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Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:10 PM

I went with my niece to the convention center Saturday to watch her daughter and dance group perform.  Lots of kids, and some adults, in weird colorful costumes.  I can't believe this happened in Cowtown!  Posted here rather than in the arts thread because it says something about our city's new image.

 

http://www.fortworth...98f8338b57.html

 

The crowds were huge! After Saturday's walking tour, I spent some time at the Water Gardens staring at people in costumes.

 

The term "kids" might be a bit generous. Most people wearing costumes appeared to be in their older teens or early 20s (around my age).


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 02:04 PM

Definitely a big event that adds to Fort Worth's resume of attractions. Hopefully they will return. I know the convention board spent a while making sure it would all go well.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:18 PM

I went with my niece to the convention center Saturday to watch her daughter and dance group perform.  Lots of kids, and some adults, in weird colorful costumes.  I can't believe this happened in Cowtown!  Posted here rather than in the arts thread because it says something about our city's new image.
 
http://www.fortworth...98f8338b57.html


I was out there... had fun, chat with a few of the cosplayers... seemed like everyone was enjoying themselves.

Hope we get more Cons.

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 01:20 PM

For the second time this season, Ft. Worth was mentioned on American Dad.

https://www.reddit.c...he_area_around/

Appatently, we have mountains... and we're in the desert...

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 07:35 PM

For the second time this season, Ft. Worth was mentioned on American Dad.

https://www.reddit.c...he_area_around/

Appatently, we have mountains... and we're in the desert...

 

Glad I am not the only one who finds Fort Worth mentioned in pop culture. I got flack for mentioning Fort Worth in the sci-fi show Beyond. I dare not mention when Fort Worth was talked about on Breaking Bad oops I just did. :swg:



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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:25 PM

Why would someone give you flack for bringing up a Fort Worth mention on a TV show?

The actor that played Skinny Pete on Breaking Bad lived in Fort Worth at one time.

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:34 AM

A Bud Kennedy column in the Star-Telegram puts an interesting slant on Fort Worth's image--the growth of higher-educational institutions, most notably the planned Tarleton State University campus on the city's far south side.  As suggested in the column, our city should be promoting higher education rather than western heritage and cowboy culture in order to keep the grads from leaving Fort Worth.

 

http://www.star-tele...59270849.html#0



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 11:34 AM

....As suggested in the column, our city should be promoting higher education rather than western heritage and cowboy culture in order to keep the grads from leaving Fort Worth....

 

No; such a suggestion was never made. 

 

From the FWST column -

 

"We sell the Western culture and heritage, and that’s a very authentic message,” said Bill Burton of Hillwood Properties"

 

Burton was speaking recently about marketing Fort Worth’s location in a region known for computers and technology.  JTo chase a piece of computer and technology pie by chucking the true, single identity that the City has is like "throwing the baby out with the bath water". We can have both.



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Posted 05 July 2017 - 05:33 AM

Yeah, I put too much spin against western heritage and cowboy culture.  As Bud Kennedy writes, "Cowtown can also be a college town."



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Posted 22 July 2017 - 04:50 PM

I thought it was interesting when I saw the story about the Lockheed Martin job fair in DT Fort Worth. CBS 11 talked with a man who flew in from Virginia. He said he just found out about the job fair just the day before. Not much more detail was given. I would love to know if he heard of or been to Fort Worth before? How did he find out about the fair ? But in the end he got a job !  :smwink: I love Fort Worth overall Western Image. And I have no problem with that image includes Van Cliburn or Fort Worth part in Aviation history. But Image is way overrated when it comes to people wanting and looking for jobs. I don't think the Virginia guy gave any thought about Fort Worth image.  



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 07:17 AM

I agree.  Image isn't everything but first impressions are important to an outsider seeking relocation to a new job.  If you come from Virginia to secure a Lockheed Martin position, I believe that company offers relocation assistance. That much is a comfort.  There is the thrill of adventure in leaving the elitist Virginia culture and beautiful picturesque environs for the wide open spaces and downhome mesquite-and-sagebrush state of Texas.

 

Then, hopefully, you're hired.  And, with L-M's assistance, you move into a new home somewhere in  Fort Worth, or if you like living far out, then in Haslet.  Meantime, you do some sightseeing around Fort Worth and, of course, at some time you visit Dallas.  But, if you like a pleasant less-crowded, less traffic-congested environment, you prefer Fort Worth.  I would suspect that, if you are from Virginia, you like the high-quality cultural aspects of our city.   Private schools for the kids.  Depending on your religion, one of FW's good churches.  The Kimbell Art Museum and the Reata restaurant for the family.  Crockett Row for young adults.  But a Virginia family may want something different from where it originated, so it may on occasion want to tour the Stockyards. 



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 03:02 PM

As somebody who once relocated to Fort Worth for a job, I can say the absolute last thing on my mind was the "Cowboy Culture". Salary, taxes, and cost of living are the first things a prospective hire is going to care about. Schools if they have a family. Proximity to other jobs in the same industry. This is why pretending to be a cow town when you're really an aviation town is counter productive.
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Posted 26 July 2017 - 03:32 PM

From a tourism standpoint, I think there's still plenty of value in the Cowtown promotion.  It's easy to lose sight of its popularity if you've been here for awhile.  From a job promotion standpoint, of course the Cowtown image doesn't carry much weight.  I think the same could be said for other cities and their promoted image.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 08:02 PM

As somebody who once relocated to Fort Worth for a job, I can say the absolute last thing on my mind was the "Cowboy Culture". Salary, taxes, and cost of living are the first things a prospective hire is going to care about. Schools if they have a family. Proximity to other jobs in the same industry. This is why pretending to be a cow town when you're really an aviation town is counter productive.

 

I agree but the last point. Fort Worth is not pretending. How many people in Boston are still fighting the British ? How many people in San Francisco are still panning for gold? Or even pray to Saint Francis that was named by the Spanish ? How many real Dallas Cowboys are in Dallas today ? How many active military Forts are in Fort Worth today ? Many cities ,sports teams and even companies live in the past. If others cities also have same or similar history. So be it. 



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:58 PM

.... pretending to be a cow town when you're really an aviation town is counter productive.

 

 
Fort Worth was established in 1843...The Kitty Hawk took place in North Carolina in 1903.   Fort Worth was a military post and late a major hub/transit of cattle 30 years before the first airplane and another 50 years as cattleman stockyard hub. Even though it has a sizeable aviation sector, Fort Worth was from the beginning, and through its formative years; and Fort Worth is still today a historically accurate Cow Town.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:14 PM

The beauty of it is the diversity. Don't like the cow image? There's something else you can probably find to better suit your interests. 

Cowboy's & Culture is quite accurate, IMO.



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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:45 PM

Cowtown is part of our heritage, and is a great way of attracting tourists.

 

For some reason, we're not doing a good job of attracting new companies and development to our city. Dallas and its suburbs are attracting large companies from elsewhere around the country, but Fort Worth isn't. Dallas and its suburbs are seeing an explosion of new suburban office buildings, but Fort Worth isn't.


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:45 PM

Exactly. Well said.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 07:10 AM

For some reason, we're not doing a good job of attracting new companies and development to our city.

 

Right, that's my point.  If Armour and Swift were still around and doing job fairs, and hiring 500 people on the spot for high paying jobs, then promoting the cowtown image would be the right thing to do.  But look at Fort Worth's major employers.  It's AA, Carswell, Lockheed, Bell - guess what, that's the aviation industry.  People that are considering relocating here want to know if the job they relocate for falls through, there's a lot more jobs just like it around the corner.  And businesses want to know they can find the workforce here.  Yes, people and companies could go figure this out for themselves, but the City should be out there shouting to the rafters that this is an aviation town. 

 

You say "we can have both" but in reality, the city will only get one chance to tell people who it is.  And right now it's telling people it's a cow town.  That's great for tourism (maybe?) but not great for luring manufacturing companies and high skilled workers to the area.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 07:44 AM

You say "we can have both" but in reality, the city will only get one chance to tell people who it is.  And right now it's telling people it's a cow town.  That's great for tourism (maybe?) but not great for luring manufacturing companies and high skilled workers to the area.


BS.  You get multiple chances.  And cowtown is just one identity the city portrays.  Usually right after that they cite the museums, aviation, high tech, etc.

 

Yes, you *can* have it all.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:12 AM

BS.  You get multiple chances.


Okay here's a cherry-picked example. Nonsense article about flying cars by 2020 in "DFW".

http://cw33.com/2017...by-2020-in-dfw/
 

Engineering Director of Aviation, Mark Moore says, "Dallas has got a great aviation history and is very aviation friendly. There's American Airlines, Southwest."


He didn't say Fort Worth there - for a reason! Because "everybody knows" the aviation side of the metroplex is off to the East. It's nonsense, but that's what's in people's heads.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:29 AM

Fort Worth was a military post and late a major hub/transit of cattle 30 years before the first airplane and another 50 years as cattleman stockyard hub. Even though it has a sizeable aviation sector, Fort Worth was from the beginning, and through its formative years; and Fort Worth is still today a historically accurate Cow Town.


Right. It was a cowtown, and it is an aviation town. I agree with you.

 

The question is - what's the future of Fort Worth's economy?  Where do "real dollars" come from?  AA, Lockheed, and Carswell employ about 50,000 people combined - if you pretend the average salary of those jobs is around $40k, that's about $2 Billion (with a B ) in economic impact every year.  You have to sell a lot of souvenir cowboy boots to get to numbers like that.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:53 AM

... But look at Fort Worth's major employers..... but the City should be out there shouting to the rafters that this is an aviation town....You say "we can have both" but in reality, the city will only get one chance to tell people who it is.  And right now it's telling people it's a cow town.  That's great for tourism (maybe?) but not great for luring manufacturing companies and high skilled workers to the area.....Right. It was a cowtown, and it is an aviation town. I agree with you.  The question is - what's the future of Fort Worth's economy?  Where do "real dollars" come from?  AA, Lockheed, and Carswell employ about 50,000 people combined - if you pretend the average salary of those jobs is around $40k, that's about $2 Billion (with a B ) in economic impact every year.  You have to sell a lot of souvenir cowboy boots to get to numbers like that.

 

 

 All cities have history and jobs components and probably some other components that needn't be threshed out here right now.

 

I was born a Texan, and for better or worse, will always be a Texan.  It is my history and I cannot get away from that fact even if I relocated to some other place. You visit Richmond, VA and you will be saturated with its Civil War history even though the Civil War no longer exists.  Tourist come to Richmond expecting a recreation and to understand that history. Fort Worth's image was and is burnished in the Cattle Era; and not so surprisingly, tourist from U.S. and from abroad are drawn to it.  Your skepticism about it being great for tourism is plainly wrong, but it is also dismissive of the history of this City.

 

Now to your point about jobs and the future.  Based upon your criteria, there could be a bidding war over what is the current and future image of Fort Worth. I will begin the bidding with a few worthy candidates:

 

"Warehouse Town"

"Railyard Town"

 "Silo Town"

 

Ultimately, your conclusion that finds that "one image is a negative upon the other" is a flawed conclusion that iis in opposition of the way all cities seek to make themselves unique and interesting to the tourism industry.  I think that a certain kind of employment is being touted over other kinds of employment. Fort Worth is already behind the 8-ball when it comes to that game. However, a robust tourism campaign yields the potential to attract new residents and new residents create the demand for products and services.  I am not so interested in what the city to the east is doing as I am interested in what strategy will make this City relevant in the future.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:07 PM

 

BS.  You get multiple chances.


Okay here's a cherry-picked example. Nonsense article about flying cars by 2020 in "DFW".

http://cw33.com/2017...by-2020-in-dfw/
 

Engineering Director of Aviation, Mark Moore says, "Dallas has got a great aviation history and is very aviation friendly. There's American Airlines, Southwest."


He didn't say Fort Worth there - for a reason! Because "everybody knows" the aviation side of the metroplex is off to the East. It's nonsense, but that's what's in people's heads.

 

 

More laziness than anything else I suspect.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 01:11 PM

Ultimately, your conclusion that finds that "one image is a negative upon the other" is a flawed conclusion

 

This is what I don't get:  How some people view the world as a series of dichotomies:  "Either this or that.  BUT NOT BOTH."  That's just crazy talk.  The world is far more nuanced than that.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 02:12 PM

You haven't been paying attention to politics recently.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:06 PM

Ever wondered why so many images of Austin, Texas covered the airwaves or why so many commercials are produced in Austin?

 

I think there are major reasons for this -

  (1) the State Commission for the Film Industry is located there;

  (2) City of Austin is by far the most active applicant and the largest recipient of state funds for local filming projects.\

  (3) University of Texas ranked 12th in the world for Radio-TV-Film.

 

Here are two articles in the Fort Worth Business Press that show that Fort Worth is considered to have a distinctive character sought by production companies; and yet, Fort Worth & CVB are neglecting an industry that can create jobs and promote tourism for the City. UNT, UTA and TCU have RTF Departments; and can provide a continuing supply of students/talent necessary to meet the demand for industry workers. 

 

Besides, I want to be in the movies. :swg:

 

 

http://www.fortworth...498069ba2c.html

 

http://www.fortworth...031554271e.html



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:12 PM

Did you see this story?

 

http://www.fortworth...79c970f5be.html



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:17 PM

Yes. "Fort Worth tiene mucho talento". :swg:



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:29 AM

An Image of Fort Worth (a Panther) drawn on the Image of Fort Worth (a map) by my Strava tracker during last night's bicycle ride.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:16 AM

Very cool. What's the distance on that? I'm getting tired just looking at it.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:37 AM

It's a bit under 20 miles.  Then with the "to" and "from" my house, I rode 38 miles last night.  It was a Night Riders group ride.  Last night's leader, Durango, is a pretty fast rider so it was a pretty good workout.

 

I got home about a half hour before the rain started in earnest.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:01 PM

Very nice Doohickie. We could call that the Panther City circuit. I'm going to have to give that a shot.

It could also pass as the Sphinx btw

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:31 PM

Just be careful on Rosedale west of Forest Park.


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

....Well I been channel surfing of late. CNN and FOX  have been talking with people from Fort Worth.....

 

 Why were CNN and FOX talking with people from Fort Worth?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:25 PM

 

....Well I been channel surfing of late. CNN and FOX  have been talking with people from Fort Worth.....

 

 Why were CNN and FOX talking with people from Fort Worth?

 

Largest conservative city would be my guess.  All the cities larger than us have Democratic mayors, if I'm not mistaken.


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