Tandy Center/FW Outlet Mall???
#1
Posted 27 June 2004 - 03:21 PM
#2
Posted 27 June 2004 - 09:34 PM
I would much prefer to see downtown retail on the street level throughout downtown rather than in an enclosed central location. I don't think, however, there is much chance of it ever being used as a mall again even if it isn't torn down. One of the things that made the old mall and the Outlet Square viable was the Tandy parking lot and subway. With that now gone, one would probably have a difficult time attracting typical mall shoppers without free and convenient parking.
I always thought the ice skating rink was a neat touch. Perhaps they could include one in the proposed park. Here in Texas, of course, it would have to be enclosed. But they could put a steel and glass enclosure around it and do it in a style that makes it look like the sort of ornate glass and iron buildings of the Victorian era. Here's an excellent example of something along the lines that I am talking about: http://www.palmhouse.org.uk/index.php Put something like that in the middle of the park and surround it with very nice landscaping and I guarantee you it will attract pedestrians wanting to see what it is. One could build the ice rink at ground level and surround it by such a structure. Or, one could build the ice rink below ground with the structure merely serving as the entry way/observation deck.
#3
Posted 27 June 2004 - 10:10 PM
Dis, thanks for posting that link! I agree that the ice rink was a cool perk about the mall, and I like the idea of putting an enclosed one in the park. Heck, it doesn't even have to be that park. Maybe an enclosed rink could be included in some part of the Trinity River Vision or some other park in downtown. The design of the one in that link would be perfect.
#4 David Love
Posted 28 June 2004 - 08:53 AM
#5
Posted 28 June 2004 - 08:53 PM
#6
Posted 28 June 2004 - 08:56 PM
#7
Posted 29 June 2004 - 11:54 AM
#8
Posted 29 June 2004 - 03:03 PM
As for the overkill on greenspace, sometimes the weather gets ugly. Might be nice to have an indoor venue for 'outdoor' events.
#9
Posted 29 June 2004 - 05:56 PM
And what's with the "version of the West End"? Not sure what the West End represents to you, but I think of a mediocre tourist trap when I think of the West End. Besides, we need to break the habit of trying to create "our version of (city name)'s (place name)." It is tempting to do, however explaining our city in terms of others only results in our "version" paling in comparison to the original.
We can be a heck of a lot more creative than by replicating the West End.
#10
Posted 29 June 2004 - 09:28 PM
That's basically what the plan is. There would only be a 1/2 block park, plus more parking for Sundance visitors.I voted "other" because reusing the retail but reorienting it toward the street was not an option.
And I agree abot the West End plan, Fort Worth doesn't need to be copying cities (especially Dallas ). And besides, I don't see how you could do it succesfully with an enclosed, below grade mall.
#12 ghughes
Posted 01 July 2004 - 09:41 PM
How true, how true.explaining our city in terms of others only results in our "version" paling in comparison to the original. - Urbndwlr
#13
Posted 02 July 2004 - 11:06 PM
Anyway - I am rambling... I just thought that as creative and visionary as the redevelopment of downtown has been, that surely some of the great minds responsible for the transformation could come up with something other than "tear it down". (Talk about copying Dallas!!!) Plus, the Tandy Center and the subway are part of FW's history. It could be argued that it led the way to what we ultimately have downtown now. After all it was the first big development in downtown after years of companies/building projects moving out of downtown. The 70's weren't a huge growth time for the CBD, but there was the Tandy Center and FW National Bank (The Tower). Then came the Worthington and the rest of the Bass Family developments in the 80's....
#14
Posted 03 July 2004 - 05:51 PM
#15 gdvanc
Posted 03 July 2004 - 10:04 PM
Say, my baby brother took those classes. He's still not as funny as me, though. ;-)But, considering I'm currently enrolled in improv comedy classes in the former Caravan Theater (now the Four Day Weekend theater) I'm not totally sad to see Caravan become Reata/Four Day Weekend. ;-)
#16
Posted 03 July 2004 - 10:33 PM
Then it sounds to me that you should be enrolled in the classes. LOL. They're really good classes if you're into that sort of thing. Did he go all the way through all 4 levels or did he just take a couple of the classes? How long ago was he in the classes, etc.? I'm starting the final level next week. It's fun stuff... very scary though when it comes to perorming improv in front of a live audience.
Actually - on a bragging note for FW - we're really lucky to have those guys here. I've been to see The Groundlings in LA, and they were great! These guys (4 Day) were trained at the Second City Conservatory in Chicago. Second City and The Groundlings are where a lot of really big comedy stars got their start. And, for FW to have a show/theater of this calliber is really a good thing. Our theater is SOOOO much nicer than The Groundlings and Second City, architectually speaking. The Groundlings in LA, on the famed Melrose Ave., seats about 75 people and is very simple. From what I understand Second City seats about 150, and also is a very basic theater. Our former Caravan Theater blows them away... and those two venues are where most of the SNL and MAD TV casts come from, in addition to a lot of really well known sitcom stars.
So, if anyone reading this likes improv comedy and hasn't been to see a 4 Day show, then y'all are missing something great that downtown FW has to offer!
Shows are 7:30 and 10:00 PM Friday and Saturday nights and are $15 per person for a 1.5 hour show. They have an intermission and a great little lounge/bar so you can buy cocktails. They guys are really good at what they do and put on a great show. And for anyone interested in the training school, just e-mail me directly and I'll give you information.
#17 gdvanc
Posted 03 July 2004 - 11:47 PM
I agree that Four Day Weekend is an asset to downtown. Good show!
Take care,
Donnie
#18
Posted 04 July 2004 - 02:10 PM
Zach was in my class - he rocks! We all really miss him. He was in my level 1 and 2 class before moving to Seattle - we missed him in level 3, and are about to start level 4 next weekend. If you saw our shows then you might remember me - I'm the short guy with the shaved head.
Anyway, tell Zach I said hello and that his 4 Day class misses him!
Travis
#19 gdvanc
Posted 12 July 2004 - 06:59 PM
#20
Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:16 PM
One tower is currently undergoing Class A office space renovations.
The other tower (I think) is still planned for condos.
Is demolition still the plan for the mall?
An existing Ice Rink would be a great place for another Dr Pepper Stars Center as youth Hockey continues to grow. An additional attraction to downtown could be a GameWorks or Dave&Busters in the site.
#21
Posted 30 March 2006 - 06:21 PM
www.iheartfw.com
#22
Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:56 PM
First post here since July 2004.
One tower is currently undergoing Class A office space renovations.
The other tower (I think) is still planned for condos.
Is demolition still the plan for the mall?
I think the mall is going to be demolished and replaced by townhomes and shops.
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Kara B.
#23
Posted 02 April 2006 - 06:21 PM
#25
Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:53 PM
#26
Posted 05 April 2006 - 08:46 AM
#27
Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:36 AM
I don't want to sound as if I'm getting impatient over this, but does anyone have any clues as to when this project will start to happen?
Get a copy of this weeks Fort Worth Business Press . Lots to say but it shows yet another plan and the new rendering for City Place AKA Tandy Center. Looks nothing like the rendering that are shown in Mr Roberts website. That many of us had seen in the Fort Worth S.T.
It shows all glass tower that looks very green in color to me. The crown looks nothing shown in earlier renderings. In facts it says the color and architectural look will change the overall look. They even talk about " additional tower could be constucted between the two existing towers"
Sounds like the re opening of the steet may not happen? And the mall may be saved? It does not talk about this . But this Tower talk gots me wondering.
I do like the new renderings. I also like the one shown in Mr. Roberts web site. What do you all think of the new renderings in the Ft W Business Press?
#28
Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:39 AM
That said, there has been work going on inside the towers that you can't see. One of the advantages (or a disadvantage from a construction observer's standpoint) that these towers have is underground access. A lot can be happening on the inside and unless you notice the trucks leaving the underground levels of the parking garage, you would never know work is going on inside.
#29
Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:09 AM
The biggest change was in the middle, where instead of what looked like townhomes & shops in the older renderings, a large parking structure is to be built where the mall now stands. The street is reopened. The skybridge to the Worthington is still there, thanks to the deal being struck to let City Place residents have use of the hotel's spa and maids and such. The parking structure in the middle looks to have some ground-level retail. There are plans in the rendering for a new residential tower, built atop the parking structure, if demand warrants it. The new tower is only shown in a translucent shape atop the garage - no detailing. It looks to be perpendicular to the existing Tandy Towers in those renderings.
The guy in the lobby of the tower for the Parade of Homes said the work should be done in a year to a year & a half, if I remember correctly. They're waiting on the last tenant of the south tower - the dentist - to vacate, at which point they'll start gutting the tower.
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Kara B.
#30
Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:30 AM
The renderings of the towers that were shown on the Parade of Homes were slightly different from the ones on the site, but the basic look was the same: different glass, more windows on the residential tower, new oval-shaped crowns with cool night lighting, that sort of thing.
I don't know what your talking about in this Parade of Homes? The oval-shaped crown that well all see in Mr. Roberts web. Is not thier AT ALL in the Business Press pic. For some reson the new rendering is not on the web stite of the FtWBP.
Drop by a book store and check it out. Page two.
#31
Posted 05 April 2006 - 12:23 PM
Drop by a book store and check it out. Page two.
The Downtown Parade of Homes this last weekend. One City Place was a stop. There was a rep in the lobby of the south tower with a big book of renderings & floorplans, answering questions. That's where I got my info. The renderings were different from the ones on this site, but the towers still looked similar. That's what I'm talking about - if there's another rendering that looks completely different, maybe things have changed. As late as Saturday and Sunday, they were showing the renderings I described above.
I'll check out the renderings in the mag.
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Kara B.
#32
Posted 05 April 2006 - 07:14 PM
#33
Posted 05 April 2006 - 09:23 PM
"III. Discussion Items....
....C. CITY PLACE II - ITEMS RELATED TO THE LOWER PORTION OF THE TOWER AND THE TOP FEATURE."
#34
Posted 06 April 2006 - 06:05 AM
I don't know what your talking about in this Parade of Homes? The oval-shaped crown that well all see in Mr. Roberts web. Is not thier AT ALL in the Business Press pic. For some reson the new rendering is not on the web stite of the FtWBP.
Drop by a book store and check it out. Page two.
Denton, I looked at the online version and the illustration seems to be a PHOTO not an architectural rendering. The photo shows the tower as it is now, not how the developers envision it appearing in the future.
Try this as an early rendering of the redevelopment plans
http://www.fortworth...wtopic=290&st=0
#35
Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:19 AM
I don't know what your talking about in this Parade of Homes? The oval-shaped crown that well all see in Mr. Roberts web. Is not thier AT ALL in the Business Press pic. For some reson the new rendering is not on the web stite of the FtWBP.
Drop by a book store and check it out. Page two.
Denton, I looked at the online version and the illustration seems to be a PHOTO not an architectural rendering. The photo shows the tower as it is now, not how the developers envision it appearing in the future.
Try this as an early rendering of the redevelopment plans
http://www.fortworth...wtopic=290&st=0
Atomic Glee and Parie Pup maybe the OVAL crown is still thier mybe the FTBP pic shows it looking head on but still.......... details on the face don't look the same from renderings we have been seeing for about a year now. Anyway thanks for your input guys.
#36
Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:53 AM
#37
Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:25 PM
#38
Posted 01 February 2008 - 06:02 AM
Here is the DDRB agenda item:
DG08-016 200 Throckmorton Street; City Place Central Block
Owner / Applicant: PLN Fort Worth, LP
DUDD
Requests a Certificate of Appropriateness for renovation and adaptive reuse of existing
outlet mall, known as City Place Central Block. Proposed work includes:
1. Demolition of existing building to reopen Second Street and installation of a new
façade on Second Street;
2. Installation of a new aluminum and glass storefront at levels 1 and 2 on
Throckmorton Street, Second Street, and Taylor Street;
3. Removal of exterior walls on level 3 (new parking);
4. Construction of a new 5th level for parking;
5. Installation of a white mesh fabric to screen parking at levels 3, 4, and 5 on
Throckmorton and Second Streets; and
6. Painting the existing concrete and masonry structure white.
Below is a link to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram article. I was hoping they had the new rendering online, but it doesn't look like it is available right now.
http://www.star-tele...ory/446652.html
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