DT: Omni Fort Worth Hotel (447 FT/33 ST/2008)
#101
Posted 24 January 2007 - 09:51 PM
A few weeks ago, an informed source told me the true height of the building and when the signage, landscape, and lighting package was released, the building was dimensioned all the way to the top. The drawings used for the signage package appeared to be the construction drawings for the building. This was presented to the Downtown Design Review Board in PDF format. I had trouble reading the numbers, but it appeared the overall dimension matched my informed source.
I'm finally going to tell the forum the information about the height of the building, and once we know this information, we will have to start splitting hairs. From what I can determine, the height of the Omni Fort Worth Hotel will be 547 feet. Rounded to the nearest foot, this makes the Omni and the D.R. Horton Tower at the same height. Actual dimensions show that the D.R. Horton Tower is 546'-9" tall. The Omni's drawings indicate 547'-0". In viewing the skyline from a distance, it will all be a matter of perspective as to which of the two buildings appears taller. The finish floor of the new Omni should be about 4 feet lower than D.R. Horton's finish floor. Therefore, the top of the D.R. Horton Tower would be higher above sea level.
I'm now switching gears to the lighting, signage, and landscaping. There will be signs on the lower part of the building identifying the various restaurants tenants on the ground floor. They will be internally illuminated metal channel letters. There will be two signs on top of the hotel at 16th Floor that are 5'-0" tall and 38 feet long. These signs will also be internally illuminated metal channel letters reading "Omni Hotel". One of these signs faces south and the other faces east on that side of the west wing of the "L" shaped tower. There won't be any large Omni Signs on the west side of the building because that will have the entrance to the condominiums. Lighting and landscaping around the site will be similar to the Convention Center. At the time this was presented to the DDRB, there was nothing included to light the glass condominium portion of the structure. That is why I said it was nothing imaginative. The building will have standard red aircraft warning lights on top.
#102
Posted 24 January 2007 - 10:28 PM
I love the design, (IMO) it will be the best looking tower in DTFW (by far)!!!
I do wish the night lighting was going to be more, perhaps something that is a bright white/clear transparent look at the top (IMO).
But, I give it an A, and for being a "new tower" in DTFW (last since early 80's) That makes it an A+++!!!
Now lets get it up!
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C. Perkins
#103
Posted 24 January 2007 - 10:37 PM
If they do decide to add decorative lighting to the tower portion, they can always go back to the Downtown Design Review Board with these revisions.
#104
Posted 25 January 2007 - 12:20 AM
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Kara B.
#105
Posted 25 January 2007 - 12:57 AM
Not sure what the "other glass box" is on top in 2nd image (lighted)
But thought I would share the images after I got throught playing around with the Omni. The lighted areas are more brighter than I ment... more transparent Is what I was going for (like Pier1)
Just MO!!
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C. Perkins
#106
Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:20 AM
Playing around with Google Sketchup and Google Earth, I made a (very) rough 3D version of the Omni and placed it in Google Earth:
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Kara B.
#107
Posted 25 January 2007 - 05:59 AM
#108
Posted 25 January 2007 - 08:56 AM
I added the Omni sign (I hope right spot). AG, I agree, after playing with this image last night I too think it would look great! Get rid of the Christmas light display, after all BP has more bad bulbs that good bulbs, year around. I even think some section have dif. colored (yellow) bulbs.
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C. Perkins
#109
Posted 25 January 2007 - 04:45 PM
#110
Posted 28 January 2007 - 09:45 PM
I'm also surprised that very few of you have commented that the building may be 547'-0" tall. I'm curious to see everyone's opinion about us getting a new 2nd tallest building.
#111
Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:15 PM
#112
Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:17 PM
I think some of us are still kind of in disbelief, plus this kind of positive news throws a curve ball to the pessimistic types.
And thanks for all the great news - once again.
#113
Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:24 PM
#114
Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:34 PM
I hate to sound like the broken record….. But, it has been way to long since such “new” projects took place in DTFW! At that time I was kicking dirt around at Monnig Middle School and I am 34
A new 2nd tallest is great, I just wish it replaced BP in my opinion. However, I am soooo ready to start looking at it everyday from the west side!
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C. Perkins
#115
Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:37 PM
#116
Posted 11 February 2007 - 10:57 AM
Perkins, the sign is in the right location.
#117
Posted 11 February 2007 - 08:11 PM
#118
Posted 11 February 2007 - 08:51 PM
#119
Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:14 PM
While the dirt ramp is still there and not all of the first-level columns have been poured, they have started setting forms for the first elevated floor (two floors below grade).
#120
Posted 14 February 2007 - 05:09 PM
#121
Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:43 PM
#122
Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:36 AM
#123
Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:14 PM
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#124
Posted 19 February 2007 - 01:43 PM
#125
Posted 19 February 2007 - 11:11 PM
http://www.austinpro...mni/webcam.html
#126
Posted 19 February 2007 - 11:33 PM
#127
Posted 20 February 2007 - 02:15 PM
#128
Posted 20 February 2007 - 02:21 PM
#129
Posted 20 February 2007 - 03:35 PM
Something about the combination of scale, speed, and refresh rates makes it look like little toys or a cartoon, somewhat comical.
It's not completely obvious in the webcam, but they started teraing out the dirt ramp today.
The camera must be on the south east roof corner of Burnet Plaza. This kind of sucks because there is nothing I can now tell you about the site that camera does not. It's amost the exact same view I have (I'm down a couple of floors from the top). It is kind of cool watching a car go by in real time, and then seeing it on the camera about 4 seconds later.
#130
Posted 20 February 2007 - 08:19 PM
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#131
Posted 21 February 2007 - 06:35 AM
#132
Posted 21 February 2007 - 09:55 AM
#133
Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:54 AM
#134
Posted 23 February 2007 - 03:30 PM
#135
Posted 24 February 2007 - 07:41 PM
#136
Posted 25 February 2007 - 12:49 AM
Just thinking about some of the comments about missing the Condo boom here in FW, 98 condominiums have to take a few floors out of the 34 story tower portion of the CC Hotel. Anyone know exactly how many floors will be dedicated to the condominiums? I was thinking that most of the 34 stories would be, than if you compare FW today to what was here in 2000 - we have a 37 and a 34 story condo tower. Not really missing the boom I would say. And I guess thats not including the 2nd portion of the Old Tandy Buildings.
^^^ You are kidding, right? I mean, the whole idea of a BUILDING boom is the fact that a significant amount of buildings get BUILT. So, the Tower was already here and we have the CC hotel being built. Almost everything else is a redevelopment project. Maybe you consider building 1 building over 20 stories in over 20 years a boom, but most would not. And, even if we do count the 34 and 37 story towers as "boom time", well I think that 2 buildings is far short of a building boom, especially when one of the 2 tower was already here. If you really want see a building boom, go to Chicago, Miami, or Dallas.... but don't look at DT FW and think that is any thing near being a building boom. And, really, it's not about missing the condo boom as much as it is about just missing the building boom... There are a lot of cities around the country with completely stagnant growth, yet towers are going up everywhere (Dallas for one) and here sits poor FW with the fastest growing population of any major U.S. city and you practically have to bribe a builder to build something over 10 stories. Any way you look at it, FW has missed the boom. Sure, we've gotten some new stuff, but in general... we are lagging way behind other major cities when it comes to building. Heck, Dallas' Victory project alone practically matches what FW built in the 80's... during the largest building boom in this cities history - and that's just one of the big projects in Dallas..... The Tandy building and the Tower really aren't what I would consider "building" since they were just redevelopment of older buildings. To me, new building means a new building goes up and changes the skyline... We just don't hvae that happening, other than the CC hotel...
#137
Posted 25 February 2007 - 03:24 AM
Just thinking about some of the comments about missing the Condo boom here in FW, 98 condominiums have to take a few floors out of the 34 story tower portion of the CC Hotel. Anyone know exactly how many floors will be dedicated to the condominiums? I was thinking that most of the 34 stories would be, than if you compare FW today to what was here in 2000 - we have a 37 and a 34 story condo tower. Not really missing the boom I would say. And I guess thats not including the 2nd portion of the Old Tandy Buildings.
^^^ You are kidding, right? I mean, the whole idea of a BUILDING boom is the fact that a significant amount of buildings get BUILT. So, the Tower was already here and we have the CC hotel being built. Almost everything else is a redevelopment project. Maybe you consider building 1 building over 20 stories in over 20 years a boom, but most would not. And, even if we do count the 34 and 37 story towers as "boom time", well I think that 2 buildings is far short of a building boom, especially when one of the 2 tower was already here. If you really want see a building boom, go to Chicago, Miami, or Dallas.... but don't look at DT FW and think that is any thing near being a building boom. And, really, it's not about missing the condo boom as much as it is about just missing the building boom... There are a lot of cities around the country with completely stagnant growth, yet towers are going up everywhere (Dallas for one) and here sits poor FW with the fastest growing population of any major U.S. city and you practically have to bribe a builder to build something over 10 stories. Any way you look at it, FW has missed the boom. Sure, we've gotten some new stuff, but in general... we are lagging way behind other major cities when it comes to building. Heck, Dallas' Victory project alone practically matches what FW built in the 80's... during the largest building boom in this cities history - and that's just one of the big projects in Dallas..... The Tandy building and the Tower really aren't what I would consider "building" since they were just redevelopment of older buildings. To me, new building means a new building goes up and changes the skyline... We just don't hvae that happening, other than the CC hotel...
Building boom is a term that you used, so maybe your definition is different from mine. From your last message I gather that your definition is more of a skyscraper boom, rather than a construction boom. For god’s sake man, they were going to implode the tower. Does it really make a difference if they were to take it down, then build another 37 story condo tower or just refurbish an already existing building? Would that then make it part of your building boom theory?
Approximately 367 owner-occupied units and 324 rental units were scheduled for delivery in 2006, according to the State of Downtown, a publication of Downtown Fort Worth Inc. The expansion doesn’t stop there. Another 914 owner-occupied units and 1,035 rental units have been announced and are scheduled for completion in 2007 and beyond.
If 98 Condominiums are going to take 18-20 floors of the CC hotel, well then you do the math for 367 in 1 year.
You're right dude, I don’t see any signs of a boom. A matter of fact, I think we back tracked.
#138
Posted 02 March 2007 - 11:58 AM
I took pictures of the construction progress this weekend, and I will post them soon. In the meantime, here's a link to the Omni Web Cam:
http://www.austinpro...mni/webcam.html
Mr.Roberts will there be underground tunnels connecting the convention center,and/or the parking garage to the Omni?I see what looks like a frame of some sort under Houston St. on the webcam.
Happy Independence Day,my fellow Tejanos!
#139
Posted 02 March 2007 - 07:45 PM
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#140
Posted 19 March 2007 - 10:05 AM
#141
Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:18 PM
Just thinking about some of the comments about missing the Condo boom here in FW, 98 condominiums have to take a few floors out of the 34 story tower portion of the CC Hotel. Anyone know exactly how many floors will be dedicated to the condominiums? I was thinking that most of the 34 stories would be, than if you compare FW today to what was here in 2000 - we have a 37 and a 34 story condo tower. Not really missing the boom I would say. And I guess thats not including the 2nd portion of the Old Tandy Buildings.
^^^ You are kidding, right? I mean, the whole idea of a BUILDING boom is the fact that a significant amount of buildings get BUILT. So, the Tower was already here and we have the CC hotel being built. Almost everything else is a redevelopment project. Maybe you consider building 1 building over 20 stories in over 20 years a boom, but most would not. And, even if we do count the 34 and 37 story towers as "boom time", well I think that 2 buildings is far short of a building boom, especially when one of the 2 tower was already here. If you really want see a building boom, go to Chicago, Miami, or Dallas.... but don't look at DT FW and think that is any thing near being a building boom. And, really, it's not about missing the condo boom as much as it is about just missing the building boom... There are a lot of cities around the country with completely stagnant growth, yet towers are going up everywhere (Dallas for one) and here sits poor FW with the fastest growing population of any major U.S. city and you practically have to bribe a builder to build something over 10 stories. Any way you look at it, FW has missed the boom. Sure, we've gotten some new stuff, but in general... we are lagging way behind other major cities when it comes to building. Heck, Dallas' Victory project alone practically matches what FW built in the 80's... during the largest building boom in this cities history - and that's just one of the big projects in Dallas..... The Tandy building and the Tower really aren't what I would consider "building" since they were just redevelopment of older buildings. To me, new building means a new building goes up and changes the skyline... We just don't hvae that happening, other than the CC hotel...
Building boom is a term that you used, so maybe your definition is different from mine. From your last message I gather that your definition is more of a skyscraper boom, rather than a construction boom. For god’s sake man, they were going to implode the tower. Does it really make a difference if they were to take it down, then build another 37 story condo tower or just refurbish an already existing building? Would that then make it part of your building boom theory?
Approximately 367 owner-occupied units and 324 rental units were scheduled for delivery in 2006, according to the State of Downtown, a publication of Downtown Fort Worth Inc. The expansion doesn’t stop there. Another 914 owner-occupied units and 1,035 rental units have been announced and are scheduled for completion in 2007 and beyond.
If 98 Condominiums are going to take 18-20 floors of the CC hotel, well then you do the math for 367 in 1 year.
You're right dude, I don’t see any signs of a boom. A matter of fact, I think we back tracked.
I have mixed emotions about this comment. In other big cities, this would not be considered as a building boom. We have a greater population than Atlanta, Georgia and you've seen their skyline. If you have been a resident of Fort Worth for over 20 years, you consider this a building boom. (lol) I believe the term "building boom" is opinionated. Some go by what they can see from the freeway. At the moment, I believe we have 3 or 4 tower cranes up which residents of fort worth haven't seen in 20 YEARS. We as residents of this city must remember that cities such as Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Miami, and a few others have 3 or 4 tower cranes outside of downtown or in their suburbs. I do believe this city is playing it safe. I am appreciative of the smaller buildings being built yet at the sametime, I am ashamed that cities with smaller populations are getting more notice than fort worth because of their "stack em up" drive. If you disagree with me, look up these cities and see what they are building. Miami, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Boston, and Dallas. I picked Miami, Boston, and Atlanta because our population is actually LARGER than theirs. I picked Vegas because our populations are close and I picked Dallas so that those of you that disagree can see what a real big city building boom is like in close driving distance. If you feel like my comment is harsh, let me put it like this. Fort Worth is doing alot of building, but this is not a SKYSCRAPER BOOM ! We are lacking behind when it comes to skyscrapers and the cities i mentioned are wayyyyyy ahead. On the freeway if you're a tourist, this city doesn't look that powerful. If you live here, hooooray for fort worth!!! I guess building something is better than building nothing which is what we did for 20 years(lol) K.L.
#142
Posted 19 March 2007 - 08:26 PM
I am ashamed that cities with smaller populations are getting more notice than fort worth because of their "stack em up" drive. If you disagree with me, look up these cities and see what they are building. Miami, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Boston, and Dallas. I picked Miami, Boston, and Atlanta because our population is actually LARGER than theirs. I picked Vegas because our populations are close and I picked Dallas so that those of you that disagree can see what a real big city building boom is like in close driving distance.
Except...Miami, Atlanta, and Boston are MUCH larger than Fort Worth. I love the fact that FW is getting bigger, personally, but I also realize that city populations only mean so much. In this case, you have to look at metro populations to effectively compare a city's "building boom." No one would tell you that Fort Worth is bigger than those cities...and it's not because we don't act our size (or some nonsense like that), it's because we actually aren't that big. So relatively speaking, FW isn't booming to the level of a Miami or Atlanta...but then again, they have a LOT more critical mass than we do, so it's really not that depressing.
Las Vegas is a special case, too. Las Vegas isn't "booming" because it's big. It's booming because it's almost entirely dependant on an industry that personifies two things skyscrapers need - ego and risk. To say that Fort Worth, a city with a large, diversified economy, isn't booming as much as Las Vegas misses the whole part of the story where Fort Worth doesn't have Wynns or Trumps trying to outdo each other in a contest - we're just simple supply and demand. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
Edited by John T Roberts, 20 March 2007 - 06:44 PM.
#143
Posted 19 March 2007 - 08:32 PM
Glad to get a response though, this forum has really died lately. Who likes to read negative posts after negative posts – not me. I at least try to throw some positive things out there every now and then or at least put a positive twist on it.
#144
Posted 20 March 2007 - 01:01 AM
K.L. I agree with most of what you are saying, the main point that I was trying to make is that I feel like we didn’t miss the condo boom. The way I look at this is that you can either think one of two ways on this topic. If you think we missed the condo boom then you are basically saying that we are not building enough condos and take the risk and put up some gosh darn condo towers. Other point of view is looking at all these condos that are already being built and realizing that this great but it can’t last forever, also that 914 owner occupied units in a couple years is indeed a significant number. I won’t get into office towers (too long and obvious,) and I can’t really compare FW with all those other cities. Not yet. Are we another San Jose? Maybe, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.
Glad to get a response though, this forum has really died lately. Who likes to read negative posts after negative posts – not me. I at least try to throw some positive things out there every now and then or at least put a positive twist on it.
I hate to admit it, but you guys are right now that i think about it. Especially when it comes to Vegas. I still dont see this as a building boom though. I see it as Fort Worth making up for 20 years.
#145
Posted 20 March 2007 - 02:37 AM
2 years ago you would have had my hide for such an arrangement of choice words, so I guess we can post just about anything here these days, ehh JTRoberts?
Intern priviledges I suppose???
Edited by John T Roberts, 20 March 2007 - 06:46 PM.
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#146
Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:39 AM
#147
Posted 20 March 2007 - 10:11 AM
#148
Posted 20 March 2007 - 10:59 AM
#149
Posted 20 March 2007 - 12:33 PM
oh, wait - wrong thread. sorry. i'll repost in the proper place.
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