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Posted 05 August 2023 - 03:31 PM

We went on a construction tour of this project earlier in the week, but a busy week has made it difficult find time to write about it.

 
The different elements are at different stages of completion, but as you would expect with the various opening targets, the project is pretty far along.
 
It is clear that it is a project with both careful intentioned planning, and also a willingness to do more; invest more, if it creates a better end result.  Whereas “value engineering” is about costs-first, and perhaps making design compromises, this project gives good attention to the non-dollar-sign columns of the spreadsheet too.  This is done not by being extravagant, but by doing everything that is necessary to make an elegant, functional, and aesthetically beautiful complex that serves many roles: hotel; restaurants, bars, event space, spa, office space, and living space.  Even the integrated parking is well thought-through.
 
It had not really sunk in what a wonderful location this is in the cultural core of our city.  Not only do you have views of The Modern, The Kimbell, Will Rogers, Dickies, the downtown skyline, but there are an abundance of trees all around.  The project itself has the courtyard and balconies and outdoor spaces on different levels to make you feel connected to outside more than most projects.
 
It is oriented in a way that from some locations it feels as though you are suspended out over Camp Bowie with views up and down the street in both directions.  It will look like a glowing lantern for people driving by. 
 
The building itself is built with steel and concrete rather than wood, even the apartments.  It has a sense of sturdiness and longevity to it — like an investment meant to last.  The same is true of the finish materials used.
 
The whole project is a clear statement that you do not need to drive to the east to get these things, we can have them in our city too.  It took someone with confidence in our city to make this kind of investment.
 
I can’t help but feel like this project starts to fill a void our city has had.  Developers have used the risk of the unknown to not to build out this part of the market, or maybe because we just don’t look as good on paper as our neighbors.  But it might just be that we didn’t think there could be patronage for projects like this, not because there was not enough demand, but because there has been no supply to test the theory.  Indications seem to be that if you put nice products on the shelf, Fort Worth just might buy them also.  This is important.  We should always have a full range of options for our city, and something like this is certainly not going to be the fix for all of the usual city growing pains.  But maybe it can show other developers that we can support the full scope of development.
 
The other great documenter of the project’s progress on this forum was with me on this tour, and he might have captured some more interesting pictures than I did.
 
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Posted 05 August 2023 - 05:08 PM

Awesome pics from that perspective.  Thanks for sharing.



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Posted 19 August 2023 - 01:02 PM

Goff's office finish out, according to TDLR, is a whooping $15 million for 25,000 sq ft : https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2023026210



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Posted 19 August 2023 - 05:03 PM

I'm very excited for both this project and Auberge Bowie House a bit down from the Crescent development.  I drive past by these sites several times a week and have to say that part of Camp Bowie which serves the entire Cultural Area is a teeth rattling, pot-hole-pocked, mess.  And throw in the ugly medians for good measure.  I hope the City, maybe in partnership with the developers, and museums, and HCA, have a plan to make some improvements.  The newly landscaped and well paved West Lancaster through downtown is a good example of what might be.  



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Posted 19 August 2023 - 06:11 PM

I'm very excited for both this project and Auberge Bowie House a bit down from the Crescent development.  I drive past by these sites several times a week and have to say that part of Camp Bowie which serves the entire Cultural Area is a teeth rattling, pot-hole-pocked, mess.  And throw in the ugly medians for good measure.  I hope the City, maybe in partnership with the developers, and museums, and HCA, have a plan to make some improvements.  The newly landscaped and well paved West Lancaster through downtown is a good example of what might be.  

Landscaping with streetcars might be attractive in this area...



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Posted 21 August 2023 - 09:46 AM

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2023025408

Project Name: Duro Restaurant
 

 

If this refers to Duro Hospitality (maybe a new concept), I'm in. 

 

https://durohospitality.com/

 

I really like The Charles and Mr. Charles. Very different from the traditional Fort Worth steakhouse type vibe. 



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Posted 21 August 2023 - 10:13 AM

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2023025408

Project Name: Duro Restaurant

 
If this refers to Duro Hospitality (maybe a new concept), I'm in. 
 
https://durohospitality.com/
 
I really like The Charles and Mr. Charles. Very different from the traditional Fort Worth steakhouse type vibe.

Those look great! Will fit well.

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Posted 09 September 2023 - 05:00 PM

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Posted 14 September 2023 - 12:40 PM

I was browsing GFF's portfolio and noticed some renderings I had not yet seen of the residential portion of the building. This is now almost done, so you can see it in-person. 

 

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Also interesting, and something I've wondered about. There is a 9-story building depicted in one of the aerials at the corner of Bolland and 7th. This has been used as the construction staging site for the current project. Perhaps there is a future phase planned here?

 

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Posted 14 September 2023 - 12:58 PM

I was browsing GFF's portfolio and noticed some renderings I had not yet seen of the residential portion of the building. This is now almost done, so you can see it in-person. 

 

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Also interesting, and something I've wondered about. There is a 9-story building depicted in one of the aerials at the corner of Bolland and 7th. This has been used as the construction staging site for the current project. Perhaps there is a future phase planned here?

 

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IMO, that 9story "phase 2" would be a great rounding out of the project



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Posted 14 September 2023 - 01:38 PM

 

Also interesting, and something I've wondered about. There is a 9-story building depicted in one of the aerials at the corner of Bolland and 7th. This has been used as the construction staging site for the current project. Perhaps there is a future phase planned here?

 

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IMO, that 9story "phase 2" would be a great rounding out of the project

 

I agree.  I wonder if Crescent owns that piece of land.  



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Posted 16 September 2023 - 06:33 PM

The curious structure at 3336 Darcy Street will have great views of Phase 2 through its bigass northern windows.  :roflol:



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Posted 21 September 2023 - 12:41 PM

In case anyone wants to invest some pocket change into the new restaurant in the Crescent office building:

 

Duro Hospitality: $4.4 million

Dallas-based restaurant group Duro Hospitality is looking to raise $4.4 million in equity for an entity titled "Duro Ft. Worth Holdings LLC," according to a federal filing.

Duro Hospitality currently operates seven concepts in Dallas, including The Charles, Mister Charles and El Carlos Elegante. The company was founded in 2020 by Benji Homsey, Chas Martin, Corbin See and Ross See following the successful launch of The Charles in 2018.

Duro does not currently have any concepts in Fort Worth.



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Posted 22 September 2023 - 08:47 PM

RE: "Phase II", there is an item on the City Plan Commission to vacate that stub of Darcy Street that currently is in the way.

 

 

5. VA-23-011    Vacation of a Portion of Darcy Street:  Council District 7.   a. Being a vacation of a portion of Darcy Street, as recorded in Volume 204, Page 4 of PRTCT, located in the City of Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas.  b. General Location: North of Camp Bowie Boulevard, south of West 7th Street, west of Van Cliburn Way and east of Boland Street.  c. Applicant:   Westwood Professional Services, Inc.,  d. Applicant Requests: 1) Approval of a recommendation to City Council for the vacation of a small portion (334 square foot or 0.008 acre) of Darcy Street right-ofway).    5 City Plan Commission September 27, 2023 Meeting Agenda e. DRC Recommends: 1) Approval of a recommendation to City Council for the vacation of a small portion (334 square foot or 0.008 acre) of Darcy Street right-ofway. 



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Posted 05 October 2023 - 09:16 AM

In a (paywalled) interview with DBJ, John Goff says Crescent is planning more Cultural District developments. He notes that that the Museum Place site has more land and they are seeing interest and working on another building. Sounds like it will be office space+retail most likely: https://www.bizjourn...eal-estate.html

 

He has a lot of other great qoutes as well on what he thinks Fort Worth should be doing. I particularly liked his note that Fort Worth should be careful about creating sprawl and look to create neighborhoods with character.



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Posted 05 October 2023 - 05:35 PM

In a (paywalled) interview with DBJ, John Goff says Crescent is planning more Cultural District developments.


Wouldn't mind if they start looking to certain other parts of the city, too...

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Posted 05 October 2023 - 08:42 PM

I particularly liked his note that Fort Worth should be careful about creating sprawl and look to create neighborhoods with character.

 

Seems to me that the city has already let the horse out of the barn on this one.  Creating sprawl is what Fort Worth does best.  The only reason the city's population is as large as it is is because it keeps sprawling all over the place.



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Posted 05 October 2023 - 09:07 PM

 

I particularly liked his note that Fort Worth should be careful about creating sprawl and look to create neighborhoods with character.

 

Seems to me that the city has already let the horse out of the barn on this one.  Creating sprawl is what Fort Worth does best.  The only reason the city's population is as large as it is is because it keeps sprawling all over the place.

 

That's not just a Fort Worth issue, though. ALL the major cities in the sunbelt are sprawling.

It's just more noticeable for Fort Worth due to the lack of building up... 


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Posted 06 October 2023 - 12:36 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if you just take the population of FW inside Loop 820 it would be about 400k which is the size it has been for the better part of the 1/2 century.



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Posted 06 October 2023 - 12:54 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if you just take the population of FW inside Loop 820 it would be about 400k which is the size it has been for the better part of the 1/2 century.

Possible.

The majority of the growth has been north of Mecham. 


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Posted 18 October 2023 - 12:23 AM

The curious structure at 3336 Darcy Street will have great views of Phase 2 through its bigass northern windows.  :roflol:

Indeed.



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Posted 30 October 2023 - 11:13 AM

"...The Crescent Fort Worth is defined as a Trophy/AA building...""

 

 “...And the perfect example in Fort Worth is The Crescent. I think they’re 94% pre-leased.”

 

 

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Posted 31 October 2023 - 09:00 AM

Impressive amount of work to fill an unopened building beyond the regional office occupany amount. A flight to quality is obvious here. 



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Posted 06 November 2023 - 04:28 PM

Yes, agreed. This building evidently is getting rents that are roughly $20-30/SF higher than some other Class A buildings (most of that inventory was developed in the 1980s, but maintained and renovated over years).  And, they reportedly had more companies interested than space available to lease.

 

John Goff recently was interviewed in at least two local podcasts.  One was the Fort Podcast, which is real estate focused, and the other is Innovate Fort Worth, where the discussion revolves more around economic development, talent, and (of course) innovation.  He addresses this development in both interviews.  In the Fort Podcast interview he does address the flight to quality. 

 

This is happening across the US, but a little differently in each city.  Some percentage of office using companies have been choosing to leave otherwise nice (Class A) office buildings built during the 1980s-2000s for brand new buildings.  They are paying significantly higher rent in the newest AA buildings, but many are simultaneously shrinking the size of the office .  This is exacerbating the financial problems for these 10-40 year old buildings that are not residential conversion candidates and cannot find any lenders to refinance their loans when they mature - for now anyway.



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Posted 07 November 2023 - 09:12 AM

S-T Crescent Hotel article highlights ahead of grand opening:

Exclusive: See inside one of the most expensive luxury hotels in Fort Worth (by Jenny Rudolph)

https://www.star-tel...e281251993.html

 

The Star-T story has a line near the end that makes it sound like Crescent has plans for street improvements along Camp Bowie outside their property to calm traffic and making walking more enjoyable?... I wonder what that means.... and if that means they will somehow be paying for it?

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Posted 08 November 2023 - 08:11 AM

The Star-T story has a line near the end that makes it sound like Crescent has plans for street improvements along Camp Bowie outside their property to calm traffic and making walking more enjoyable?... I wonder what that means.... and if that means they will somehow be paying for it?

 

Wow, cool! From the article:

 

Crescent Real Estate ... plans to improve the streets along Camp Bowie Boulevard from Montgomery Street to University Drive in the future.

 

I bet Crescent will signalize at least one of the existing unprotected crosswalks at Van Cliburn Way or Will Rogers Road. I wish they'd go further and write some truly enormous checks to implement the cultural district roundabout at Montgomery and fix the six-way intersection at University by making it four-way

 

Edit: Oops, I meant Clifton Street or Will Rogers Road!



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Posted 08 November 2023 - 10:05 AM

I bet Crescent will signalize at least one of the existing unprotected crosswalks at Van Cliburn Road or Will Rogers Road. 

 

The intersection at Van Cliburn also has one of those frustrating L shaped crosswalks, with no marked crosswalk on the West side of the intersection. If you wanted to walk from the hotel to the Kimbell, you'd have to cross three streets. My assumption is that they do these so that right-turning cars won't be in conflict with pedestrians. I wish the City would make it a policy to have crosswalks at every side of an intersection, especially in high-pedestrian areas. 



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Posted 08 November 2023 - 12:21 PM

If you recall way back when the bricks on the road were in rough shape, there was an assessment for business owners along the street to restore the "charm" of the street.  So the idea of private participation to improve things is not unprecedented.



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Posted 08 November 2023 - 09:26 PM

The hotel is already buzzing. 

 

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Posted 09 November 2023 - 07:13 AM

 

I bet Crescent will signalize at least one of the existing unprotected crosswalks at Van Cliburn Road or Will Rogers Road. 

 

The intersection at Van Cliburn also has one of those frustrating L shaped crosswalks, with no marked crosswalk on the West side of the intersection. If you wanted to walk from the hotel to the Kimbell, you'd have to cross three streets. My assumption is that they do these so that right-turning cars won't be in conflict with pedestrians. I wish the City would make it a policy to have crosswalks at every side of an intersection, especially in high-pedestrian areas. 

 

Oops, I meant to write Clifton Street instead of Van Cliburn; edited my post above. But, you're right, the existing Van Cliburn L-shaped crosswalk sucks too and should be updated into a full-square crosswalk.

 

I am excited for this. However, first impression is that the building from the outside and signage are much more understated than I expected. I was just comparing first impressions to places like the Ritz-Carleton that perhaps evoke feelings of grandeur with a strong a sense of place, something that draws you in. So are we looking at the front entrance here in these shots or is this a side valet entrance?

 

In the photos above we can see a bit of the hotel's frontage on Van Cliburn, and I think it looks just as understated as the hotel's Camp Bowie frontage. So, I don't think we'll get any more grandeur. In any case, the understated look works for me personally.



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Posted 09 November 2023 - 08:16 AM

I think Austin55's first image shows how it will work out:  the glow from the corner building's high-ceilinged ground floor bar and the eventual top floor bar, as well as looking into the hotel lobby artwork and through to the glow of the courtyard will invite people in (at least at night) like a display case of activity and luxury.

 

It is probably better that they don't try to externally outshine the architecture and landscape of the museums across the street, and instead balance it with an understated and substantial, high-quality building.



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Posted 09 November 2023 - 12:25 PM

I think Austin55's first image shows how it will work out:  the glow from the corner building's high-ceilinged ground floor bar and the eventual top floor bar, as well as looking into the hotel lobby artwork and through to the glow of the courtyard will invite people in (at least at night) like a display case of activity and luxury.

 

It is probably better that they don't try to externally outshine the architecture and landscape of the museums across the street, and instead balance it with an understated and substantial, high-quality building.

Totally agree with you on all your points.  Less assuming works best in the cultural district; especially with the Kimball being directly across the street.



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Posted 15 November 2023 - 08:54 AM

I had a drink at the Crescent with some friends on Sunday afternoon. The whole thing is first class, its beautiful.

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Posted 15 November 2023 - 09:53 AM

I think maybe the draperies are more luxurious and less commercial-feeling.  It is completely possible (likely even, in the big spaces) that they are powered.  I have stayed in quite a few hotels that were this way in the rooms.  There are also acoustic benefits to that fabric.



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Posted 19 November 2023 - 01:52 PM

Dallas Morning News, https://www.dallasne...or-resort-firm/
Canyon Ranch Wellness Club will open in the next few weeks as part of the Crescent project. The three-story 20,000 sqft spa will be accessible to guests at the hotel and Canyon Ranch members.

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Posted 26 November 2023 - 09:24 PM

I took some time off from work today to go out and take a few photographs.  This is an overall view of the Crescent Hotel and the residences behind it.

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Posted 28 November 2023 - 05:59 AM

I think maybe the draperies are more luxurious and less commercial-feeling.  It is completely possible (likely even, in the big spaces) that they are powered.  I have stayed in quite a few hotels that were this way in the rooms.  There are also acoustic benefits to that fabric.

That's what I think too. Draperies do tend to impart a more luxurious feel to a space.

Some of it comes down to the look (and feel) of the fabric, obviously. While this pertains to a different interior design situation, one of my favorite clothing brands has these beautiful (and heavy) striped satin drapes on their fitting rooms in many of their stores; they look and feel quite luxurious:

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I've been to other locations of this same brand that replaced those aforementioned satin drapes with different fabrics (or with doors); at least in my opinion, those spaces lost some of that luxurious look and feel.


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Posted 06 December 2023 - 08:33 PM

Website for the Crescent residences is live: https://thecrescentr...es.com/gallery/



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Posted 07 December 2023 - 01:19 PM

Website for the Crescent residences is live: https://thecrescentr...es.com/gallery/

I saw a lady walking a dog earlier this week and she went inside the building as if she lived there.  I'm assuming at least one phase of the western building is ready and being leased out to tenants wanting to get in early. It's that or maybe she could have been a leasing agent who brought her dog to work



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Posted 07 December 2023 - 05:43 PM

Inline with what we talked about on the Deco thread. These prices are certainly renovating my house in Monticello vibes. However, these sort of price points do help put us on the map.

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Posted 07 December 2023 - 06:07 PM

I seem to remember them mentioning that TCU parents were a big market. 


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Posted 26 December 2023 - 04:03 PM


https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2023025408

Project Name: Duro Restaurant
 

 
If this refers to Duro Hospitality (maybe a new concept), I'm in. 
 
https://durohospitality.com/
 
I really like The Charles and Mr. Charles. Very different from the traditional Fort Worth steakhouse type vibe. 
This Duro restaurant is one of the Dallas Morning News' most exciting new restaurants opening in 2024.

The paper doesn't know many details, just that it's 3,500 sqft on the first floor and patio, that it will be a high-end concept Duro hasn't done before, and that it wont be Italian.

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Posted 26 December 2023 - 04:28 PM

 

 

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2023025408

Project Name: Duro Restaurant
 

 
If this refers to Duro Hospitality (maybe a new concept), I'm in. 
 
https://durohospitality.com/
 
I really like The Charles and Mr. Charles. Very different from the traditional Fort Worth steakhouse type vibe. 
This Duro restaurant is one of the Dallas Morning News' most exciting new restaurants opening in 2024.

The paper doesn't know many details, just that it's 3,500 sqft on the first floor and patio, that it will be a high-end concept Duro hasn't done before, and that it wont be Italian.

 

 

I recently saw some the details on this. Traditional upscale, menu includes raw items (oysters, tartare, etc.), handmade pastas, fish, meats, skillet vegetables, and a wagyu burger. Very high end finish out. Google 'Harry's Bar London' or 'Polo Bar New York' to see what they're going for. 



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Posted 20 February 2024 - 10:14 AM

Website for the Crescent residences is live: https://thecrescentr...es.com/gallery/

 

Has anyone checked out the prices here? The cheapest unit I see is $2,278 for 707 sqft on the second floor and the most expensive is $8,750 for a 1760 sqft corner unit on the top floor. I'm guessing this is taking the crown as the priciest place to rent in Fort Worth. 



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Posted 25 March 2024 - 12:38 PM

There was a famous Chumley's in the West Village in NYC for a long time that closed during the pandemic.  I wonder if that's where they got the name idea.

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Chumley's



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Posted 28 March 2024 - 08:46 AM

More renderings of the next phase office building via DMN: https://www.dallasne...th-development/

 

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Posted 28 March 2024 - 10:37 AM

Nice building



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Posted 01 April 2024 - 12:49 PM

Anyone know what the total height is of the planned new Crescent West office building?

And what the total height is of the current Crescent East one?  I think those are the names they mentioned.

Can't open the DMN one but saw on FWBP and  FW Inc website & newsletter.

 

I care a lot about how these meet the streets - esp W 7th Streets.  Those driveways they do in the office buildings in uptown Dallas can make really awkward sidewalk environments. I mention those b/c Crescent has built in that uptown Dal NH and could see how they or design team might take cues from what has worked well there.



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Posted 01 April 2024 - 12:57 PM

As of right now, I do not have the height of the new Crescent West Office Building.  It is probably a little too early to get it.  I do have the height of the Crescent East Office Building.  It is 8 stories and 130 feet in height.  Crescent East is listed in the Fort Worth's Tallest Building Page as the 75th tallest in the city.  On that page, it is called out as "The Crescent Offices".



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Posted 01 April 2024 - 07:28 PM

I'm glad that area is starting to bulk up. It would be neat if over time Bailey was kind of an urban strip as well. So many vacant and worn out small commercial buildings like old car dealerships, etc, down that way that surely developers would have their eyes on.







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