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#301 Big Frog II

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:54 PM

Could I have possibly seen new windows in this building going down the freeway today?  This would be on the south side of the building beginning on upper floors of the western portion.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:54 PM

Could I have possibly seen new windows in this building going down the freeway today?  This would be on the south side of the building beginning on upper floors of the western portion.


My heart skips a beat

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:53 PM

Funny you ask. It's received another extension.

http://amp.star-tele...e184458043.html
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:58 PM

That's the first time I've heard that other developers are interested in the property.  That's encouraging.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:41 PM

Just as Jerre Tracy said, we get inquiries every time the organization places it on our Most Endangered List.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:02 AM

My reading of the S-T article is that the city is close to throwing in the towel on this building if the owner isn't more proactive in rehab plans.  I love historic buildings (like the post office on Lancaster), but nothing is sacrosanct forever...much less a mammoth structure in a conspicuous part of downtown existing vacant and slowly deteriorating for decades.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:55 AM

I've long believed that as long as Cleopatra Inc. owns the building, nothing of any significance will happen with it anytime soon. None of the recent news dissuades me from that belief.

 

They've owned it for 20 years, and this is all that there is to show for it.


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:55 AM

Could I have possibly seen new windows in this building going down the freeway today?  This would be on the south side of the building beginning on upper floors of the western portion.


I looked closer and it appears to be boards or something.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:28 AM

This is nothing more than a tax write off for the Dallas folks---the city either needs to force a sale or allow the building to be torn down



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:49 AM

My guess is that the city is working toward forcing a sale of the property.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:12 PM

If worse comes to worse would it be possible for the city to invoke eminent domain on this property?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:21 PM

That's the first time I've heard that other developers are interested in the property.  That's encouraging.

 

 

.....it appears there isnt a developer willing to partner with them. I know a couple folks who would be willing to buy them out and could do this project, while making them whole plus a nice profit but from all I am told they don't seem open to that. Love to hear someone tell me different! 

 

 

 

....Guess I will go back to trying to figure out how I can buy the T&P building!

 

 ...And I hope you can figure it out too and soon.

 

 Again, I hope that you, A-I, can find a way to buy the T&P. :)



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 02:43 PM

My guess is that the city is working toward forcing a sale of the property.

Hmm. Can the city legally force a property owner to sell?  Maybe tough persuasion to sell by threatening condemnation and demolition as a public hazard.   But forcing a sale?  I don't know every law, but the only "forced sale" I'm familiar with is the partition suit in district court.  But that usually is about one joint owner suing the other to force a sale by court order.



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 03:19 PM

I would think it would be along the lines of if Cleopatra couldn't pay taxes, the city could seize the property for back taxes.  If they cannot meet basic code, can the city similarly seize the property?  I honestly don't know.  If so, a threat of seizure may force Cleopatra's hand to sell the property.

 

Edit:  Another thought- If Cleopatra bought the property as an investment with no intention of redeveloping it, the city could force the sale by fining them for non-compliance, thus tarnishing the investment and exerting pressure on Cleopatra to sell it.  Could the city also pester them with lawsuits?


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 03:58 PM

I would think that pestering then to the point of sellling is the more likely play. Seizing the property is going to be incredibly expensive since I would expect the current owner to not let it go quietly.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:31 AM

I believe there are only three means for local government seizure of private property, legally and constitutionally:  tax foreclosure, condemnation as a public hazard, and the exercise of eminent domain.  The warehouse property owner is not delinquent in the payment of the ad valorem taxes, last time I checked.  Eminent domain is a constitutionally risky proposition (the "takings" clause).  Condemnation is more likely than the other two. 



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

What would be the implications of condemnation?  Would it necessarily lead to demolition?


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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:19 AM

It would not necessarily lead to demolition.  Once the city condemned the building and took possession, they could choose to spend the funds to bring it up to the minimum code that they had asked the owner to do.  They might even be able to sell the building as is, since they would have the say on whether the city would have to fix it up or not.  If the City code officials told the department in charge of the building they had to demolish it, the Landmarks Commission would still have to approve the demolition and the City would a have to prove to them that demolition was the only option.  Remember, the building is designated as a Highly Significant Endangered Landmark, and issuing a Certificate of Appropriateness for Demolition would be up to that commission.  So far, the Landmarks Commission has determined that the building is still viable for rehabilitation and that's why they are trying to force the owner to bring it up to the minimum standards for a vacant building.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:32 AM

As I understand it, aside from Landmarks Commission involvement, In the process by which the City Council decides to condemn a property, the owner first deals with the code compliance department.  Code compliance then reports to the Building Standards Commission for public hearings.  The Building Standards Commission may give the property owner a period of time to cure the code violations or else face the legal consequences (including requiring the property owner himself to demolish the property at his expense or else the city will contract that it be done and pass on the charge to the owner).  The Building Standards Commission then makes a recommendation to the Council, which holds a public hearing for a final decision on disposition of the property.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:56 AM

.....In the process by which the City Council decides to condemn a property, the owner first deals with the code compliance department.....

 

 Just my own take, but the City has already gone a long way down the process; its not as though Cleopatra doesn't have a dubious track record about T&P Warehouse.  When or if the City takes action, I wouldn't surprise me if it is swift.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:22 PM

WFAA just did a piece on the building. They were allowed inside, the new windows were shown off, and overall, it sounded positive like something may actually happen soon. I don't yet see the video online but will post if I do.

 

Fingers crossed. 



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Posted Today, 09:45 AM

WFAA just did a piece on the building. They were allowed inside, the new windows were shown off, and overall, it sounded positive like something may actually happen soon. I don't yet see the video online but will post if I do.

 

Fingers crossed. 

I saw it too.  Finally had one of the owners actually speak.  He "promised" plans are in the works to finally develop this building.  However, I won't be the one to hold my breath.  After all they have owned it for 20 years.



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Posted Today, 09:57 AM

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I genuinely hope I'm wrong, though.


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Posted Today, 01:40 PM

Here's a link to the WFAA Channel 8 story:

 

http://www.wfaa.com/...house/492540084



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Posted Today, 03:28 PM

For quite a while now I've heard the owners state the hold up was caused by the delays at the Hemphill-Lamar connector. Now that the connector is really getting going, and scheduled to be done in early 2020, maybe just maybe.... 



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Posted Today, 06:09 PM

For quite a while now I've heard the owners state the hold up was caused by the delays at the Hemphill-Lamar connector. Now that the connector is really getting going, and scheduled to be done in early 2020, maybe just maybe.... 

 

Only in Fort Worth could it take 3 years to build a tunnel across 4 blocks...

 

Quite sure that the Depression Era tunnels at Main, etc were built in less time. Heck I bet the entire T&P Warehouse was built in less than 3 years.







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