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Posted 12 April 2017 - 01:45 PM

http://www.msn.com/e...artandhp#page=3



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 06:08 PM

http://www.msn.com/e...artandhp#page=3


I love the comments. All of them negative about the cities on the list. Especially for Fort Worth which someone said is "pretty much just Dallas". It irks me when people make comments knowing that they have clearly never been here.

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:23 PM

This is just another indication, IMO,  that leisure tourism should be the focus of the City.  I think that Fort Worth is actually among good company with the other four cities.  The positive is that the national media is now seeing Fort Worth distinctively.  It is a fact that the City is and has its own story to tell apart from the oft to given story of regionalism.



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:29 PM

Pretty fair list, no big surprises. KC is fantastic (thanks in no part to that recent streetcar...)



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:35 PM

My hometown of Buffalo at Number 2:D


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:47 PM

Once and for all settling the longtime civic rivalry of Buffalo v Fort Worth



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:51 PM

Ha!

 

Actually, Fort Worth has two major businesses that used to be in Buffalo:  Bell Helicopter and Consolidated Aircraft (> Convair > General Dynamics > Lockheed) both started in Buffalo.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:56 PM

Oh, and I started in Buffalo too.  ;)


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 07:48 AM

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:31 AM

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?

 

 None.



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:43 AM

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?


I thought the same thing. Also, which one of the 5 is the major anchor of their metro area?

I also hear what renamerusk is coming from... I have always viewed the Rangers as Tarrant County's team. Especially now that Arlington is on board and has stopped turning it's back in Fort Worth.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 11:02 AM

I thought the same thing. Also, which one of the 5 is the major anchor of their metro area?

 

Face it. Without the duel anchors of North Texas, Houston is the largest metro area in Texas.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:05 PM

 

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?

 

 None.

 

Incorrect answer.  Fort Worth is the only one of the five without a major league sports team.  I meant to include all sports. There are the Buffalo Bills; Kansas City Royals and Chiefs; San Diego Padres and Chargers; Detroit Tigers and Lions.  Sad to say, but the author exaggerates  about these other cities being overlooked.  Fort Worth is truly the only one of the five that is under-rated, at least from a sports fan's perspective.



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:17 PM

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:00 PM

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.

 

Actually I lied, if you use City Hall for each city as the reference.  It's 12 for Buffalo and 15 for Fort Worth.  The point is still valid though; the Rangers are in about the same relationship to Fort Worth as the Bills are to Buffalo in terms of location.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:03 PM

 

 

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?

 

 None.

 

Incorrect answer.  Fort Worth is the only one of the five without a major league sports team.....

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

The Cowboys and the Rangers are Community Property. 

 

The Cowboys' Fan Base stretches across 85% of Texas; and includes all of Oklahoma and a large part of New Mexico.  The Rangers' Fan Base takes in West, East and Northwest Texas.  I have observed this to be true.

 

The branding of the team as "Dallas" is as Hamilton Burger would say "Is irrelevant and immaterial".



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:45 PM


 


Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?

 
 None.
 
Incorrect answer.  Fort Worth is the only one of the five without a major league sports team.  I meant to include all sports. There are the Buffalo Bills; Kansas City Royals and Chiefs; San Diego Padres and Chargers; Detroit Tigers and Lions.  Sad to say, but the author exaggerates  about these other cities being overlooked.  Fort Worth is truly the only one of the five that is under-rated, at least from a sports fan's perspective.

Don't foeget the Sabres from the NHL
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Posted 13 April 2017 - 03:48 PM

And the Chargers will start playing in Los Angeles this season.

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 07:45 PM

 

 

 

Quiz question:  Which of the five cities does not have a professional major-league sports team?

 
 None.
 
Incorrect answer.  Fort Worth is the only one of the five without a major league sports team.  I meant to include all sports. There are the Buffalo Bills; Kansas City Royals and Chiefs; San Diego Padres and Chargers; Detroit Tigers and Lions.  Sad to say, but the author exaggerates  about these other cities being overlooked.  Fort Worth is truly the only one of the five that is under-rated, at least from a sports fan's perspective.

Don't foeget the Sabres from the NHL
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Thank you.  I wasn't going to mention them; I wanted to see if anyone else would.  You win Buffalo Backer points today.  :)


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:00 PM

The Sabres may play in the NHL, but I'm not sure they are reallllly an NHL team  :swg:



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 09:38 PM

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.

 

The Buffalo Bills are named after Buffalo, so people associate the team with Buffalo.

 

However, the Texas Rangers are *not* named after Fort Worth, so people rarely associate the team with Fort Worth.


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 06:09 AM

 

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.

 

The Buffalo Bills are named after Buffalo, so people associate the team with Buffalo.

 

However, the Texas Rangers are *not* named after Fort Worth, so people rarely associate the team with Fort Worth.

 

 

You are so correct.  What I meant by "having" a major-league sports team was being identified with it.  Perception underlies the "under-rated" criteria the cities that were measured in the probably informal survey above, and so perception applies to my quiz, as well.  The Cowboys don't play in Dallas, of course, but it's Dallas's football team, because it's perceived across the country as being such.  Perception shapes image, and major-league sports in our country shapes perception of the city as a sports brand.  I believe Jerry Jones understands this as an intellectual property issue safeguarding the brand name "Dallas Cowboys."  If it were not for its sports brand, would anybody think twice about little Green Bay, Wisconsin?



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 06:18 AM

I went to Buffalo NY for the first time two years ago and was shocked at what a beautiful city it is.  Granted it was summer and I cannot stand snow, so I don't know if I would have felt that way if it was winter.  And I've never felt San Diego was underrated. 



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 07:10 AM

 

 

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.

 

The Buffalo Bills are named after Buffalo, so people associate the team with Buffalo.

 

However, the Texas Rangers are *not* named after Fort Worth, so people rarely associate the team with Fort Worth.

 

 

You are so correct.  What I meant by "having" a major-league sports team was being identified with it.  Perception underlies the "under-rated" criteria the cities that were measured in the probably informal survey above, and so perception applies to my quiz, as well.  The Cowboys don't play in Dallas, of course, but it's Dallas's football team, because it's perceived across the country as being such.  Perception shapes image, and major-league sports in our country shapes perception of the city as a sports brand.  I believe Jerry Jones understands this as an intellectual property issue safeguarding the brand name "Dallas Cowboys."  If it were not for its sports brand, would anybody think twice about little Green Bay, Wisconsin?

 

 So, by some psychological association,  when a pro team wins an entire city is considered a winner by an outsider and a business selection committee; and when a pro team loses that same city is considered a loser by that same outsider; and this cycle continues year round from sport season to sport season for every city has a team that wins and loses making it impossible to make a business decision.  If the only way that a city can achieve recognition and gain the interest of businesses is through the athletic exploits of its overpaid, often academically challenged entertainers, then a city, I suggest,  has its priorities misplaced.

 

Lets understand that professional sports are businesses; and most leagues are in a cartel owned and operated by billionaires who do not hesitate to pit one city against another city to get ever larger subsidies.  Are St. Louis,  San Diego and Oakland going to be forgotten by business such that it is the end of the world? The NFL discover Las Vegas? Is Los Angeles exponentially greater because it will now have two additional professional teams to go with the six professional teams already located there?  There is already rumbling that will turn into concern about the future of AA Arena, should and when Mark Cuban decides on building a new arena for his team. 

 

I feel that Fort Worth has a very good situation going for itself without all the baggage.  For any of its residents, there is the opportunity to watch or attend a sporting event without having to make a choice between stadium and streets/sewers/public safety, etc. Personally, I am quite comfortable identifying each of the local teams by their mascot (Rangers, Cowboys, etc.) when the occasions arises that I am referring to them or on the rare occasion that I purchase to wear their souvenirs.

 

I can think of several reasons why Fort Worth is in the proverbial shadow, the lack of a professional team, if it is any factor at all, is way down the list.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 07:32 AM

And I've never felt San Diego was underrated.


That's exactly what I thought when I saw this list the other day. People regularly gush over San Diego: the weather, beautiful coastline, the downtown waterfront, Coronado, the Gas Lamp area, the zoo. And after vacationing there last summer, it's all legit.

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

 

 

Buffalo Bills don't play in Buffalo.  The Rangers stadium is closer to Ft Worth than New Era Field is to Buffalo.

 

The Buffalo Bills are named after Buffalo, so people associate the team with Buffalo.

 

However, the Texas Rangers are *not* named after Fort Worth, so people rarely associate the team with Fort Worth.

 

 

You are so correct.  What I meant by "having" a major-league sports team was being identified with it.  Perception underlies the "under-rated" criteria the cities that were measured in the probably informal survey above, and so perception applies to my quiz, as well.  The Cowboys don't play in Dallas, of course, but it's Dallas's football team, because it's perceived across the country as being such.  Perception shapes image, and major-league sports in our country shapes perception of the city as a sports brand.  I believe Jerry Jones understands this as an intellectual property issue safeguarding the brand name "Dallas Cowboys."  If it were not for its sports brand, would anybody think twice about little Green Bay, Wisconsin?

 

 So, by some psychological association,  when a pro team wins an entire city is considered a winner by an outsider and a business selection committee; and when a pro team loses that same city is considered a loser by that same outsider; and this cycle continues year round from sport season to sport season for every city has a team that wins and loses making it impossible to make a business decision.  If the only way that a city can achieve recognition and gain the interest of businesses is through the athletic exploits of its overpaid, often academically challenged entertainers, then a city, I suggest,  has its priorities misplaced.

 

Lets understand that professional sports are businesses; and most leagues are in a cartel owned and operated by billionaires who do not hesitate to pit one city against another city to get ever larger subsidies.  Are St. Louis,  San Diego and Oakland going to be forgotten by business such that it is the end of the world? The NFL discover Las Vegas? Is Los Angeles exponentially greater because it will now have two additional professional teams to go with the six professional teams already located there?  There is already rumbling that will turn into concern about the future of AA Arena, should and when Mark Cuban decides on building a new arena for his team. 

 

I feel that Fort Worth has a very good situation going for itself without all the baggage.  For any of its residents, there is the opportunity to watch or attend a sporting event without having to make a choice between stadium and streets/sewers/public safety, etc. Personally, I am quite comfortable identifying each of the local teams by their mascot (Rangers, Cowboys, etc.) when the occasions arises that I am referring to them or on the rare occasion that I purchase to wear their souvenirs.

 

I can think of several reasons why Fort Worth is in the proverbial shadow, the lack of a professional team, if it is any factor at all, is way down the list.

 

I think you may be making a broader argument that what I'm suggesting about the power of image identification.  I do think having a pro team contributes greatly to a city's national notoriety, at least while the great masses are still nfluenced by sports network coverage.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 12:50 PM

I think you may be making a broader argument that what I'm suggesting about the power of image identification.  I do think having a pro team contributes greatly to a city's national notoriety, at least while the great masses are still nfluenced by sports network coverage......

 

The argument that I am making is a narrow one. 

 

I am suggesting that the image that a business is more likely to take in account is one of a community's reputation (notoriety)  for being business friendly.  I cannot recall, if ever, a company citing that a professional team was a contributing factor in making an important business decision; or have I ever heard of a professional sports organization being able to persuade a business in the decision making process. 

 

I agree with you that pro teams can make contributions to a city/metro as something to rally around collectively; but that seems to be solely at the local level.

 

Recent trends are indicating that the great masses are less influence by network coverage regardless of its characterization.  Streaming and the ability to tailor ones diversionary choices is why Sport Networks' as well as cable service providers' viewership and subscriptions are on a steep decline.  It is encouraging to witness more cities now refusing to take the threats of very wealthy professional leagues and their owners to relocate as a deathblow to a community. 

 

With all of the four "major sports leagues" having a representative team in the area, Fort Worth has the luxury of focusing its attention getting efforts in other areas; areas that will help in making it a distinctive destination for tourists and businesses that are interested to visit or set roots here.



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Posted 17 April 2017 - 04:49 PM

We were mentioned in a recent episode of American Dad... WITHOUT Dallas... so there's that.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:51 AM

Wonderful.  I'm sure we can find other examples that run counter to the findings of the "survey" results in the link in Post# 1.  I among others have been rationalizing based on those results, when we maybe should have been questioning the methodology that produced the results.  This was probably not a statistical survey.  There are a lot of what I call "fluff" surveys on the Internet, like "One hundred most livable cities" or "Ten most traffic-congested cities."



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:10 PM

I don't think this article claims to have done a survey.  From what I can tell, their methodology consists of
 

Cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles get all the hype when most tourists think about planning trips to a prominent U.S. city, but there are a handful of extremely underrated cities that can provide just as much, if not more, tourism and fun.

 
At best, it's an opinion piece submitted by an aspiring author named Andrew Kulha to a content provider called TravelPulse which was picked up by the msn newsfeed.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 04:16 PM

 

 

 

With all of the four "major sports leagues" having a representative team in the area, Fort Worth has the luxury of focusing its attention getting efforts in other areas; areas that will help in making it a distinctive destination for tourists and businesses that are interested to visit or set roots here.

 

I've not seen any example where the Dallas Cowboys, Mavericks or Stars care anything about me as a Fort Worthian so I only root for the Arlington, TX Rangers.

 

Thank God for the TCU Horned Frogs who are great representatives for Fort Worth. 



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 04:27 PM

According to Conde Nast traveler's " 6 U.S. Cities to Watch in 2017"

 

 

You can probably name five major Texas cities and, odds are, Fort Worth isn't one of them. Home to top-notch museums (the Modern Art Museum and Kimbell are our favorites) that rival Houston and Dallas, a music scene on the verge of competing with Austin thanks to local crooner Leon Bridges and Niles City Sound, new barbecue pilgrimages, breweries, and a rodeo like nowhere else, the city has given us plenty of reasons to reconsider its place in our top Texas cities. Head to Magnolia Avenue and take your pick, from new BBQ kids on the block Heim to Instagram-worthy MELT ice cream, and then stop by the car mechanic/wine bar Kent & Co (trust us, it works). But just because Fort Worth is evolving doesn't mean its rodeo roots aren't worth exploring: You can still watch the city's longhorns make their way to the stockyards, twice a day, at 11:30 a.m. and 4 p.m.

 

Detroit, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Milwaukee and Baltimore round out the list.

 

On a side note I wondered "Who would name 5 but not include Fort Worth?" I looked at the results of a Sporcle quiz game where players have to name as many of the top 25 largest cities in Texas as possible. Fort Worth came in 5th, at 79.5% of people answering with it. The "big 4" all were over 90% answered. El Paso was not far behind FW at 76.9%, and Corpus was 7th but had a big drop off down to 52.9%. Arlington was 11th, with 45.6% answering with it. Lubbock, Waco and Amarillo all finished ahead of Arlington, so it seems being an independent metro area is a better way to get your name out there than by being home of a pro team.This is all just some pretty basic data though. 



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:31 PM

The newfound national media attention can mean only one thing: more hotel rooms and more tourist related jobs and sales. 






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