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#1 Jeriat

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:15 PM

I thought about rail in this city again and wanted to revisit a previous thread I made in relation to it. Didn't include the Commuter Rail lines last time (TRE, TEX, *Alliance-to-Cleburne*, Union Pacific to Dallas), so I wanted to go over what I would do if I was in charge of rail in this town with those in mind. 

But three things I'll go over before getting into the routes and all:

 

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1. The two immediate blocks in front of the ITC I would make mixed-use buildings with streetcar stops, A main waiting area for Molly, taxi pickup, and retail.  

 

2. Instead of using the the current TRE stop at the ITC for ALL commuter rail, I thought of using the current ITC stop for the TRE and TEXRail (along with Amtrak, of course) and using the space between the warehouse and UTA Campus. Also, I know Ashton Depot is successful as a ballroom, but I'd want to redevelopment as a secondary waiting area/retail and maybe rework the warehouse as new offices for The T. Not sure if I'd want to keep UTA there in the old Santa Fe warehouse or reuse that for something else as well. And finally for this part, I've already suggested this once before, but I've thought of closing a section of Jones St. up to 12th for the Southside and West lines... of course, that would mean changing several things as far as connectivity to Lancaster for both rail and cars on the road, but I'll get more into detail about that later.

 

3. Finally, the connection of rail lines with Lancaster, S. Main, and Jones St. Regardless of how I think it should look, if the city is really serious about having some kind of streetcar run through the Near Southside, they're going to have to look into this anyway, so I'm just going to throw out an idea of my own, only including a line running down Lancaster (West line) and connecting to Camp Bowie. 

 

 

More on this and all of the rail lines later. 


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Posted 14 March 2016 - 05:30 PM

Make that "8-4-1"...

KEY:

BLACK = ITC and extension 
BLACK and SILVER = FWTA Offices

Commuter Rail: 

- TEXRail 

- TRE

- Union Pacific D to FW

- Alliance to Cleburne 

 

Light Rail/Streetcars:

 - Stockyards/Panther Island

 - R.A.D.

 - Southside 

 - W(est)

 

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Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:16 AM

ITC Extension (north) 

 

The two blocks directly in front of the main building of the ITC would feature two 4 story mixed-use buildings.

One block would have a station for two streetcar lines (S/Pi & R.A.D.) with ballroom space (as I mentioned, reusing the Ashton Depot for transit), office space, and ground level retail. 

The second block would have a 4 level garage within the building, underground included, with ground level retail, space for UTA's downtown campus, another area for Taxi drop offs/pick ups, and more office space.

 

Just south of the southern block would be the new 10th Street. Underneath it would be a new space for Molly the Trolley 

 

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Both buildings would match the architecture of the ITC. I just made base models so you would get an idea of the height, not an actual design. 

 

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 01:06 PM

ITC Extension (south) 

 

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Key points here:

 

- Jones is completely shut off for the light rail lines up to 12th, as mentioned before.
- Use of the current UTA Downtown building would be converted in two sections: The north end would be offices for Enterprise Rental Cars (I'd move it, giving it more space and more cars) with the 1st floor being a waiting and information area for passengers of the W and Southsider lines. The south end would be the waiting and information area for the two commuter rails. The rest of the first floor would be retail and lobby space for the boutique hotel on the second floor. 

- the East side of the reused Santa Fe building will be station space for the commuter rail lines and a bigger lot for Enterprise. 

- There would be a plaza in between the Santa Fe building and Ashton Depot with a tall monument or clock tower (something like this) and reusing the Ashton Depot as a large restaurant. 

- The open lots west of all of this, of course, would be mixed-use Transit Oriented Development. 


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 03:33 PM

3D representation of the entire south end. Not an exact design (or height) I have in mind for the clock tower, but you get the idea. 

 

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A close up on the Ashton Plaza and platform. 

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Posted 29 March 2016 - 07:46 PM

I think that one or two of this forum's future architects/planners might get some ideas for a Jones Street Transit Center from the one being built in San Francisco:

 

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How about a local/online/forum-centric design contest?



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Posted 29 March 2016 - 10:22 PM

I'm down. 

 

Austin...? You in?


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Posted 03 April 2016 - 10:57 PM

Yielding Station and Southeastern Corner 

 

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Key Points:

 

 - Parts of existing warehouse is demolished, reused as FWTA offices and maintenance for Southsider and W lines. 

 - A 5 level garage with 2 sub-level parking is built directly to the south of the warehouse. 

 - Roads to Jones St. blocked off and rerouted. 

 - Two blocks east of the Sheraton are used, one for Transit Oriented Development and 8 level garage (for the entire area). 

 - A "Yielding Station" takes up one of the open grass spaces for in case the trains have to wait for another to pass 

 

Getting into designing the lines, next. 


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Posted 19 April 2016 - 02:52 PM

S/Pi

 

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Stations: 

- ITC 

- Sundance Square (4th St.) 

- Trinity Bluff

- Panther Island-Power Plant 

- Panther Island-LaGrave 

- Mercado 

- Exchange & Main 

- [[Stockyards/Alliance to Cleburne connector]]

 

2.98 miles


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Posted 23 April 2016 - 01:01 AM

R.A.D.

 

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Stations: 

- ITC 

- Sundance Square (4th St.) 

- Hillside 

- *Top Golf*

- Sylvania (Martin House Brewing Co.) 

- Belknap & Sylvania  

- [Race St. Option]

- Belknap & Retta

- Sylvania Park-Walmart
 

3.39 miles


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Posted 24 April 2016 - 09:29 PM

Southsider

 

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Stations: 

 

Phase 1 - 1.31 miles
- ITC 

- Sundance Square (4th St.) 

- Lancaster Overlay

- Main & Vickery 

- UT Southwestern 

- Main & Rosedale

 Phase 2 - 1.45

- Magnolia Green

- Exchange & Main 

- Midtown (I know it's pictured to be around 9th Ave, but I'd think it would be better for it to terminate around Midtown)

 

 Phase 3 - 0.61

- Southside Community Center (Evans/Rosedale Urban Village)

 


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:41 PM

West

 

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Stations: 

Phase 1

- ITC 

- Lancaster Overlay 

- Post Office (future City Hall...)

- Summit

- West 7th/Farrington Field 

- WRMC

- Arlington Heights-Crestline 

- Arlington Heights-Hulen 

 

Phase 2 

- Merrick

- Ridglea 

- Clayton

- Alta Mere

- Ridgmar Mall

 

7.67 miles


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 10:32 AM

The hard turn from SW-NE to N-S appears to be a stretch. Would there be any reasonable expectation of user traffic to justify it? If Ridgmall were to redevelop with a significant residential component AND the re-developers were able to pitch in on infrastructure costs for station and tracks on their property... I would like to see your take on a White Settlement Road line to tie in the new developments in the "River District" with Downtown and with the Lockheed-Martin / Carswell complex. Any such plan will depend on there being a significant effort at building density (residential, institutional, employment and services) at stops along the route. I hope the city is being active in encouraging developers to include provisions for future transit in their planning, right-of-way corridors at a minimum. Of course with no plan in place for what future transit might look like it makes it difficult to set aside appropriate property...



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Posted 29 April 2016 - 01:07 PM

The hard turn from SW-NE to N-S appears to be a stretch. Would there be any reasonable expectation of user traffic to justify it? If Ridgmall were to redevelop with a significant residential component AND the re-developers were able to pitch in on infrastructure costs for station and tracks on their property... I would like to see your take on a White Settlement Road line to tie in the new developments in the "River District" with Downtown and with the Lockheed-Martin / Carswell complex. Any such plan will depend on there being a significant effort at building density (residential, institutional, employment and services) at stops along the route. I hope the city is being active in encouraging developers to include provisions for future transit in their planning, right-of-way corridors at a minimum. Of course with no plan in place for what future transit might look like it makes it difficult to set aside appropriate property...

 

What I actually have in mind is making that section overhead as you see with many of the DART rail lines' sections. I'd say starting from around Horne St.

I only chose Ridgmar as the terminal because it seemed like the best logical stop for any rail lines in West Ft. Worth, although I do agree that property would have to be revamped. 

I've thought about "River District" and White Settlement Road the last few days after seeing it revealed and was thinking about maybe considering adding another line... even bringing back the old Tandy Subway. I'll probably come up with something a few days after. 


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 01:25 PM

Isn't that hard turn the bomber spur?

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 10:12 PM

I'm not sure.


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 11:42 PM

Yes it is, but it really doesn't go anywhere that riders would go to/from unless it extended into the factory site, or perhaps was part of a loop that followed White Settlement back into town...?



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 01:16 PM

Maybe, if anything, I'd wrap the West line around to reach River District...


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Posted 30 April 2016 - 09:37 PM

As I've mentioned in another thread, I think any light rail line running down Camp Bowie should remain on Camp Bowie until west of loop 820 instead of diverting north to Ridgmar Mall.


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Posted 30 April 2016 - 10:45 PM

As I've mentioned in another thread, I think any light rail line running down Camp Bowie should remain on Camp Bowie until west of loop 820 instead of diverting north to Ridgmar Mall.

 

I guess in the long run, if it were to happen, it would extend out to Aledo. But still, I'd rather keep it within the city limits. 


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:54 PM

I noticed the old proposed streetcar line on the Fort Worth South site:

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I'm beginning to think that maybe that turn at Vickery would be better...


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 10:21 PM

Why not right down Jennings? Main Street and Hemphill are both getting street-diets; streetcars would slow things down more. Why not think along the lines of a Southside thoroughfare defined by a streetcar line? Jennings effectively tees at Magnolia, and could serve as a conduit for a future streetcar line there to get downtown.



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Posted 26 June 2016 - 10:41 PM

Why not right down Jennings? Main Street and Hemphill are both getting street-diets; streetcars would slow things down more. Why not think along the lines of a Southside thoroughfare defined by a streetcar line? Jennings effectively tees at Magnolia, and could serve as a conduit for a future streetcar line there to get downtown.

 

I went by previous renderings of the S. Main plans.

But now that I think about it... yeah, it would be better. No cars would be getting in the way then. 


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 11:42 AM

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 01:43 PM

To match the map, I wanted to update a few things:

I wanted to show a sketch model of an updated idea I had for these lines and connections, starting with the ITC expansion.

PANTHER ISLAND/R.A.D. LINES
- Both the Panther Island (I'll get to that one later...) and R.A.D. run from south on Houston (something else I'll get to, later...), then east on 9th and south on Calhoun. 
- Once halfway down that superblock, the two lines split and hook east into the main light rail station. 
- The two lines connect, going north on Jones, hugging the left side of the road and then turning left on 9th.
 

WEST/SOUTHSIDER LINES
- Nothing really changed from my initial showing of the West and Southsider lines. Just a slight update to match to the rest of that area.

ITC RAIL STATION EXPANSION

- The 4 lines connect in a sort of "Grand Platform", giving at least 20' of space between the lines. 
- Includes a triangular plaza, one major purpose for it being outdoor dining space for restaurants within Transit Oriented Development and possibly a monument or fountain.
- Designs and features within the station would mostly match the ITC. Would also feature updated LED message boards for light rail, commuter rail, and bus/Molly schedules.

 

T.O.D. & OTHER FEATURES
- There would be plenty of space left over for T.O.D. on Calhoun , 9th, Jones, and the boundary that the light rail station would create. 
- I'd also propose an updated walkway leading from the plaza to 12th and running up Jones. 

 

 

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More updates to come:
 

  • Panther Island and R.A.D. lines split/connect around Sundance 
  • R.A.D. entry into/exit from Downtown
  • Panther Island "Heritage" stations and Main Street orientation 
  • Panther Island circulator.  
  • T&P Station for West and Southsider lines as a bonus.

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