David H's concerns about traffic issues getting worse on the south end of Samuels where the street was narrowed (ostensibly to slow down vehicle speeds) but changes could be made in the future to ease traffic issues. Better planning could have changed the streetscape of Samuels from potentially becoming "Apartmentville" but the time to have done that was over a decade ago. We must also keep in mind the upcoming Stockyards redevelopment which could have some impact on the Samuels Avenue/Rock Island neighborhood as well.

While I'm making this post, has anyone heard about the proposed apartments project east of the Santa Fe tracks (off Gounah St.) where the Tandy Warehouse stands? I noticed months ago a commercial real estate firm had put up a large sign at the corner of E. Peach and Harding soliciting to buy up individual lots in that part of the neighborhood. Seems that most of the near downtown areas in our city are now undergoing redevelopment. I personally think its a good thing that Fort Worth folks are returning to live in the downtown environs. Urban residential living is an essential component of great American cities and it has become a nationwide phenomenon. 



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:54 AM

Yes, I drive along Samuels most days and it is odd to see so many properties for sale, all with the same real estate company. 

 

When all this development finally gets going, it is going to be crazy on the south end of Samuels, where the road is quite narrow and already pretty busy. 

 

It seems crazy that there is no retail included in all of this - we live across from the cemetery and while downtown is only a short walk, there is obviously nowhere to get any grocery items and the people in the new developments will be even further away. I think it has been mentioned here that a small grocery store would do well in this area, especially with the proposed increase in the number of residents. 

 

David,

I just wanted to address the small grocery store topic. When we moved to Samuels Avenue in 1990 there were three retailers for groceries serving the neighborhood. In the 500 Block of Samuels (southeast corner of the intersection of Gounah, St) you had Amin's, a "Mom & Pop" type convenience store that was always busy. Where the Marriot extended stay hotel now stands was another Mom & Pop type convenience store called McCloud's. A bit more distant but still accessible to pedestrian traffic was the Courthouse Market, a true and perhaps ideal sized urban grocery store with a deli prepared foods section that became pretty busy around lunchtimes. There are parcels of land for sale on the east side of Samuels where a small grocery (I think an Aldi's would be a slam-dunk)  could work as well as individual parcels where something like a Starbucks or Subway shop would surely be well patronized. The aforementioned Courthouse market store and the two Mom & Pop stores stayed profitable until the owners were approached and bought out by developers. Since 1990, hundreds or maybe a thousand or more new residents have been added to the neighborhood without any new retail establishments to replace those that were lost. One could argue I suppose that the Chevron/Sonic combo sandwiched between Belknap and Weatherford fulfills this purpose but getting there by car can be challenging and walking there from the neighborhood can be downright perilous. Having a small grocery and a few select small retailers in the neighborhood would seem like a no-brainer to me at least. Can anyone explain or offer a guess as to why this retail anomaly hasn't been addressed? Proximity to retail amenities is one of the appealing and expected aspects of urban living unlike suburbia where housing developments often lack them.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 12:07 PM

Hi Andy,

It was somewhat surprising to see the multitude of for sale signs suddenly go up on the north end of Samuels including the property of long term homeowners who had lived in their turn of the last century two story home for 30 years or longer.  But developers prefer to buy up larger parcels of land rather than patiently negotiate individual sales with each property owner/seller.  The agent for these properties did the difficult and tedious negotiating work making them more attractive for redevelopment....

 

 

....I believe the Garvey House Apartments are to have 353 units adding maybe 400 or so new residents to our neighborhood. If Samuels were fully built out with multi-family units, that could add another 1,000 or more residents in the future. I concur with David H's concerns about traffic issues getting worse on the south end of Samuels where the street was narrowed (ostensibly to slow down vehicle speeds) but changes could be made in the future to ease traffic issues. Better planning could have changed the streetscape of Samuels from potentially becoming "Apartmentville" but the time to have done that was over a decade ago. We must also keep in mind the upcoming Stockyards redevelopment which could have some impact on the Samuels Avenue/Rock Island neighborhood as well...

 

John, if you get a chance, PM me the name of the agent that is listed on those signs at the north end. I'd like to see if I can find the listing.

 

I got stuck behind an inconsiderate Uber driver Monday who parked in the northbound lane waiting for his fare to show up. There was sufficient traffic coming from the other direction that there were four cars including myself waiting for this SOB to load up and get out of the way. 

 

The master plan for Trinity River Vision shows a connector street crossing the river and connecting to Samuels just south of the hamburger plant. I believe this is salvation for the increased traffic in that it will give an alternate route to downtown. It would be my preference that it connect at Pavillion Street and a stoplight be installed, but I'm sure that would be up to the developer that buys the previously mentioned tracts.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:25 PM

I, too, wish we had some retail on Samuels. At this point, we still don't have enough people to support a grocery store, but a coffee shop would be so nice.

 

Have you seen the restaurant coming to Hampton St.? Tia's on the Bluff is the name, I believe.

 

If Hampton St. wasn't so awful, it would help with the traffic flow. I take Hampton in the morning quite a bit, but it's terrible. I've called and emailed and called some more, the city knows. I did receive notification of an upcoming meeting regarding Hampton St. and water/wastewater improvements.

The City of Fort Worth Water Department is hosting a public meeting concerning the North Hampton Street Water & Wastewater Improvement Project. The meeting is Wednesday, Feb. 22, at 2 p.m. in the Water Department’s Conference Room 225 at City Hall, 200 Texas St. 

 

I was at a meeting earlier this evening about the TRV and specifically asked about the connector bridge to Samuels. I was told it was an "if needed" type thing, down the line.

 

Regarding the Talbott-Wall house, if you know anyone interested in it, please let me know. There a quite a few us working together to save it.

 

In the meantime, I'm grateful to see the Garvey saved.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:36 AM

I think the lack of retail in the Samuels area and the fact that we're just now seeing plans for CVS in the center of downtown are both very telling about the critical mass of residents it takes to make retail plausible.



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:16 AM

I have come across an Army Core of Engineers document with 180 pages (!!) of information regarding this project. Included are summaries of the upcoming development, surveys of drainage, photos and floorplans of some existing buildings and conditions on the site, siteplans of the new development.

 

Here's a summary of the project - 

 

 

The Domain at the Bluff to be constructed by Domain at Bluff View, LLC (Applicant), is a proposed 10.8-acre multi-family residential development, located in Fort Worth, Texas (Figure 1). The development would be a 353 unit multi-family complex anchored by the historic Garvey House as the leasing office and boutique resident space for guests. It would have an amenity building with state of the art fitness, presentation kitchen, and living spaces with an infinity edge pool overlooking the scenic views of downtown Fort Worth and Panther Island to the west. A proposed resident park is designed and centered around a signature 57 inch diameter live oak and will include social areas, grilling areas, horseshoe pits, and other outdoor activities. In addition, approximately 2.5 acres of open space are proposed as part of the complex

 

Here's a siteplan-

 

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larger render of the one we've already seen,

 

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-It seems like every structure on the site will be demolished besides Garvey and the Talbott-Wall house at 915 Samuels is listed as "to be relocated".

 

You can see the full document here



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:51 AM

That kept me up past my bedtime last night. Thanks for the link. I had heard some rumblings that demolitions would start in February, but I haven't seen anything yet.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:40 AM

That kept me up past my bedtime last night. Thanks for the link. I had heard some rumblings that demolitions would start in February, but I haven't seen anything yet.

Hi Andy,

Neither have I seen any activity. A fairly reliable source hasn't confirmed the developer closing on their properties yet. (I counted about a half dozen property sellers within the project) However, they may have different closing dates set for different properties. It makes sense to not spend the land acquisition money until the storm-water drainage issue with the Corps of Engineers is resolved but this resolution has been pending for over a month.

I'm very pleased to see the Heritage live Oak west of the northwest corner of Bennett Street is slated to become a landscaping centerpiece. When we bought our Samuels Avenue property in 1989, the elderly owners next to the Heritage live Oak claimed the estimated 400-500 year old tree was used for hangings in early Fort Worth but that kind of passed-down folklore is seldom confirmed by diligent research.  I suspect very few Old West type hangings actually occurred in early Fort Worth and those that did were conducted in public accessible places, not on an obscure privately owned locale on the bluff bank of the Trinity. Early maps do indicate a "Live Oak Point" located on the north end of Samuels near the historic, Traders Oak (Park).  Today, there are only a few surviving large live Oaks near the Traders Oak but surely there were many more extant a century and a half ago. The near Bennett Street example was probably spared the cross-cut saw or ax by some long ago landowner. Thankfully,  its centuries of survival will be honored and commemorated as part of this new development. I highly commend the developers for doing that. Given that we are now only a week away from the end of February, it's likely any initial site work won't happen until March at the earliest.  These large development projects do tend to extend years from concept to completion. I first became aware of it in November 2015. It may take until November of this year (or longer) before leasing of the completed apartments is underway but only the developers know their exact project timeline. 






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