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#51 rriojas71

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Posted 27 July 2021 - 08:53 PM

The Problem with BYU and Baylor joining the PAC 12 is that both of these 2 institutions are extremely religious and the PAC 12 is not about that. TCU would almost fall into the same boat, however one thing that is different is that TCU is a very popular and well known University on the West Coast. TCU has a huge Californian student body. OK State and Tech are too weak academically and are in small media markets. TCU has that as an advantage over them as well. I would like them to land in the PAC 12 but realistically it won’t happen. Best bet is to keep the Big 12 together and just add some teams and create a new name for the conference.

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#52 elpingüino

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Posted 28 July 2021 - 12:14 PM

Economist Ray Perryman shares analysis in the Dallas Morning News:
A UT move to SEC could cost the Waco, Lubbock and Fort Worth economies $500M

The $500M figure is per year. He lays out the implications of scenarios in which the Big 12 re-expands or dissolves.

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Posted 03 August 2021 - 03:18 PM

As a TCU alum, I suspect the Big 12 will bring in 2 teams at first, Cincy and either UCF or Memphis to help out WVU. It keeps the current media deal for 10 team revenues in place IF the OUT schools leave before 2025. This is of course if the PAC-12 doesn't come calling before that and I don't think they are going to invite TCU if they invite anyone.

 

I think the end game is this

 

WEST                                               EAST

Colorado State                                 UCF

BYU                                                  Cincy

Boise State                                       USF

Houston                                            Memphis

TCU                                                  WVU

Okie State                                        Iowa State

Texas Tech                                       Kansas 

Kansas State                                    Baylor



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Posted 03 August 2021 - 05:32 PM

Not a good plan.. it’s a supped up MWC. The latest real news is the Big12 and the PAC12 are talking about a scheduling alliance.
Would you rather see USC or Memphis at AGC?

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Posted 04 August 2021 - 10:54 AM

Not a good plan.. it’s a supped up MWC. The latest real news is the Big12 and the PAC12 are talking about a scheduling alliance.
Would you rather see USC or Memphis at AGC?

Yes it is a souped up Mountain West but at this point TCU doesn't have much of a play if the PAC 12 has no interest.  You make the best of the hand your dealt and the best at this point is to try to align the best of the schools that remain.

Can't hold out hope about what the PAC 12 is going to decided because then they hold all the cards.



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Posted 04 August 2021 - 10:57 AM

As a TCU alum, I suspect the Big 12 will bring in 2 teams at first, Cincy and either UCF or Memphis to help out WVU. It keeps the current media deal for 10 team revenues in place IF the OUT schools leave before 2025. This is of course if the PAC-12 doesn't come calling before that and I don't think they are going to invite TCU if they invite anyone.

 

I think the end game is this

 

WEST                                               EAST

Colorado State                                 UCF

BYU                                                  Cincy

Boise State                                       USF

Houston                                            Memphis

TCU                                                  WVU

Okie State                                        Iowa State

Texas Tech                                       Kansas 

Kansas State                                    Baylor

I like this plan if of course the PAC 12 is out and there is no other alternative.  The only change I would make is to move Baylor to the West along with the other TX schools and Kansas State to the East to stay with Kansas.



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Posted 04 August 2021 - 01:04 PM

 

As a TCU alum, I suspect the Big 12 will bring in 2 teams at first, Cincy and either UCF or Memphis to help out WVU. It keeps the current media deal for 10 team revenues in place IF the OUT schools leave before 2025. This is of course if the PAC-12 doesn't come calling before that and I don't think they are going to invite TCU if they invite anyone.

 

I think the end game is this

 

WEST                                               EAST

Colorado State                                 UCF

BYU                                                  Cincy

Boise State                                       USF

Houston                                            Memphis

TCU                                                  WVU

Okie State                                        Iowa State

Texas Tech                                       Kansas 

Kansas State                                    Baylor

I like this plan if of course the PAC 12 is out and there is no other alternative.  The only change I would make is to move Baylor to the West along with the other TX schools and Kansas State to the East to stay with Kansas.

 

USF and UCF would be great gets if it happens, but I would expect Miami to gladly take them into the ACC, and everything I have read was that West Virginia has had a foot out the door since they joined and waiting for the ACC to allow them in, not sure who the fourth would have to be for the ACC to make sense of the conference, Notre Dame has a contract that if they join any conference for football it has to be the ACC, not that it couldn't be broken. But they could greatly strengthen their position by adding Notre Dame, WVU, USF and UCF, create a strong hold in Florida to battle the SEC and then realign north and south instead of costal and Atlantic, whatever that means.  I would also much prefer an agreement with the Pac12, just fearful of what power in talks they would have, so much is about media rights, and without Texas OU, the AAC has a more powerful group of schools for television dollars than the markets left in the Big12

 

At the bottom is from 2019, or if you want a good look at the season as a whole - https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/ 

 

so if Cincinnati and UCF can pull more viewers on Cable than TCU WVU on a network it starts to become more about the total dollars that someone can bring. And does the Pac 12 want to do the heavy lifting when they can kickoff around midnight against a sunbelt team and pull the same numbers, and not risk losing the game

11/14, Noon TCU-WVU FOX 0.85 -50% 1.37M -47%

11/21, 3:30p CIN-UCF ESPN 0.9 +41% 1.58M +61%

11/21, 10:30p USC-UTA ESPN 0.8 -20% 1.33M -18%

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Posted 10 September 2021 - 01:46 PM

well color me shocked and wrong, Big12 was able to add BYU, not a good geographic fit with them and UCF, but Cincinnati and Memphis I think are both great fits for culture, good media markets, and as of recent history, reliable programs.  On a work front for me, a bit of a blow to the AAC and the annual basketball tournament here at Dickies for them to lose the two marquee basketball programs in the conference, and not a good sign of things to come with out three top programs.



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Posted 10 September 2021 - 04:05 PM

well color me shocked and wrong, Big12 was able to add BYU, not a good geographic fit with them and UCF, but Cincinnati and Memphis I think are both great fits for culture, good media markets, and as of recent history, reliable programs.  On a work front for me, a bit of a blow to the AAC and the annual basketball tournament here at Dickies for them to lose the two marquee basketball programs in the conference, and not a good sign of things to come with out three top programs.

no Memphis, add Houston 



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Posted 10 September 2021 - 10:07 PM

Memphis and Boise are next...


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