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Posted 16 January 2010 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (JBB @ Jan 16 2010, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This article has some info. on the fate of David Wells:

A short note near the end of the article:

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Hadley announced that David Wells, who oversaw TCC’s real estate and construction projects, has been reassigned. Wells will be a vice chancellor overseeing all of TCC’s academic programs.


Those are two vastly different jobs. I wonder which one he's actually qualified to hold.


Briefly, my take is that this was a Golden Cushion deal allowing him to remain in the Cocoon.

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 01:43 PM

And he and others watching learned something new: That we reward people for their performance in strange ways - some more costly than others.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 03:59 PM

Well, it looks like TCC has filled its executive voids. What's probably most interesting is the new position of Internal Auditor. "Also announced was the appointment of Annette McCurdy as internal auditor, another new position that will report directly to the Board of Trustees,..."

http://www.tccd.edu/...s_Feb_2010.html

If anyone wishes to see what happens at board meetings the system is now set to stream live video and you can view past meetings too. The system provides an index of events during the meeting to make it easier to pick and choose your topics of interest.

http://www.tccd.edu/...s/Meetings.html

If anyone has the opportunity, would love to see photos of current construction on the bluff.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:36 AM

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Well, it looks like TCC has filled its executive voids. What's probably most interesting is the new position of Internal Auditor. "Also announced was the appointment of Annette McCurdy as internal auditor, another new position that will report directly to the Board of Trustees,..."

http://www.tccd.edu/...s_Feb_2010.html

If anyone wishes to see what happens at board meetings the system is now set to stream live video and you can view past meetings too. The system provides an index of events during the meeting to make it easier to pick and choose your topics of interest.

http://www.tccd.edu/...s/Meetings.html

If anyone has the opportunity, would love to see photos of current construction on the bluff.



Here are 3 shots from yesterday afternoon. Not very flattering shots with my 400mm. Maybe later today I can walk up close for better if the Sun holds out.
I will say this. The underground plaza is the most complicated construction project I have ever known. I believe way more complicated that the campus building itself. I just don't understand. I figured "How complicated can a hole be?" Man, was I wrong.






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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:04 PM

So are they going to build another ugly structure on the other side of Belknap?

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:46 PM

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So are they going to build another ugly structure on the other side of Belknap?



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Posted 02 March 2010 - 01:01 PM

At construction the new entrance to the Lourve was hated by all of France. It is now iconic.

Give it time. We probably won't hate it nearly as much in fifteen years. There will be some new debacle to sling our hatred and derision at.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 01:42 PM

Thanks Brian, You did a great job taking the photos.

Photoshop has a nice feature called Automate Photomerge.

Your merged photos look like this:


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Posted 02 March 2010 - 03:23 PM

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At construction the new entrance to the Lourve was hated by all of France. It is now iconic.

Give it time. We probably won't hate it nearly as much in fifteen years. There will be some new debacle to sling our hatred and derision at.

Most of the disdain for the new Lourve entrance was mostly because most felt it didn't match the original structure. It's now iconic because it is, matching or not, a gorgeous peice of architecture. TCC is just a disaster.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 04:51 PM

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Most of the disdain for the new Lourve entrance was mostly because most felt it didn't match the original structure. It's now iconic because it is, matching or not, a gorgeous peice of architecture. TCC is just a disaster.


Yeah, I'm going to have to agree on that. I look forward to getting a bunch of photos of it once it's finished, for curiosity's sake, but I'm not especially confident it's going to turn out to be any good.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 05:26 PM

The depressed (and depressing) plaza with the underpass or tunnel may be an aerodynamic nightmare. If it's a still day, the plaza will overheat in average temperatures. If the prevailing SW wind kicks up much, all the street garbage from the T & P terminal north will be swept into it and swirl around in mini whirlpools. Dust & grit and plastic cups everywhere.

Again, given the orientation to the prevailing winds, there's a possibility that any objects swept into the underpass will be the subjected to what's called the Venturi effect and pick up lots of speed as lower exit air pressure sucks it through. That will be fun for those under the street and on the exit side.

The aerial pictures from the last two years by Brian and others already shows us that the gray bunkers on the north side are just ugly lumps with nothing to provide any connection with the surrounding streets. There are almost no redeeming achitectural features. Someone could have done better with Legos.

When I look at it, hulking there on the bluffs, I kind of think of my personal vision of the Lubyanka prison in Moscow where so many were tortured. Probably the Lubyanka is a better design.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 08:11 AM

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When I look at it, hulking there on the bluffs, I kind of think of my personal vision of the Lubyanka prison in Moscow where so many were tortured. Probably the Lubyanka is a better design.


For comparison her is Lubyanka... http://snipurl.com/um3co

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 10:04 AM

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For comparison here is Lubyanka... http://snipurl.com/um3co


Excellent! Definitely imposing and with the ornamental details that the lump-on-the-bluff totally lacks.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 11:47 AM

There are two TCC board seats being vacated by incumbents not seeking reelection. As of yesterday I was told that no one has registered as a candidate for either seat. I think the deadline is this Friday...






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Posted 03 March 2010 - 05:22 PM

Hi Trust Them: Not

Yes I did pick up on your comment about hiring an internal auditor that reports directly to the council... that is a good first step. Its what the council does with the information that makes the TCC financially responsible to the city tax payers.

Ronald Reagan said "Trust, but verify". http://en.wikipedia....ust,_but_verify

Only then will TCC folks be brought back on board with the city tax payers.

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:59 PM

Does this project have a finish date ?

Has anyone at TCC tried to guesstimate a finish date for this bldg & sunken plaza ?

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 08:30 AM

I would think that any contract would have the following items

1. Fixed Price Contract
project description
project total price
monthly payment schedule
start date
finish date

or

2. Cost Plus fee
We know the project description will change
We want a guaranteed minimum price and we love to do your endless requests for modified work or rework
You pay us a guaranteed monthly amount plus a percentage profit
We will take as long as we want to complete the work
Maybe we will tell you when we are finished
Oh no auditors allowed to review and approve our billings

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:01 AM

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I would think that any contract would have the following items

1. Fixed Price Contract
project description
project total price
monthly payment schedule
start date
finish date

or

2. Cost Plus fee
We know the project description will change
We want a guaranteed minimum price and we love to do your endless requests for modified work or rework
You pay us a guaranteed monthly amount plus a percentage profit
We will take as long as we want to complete the work
Maybe we will tell you when we are finished
Oh no auditors allowed to review and approve our billings


The board now has an auditor that reports to them directly.

For details go to this link using the IE BROWSER ONLY and click on guest login. You will have details of pretty much all construction.
http://www.3di.com/impact/tccd/




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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:08 AM

Why does it not surprise me that TCC's little site there can only be accessed using the Internet's worst browser...

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:19 AM

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Why does it not surprise me that TCC's little site there can only be accessed using the Internet's worst browser...


It's also the most widely used browser for internet apps. Let's try to direct the venom towards the parts of the project that earned it. smilewink.gif

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 09:24 AM

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It's also the most widely used browser for internet apps. Let's try to direct the venom towards the parts of the project that earned it. smilewink.gif


It's also increasingly irrelevant to developers who want to actually reach people.

But enough of that...

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 10:57 AM

Hi TTNot

Thank you Sir.

Yes, alot of budgeting, payment and scheduling informtion there.

Appreciate the link.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 03:40 PM

I hadn't checked the construction info for awhile and just took a look.

Honestly, I've no clue as to how serious or benign this situation is with the Corps approval for the outflow drain. Here's what is buried in the detailed narrative.

"The Construction Team for drainage is on hold pending issue of the Corps of Engineer's 404 Permit to build the storm drain structure. Coordination between the design and construction teams is constant. "

For months, the report online and to the board has been something like, Don't worry folks this is easy and a no-brainer: nothing like the levee mess. In fact, one of Betty Brink's articles blasted them for not addressing this outflow drain issue when they knew it was a requirement.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:08 PM

What irks me the most is the amount paid to the consultants who knew, or should have known about the necessity of the 404 permit WAY IN ADVANCE. If you go to the district wide tab, you'll see that TPG-Parsons has been paid FOURTEEN MILLION dollars just in consulting fees...and that doesn't count Bing Thom, GideonToal or heaven know who else's fees for the downtown campus. If any of us made a huge mistake in our jobs that cost our employers millions in cost overruns, we would be summarily dismissed. Higher ed is supposed to be about competency, not the lack thereof.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 04:49 PM

Next to the TCC building site, as of this Saturday, May 8, there USED to be a small little red building at the corner of E. Bluff and Grove. I believed it housed a law office, but it has had the TCCD sign on it for a long time. Well, they tore it down. Who knows what is to come?





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Posted 14 May 2010 - 07:49 AM

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For comparison here is Lubyanka... http://snipurl.com/um3co


Excellent! Definitely imposing and with the ornamental details that the lump-on-the-bluff totally lacks.

My only previous knowledge comes from reading years and years of spy novels.....


Besides the egregious construction cost over-runs, every time I drive past these hulking monoliths I'm reminded of the ugly stone shelters used by the fictional underground dwelling Morlocks in the 1960 movie version of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine. If this "retro" mid-20th Century International style complex had actually been built circa 1958, most likely it would have been demolished years ago. Anyhow, if nothing else, it may serve as a visible warning to not build anything like it again in the future. Brutalism is dead! Hopefully, someday it will be gone and the gash in the bluff filled in and re-landscaped. As far as it becoming an iconic architectural landmark, I believe Fort Worth citizens have better architectural tastes and more common sense than that. Just my two cents worth...

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:11 AM

I drove by yesterday and noticed that they were tearing huge holes in the part of the building Belknap. Are they putting in windows?!

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 09:25 AM

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I drove by yesterday and noticed that they were tearing huge holes in the part of the building Belknap. Are they putting in windows?!



I guess it is too much to hope for that it is a prelude to total demolition.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 09:52 AM

My guess is that they are indeed knocking holes in the structures to install windows in a (probably futile) attempt to make them more attractive and friendlier. This was discussed in some PDF renderings of the project I've seen.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:22 AM

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My guess is that they are indeed knocking holes in the structures to install windows in a (probably futile) attempt to make them more attractive and friendlier. This was discussed in some PDF renderings of the project I've seen.


Gee - do you suppose that we will hear passionate cries of indignant outrage from Bing Thom and Leonardo de la Garza over their self-proclaimed architectural "masterpiece" being so unceremoniously defiled?

Humph!

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 04:38 PM

There's been some weird "divots" in the side of the building for a while on the Belknap side. Now they've got huge holes opened up. Not sure what's going on. The divots are still there- looks like something big was anchored on the outside and then ripped away from the wall, leaving a torn hole.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 04:55 PM

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There's been some weird "divots" in the side of the building for a while on the Belknap side. Now they've got huge holes opened up. Not sure what's going on. The divots are still there- looks like something big was anchored on the outside and then ripped away from the wall, leaving a torn hole.


Would appreciate a photo update if it can be accommodated.

BTW, I've pointed O.K. Carter to this site since it has such a wealth of history on the bluff debacle. I'm certain if he is elected in the runoff we will see some interesting - maybe heated - board dialog in the future.

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Posted 29 May 2010 - 10:42 AM

Read a great article in Fort Worth Star Telegram this morning.

Section B page 6B top left page corner "Open Meetings Lawsuit" Appeal

PAIR WON'T HAVE TO PAY TCC'S LEGAL COSTS
BY Diane A. Smith

Partial quote: "Fort Worth -- The state 2nd Court of Appeals ruled this week that a suit against Tarrant County College in which the two plaintiffs accused trustees of violating the state's open-meetings law in 2008 has become moot."

Should we CHEER ?


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Posted 29 May 2010 - 11:11 AM

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Read a great article in Fort Worth Star Telegram this morning.

Section B page 6B top left page corner "Open Meetings Lawsuit" Appeal

PAIR WON'T HAVE TO PAY TCC'S LEGAL COSTS
BY Diane A. Smith

Partial quote: "Fort Worth -- The state 2nd Court of Appeals ruled this week that a suit against Tarrant County College in which the two plaintiffs accused trustees of violating the state's open-meetings law in 2008 has become moot."

Should we CHEER ?


Unless the plaintiff's attorney finds the judge has a rock-solid ruling the plan is to move the case forward to the Texas Supreme Court.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:05 AM

Two pictures of the TCC Downtown building construction. Sure enough looks like they put large windows on the South side of the West wing.

I will never forgive them for not using real glass here...


And a 5 minute-old shot of the underground walkway progress. This "below-grade pedestrian tunnel" became a very complicated construction project to my un-trained eyeballs.
I am now intrigued by this area and still think it may wind up looking amazingly great.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:50 AM

I think I've watched Bladerunner one too many times, you could Photoshop this structure into that movie and I seriously doubt anyone would notice it. The structure is actually growing on me, even though I could see some town homes like it on the north side of Trinity River Vision that I'd like to live it, it doesn't really fit in the heart of downtown.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:55 PM

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I will never forgive them for not using real glass here...



Personally, I will never forgive them for thrusting such an urban renewal nightmare looking eyesore on the edge of our otherwise charming downtown - and at my expense and to the tune of $1,538 per square foot.

$1,538 per square foot. Think about that amount for just a moment.

This thread was started in 2004. Construction started in 2006. You will find postings about concerns about the price raised by various people from at least early 2007.

A lot has happened in our country and in the world since that time.

According to the FW Weekly article mentioned earlier in this thread, at that time, the average college building in Texas cost $225 per square foot to build while average private construction in downtown ran $300 per square foot.

Let's be generous and take away the $300 amount to determine that TCC overpaid by $1,238 per square foot.

Ask yourself exactly what TCC got for that extra $1,238 and what good it will do for the students who attend its schools or the taxpayers who have to fork over the money to pay the bill.

Think for a moment what you can buy for $1,238.

Think of all the painful cuts that countless individuals and enterprises have had to make in their spending.

Elsewhere, an entire government of a Western country (Greece) has effectively gone bankrupt with more very likely to follow. The governments of certain US states (for instance, California) teeter on the brink of bankruptcy. Our own Federal government is rapidly rushing down that same path: borrowing and spending enormous sums of money that it does not have, piling up a debt that will either have to be paid back someday by someone or else defaulted on or inflated away (which is simply an indirect, slower motion and economically devastating form of default). And we are approaching the point where, if it is to be paid back, the question then becomes whether an economy can function and generate the wealth necessary to pay it back under the crippling burden of the taxes that will eventually need to be collected to retire that debt.

What has put Greece, California and our own Uncle Sam in the position that they are in? Is it not the premise that, somehow, the law of cause and effect need not operate when it comes to economics? Is it not the premise that there is always some sort of Santa Claus out there with bottomless piles of unlimited wealth that can always be confiscated to pay for whatever emotional "good intentions" happen to be dreamed up by whoever happens to be in power and their various constituencies? And when reality eventually sinks in that there is no Santa Claus and that those piles of wealth lusted after from afar turned out not to be unlimited and are discovered to have, in fact, been exhausted a long time ago - well, look at what is happening in Greece.

Entire segments of the Greek population who were lulled into complete and total dependency on such largess are rioting in the streets demanding the government pay them money that it simply does not have. When they realized the government cannot pay, they demanded that a new Santa Claus be found - and when one was found, they are now rioting over the fact that the new Santa Claus, the German taxpayer, is stingy, mean, heartless and evil because it refuses to match the largess of the old Santa Claus.

Is not the root of the whole mess the premise that "it is" is somehow subordinate to "I want" and not the other way around? Is it not the premise that reality and the law of cause and effect can somehow be nullified and bended by the intensity of people's intentions, wishes and desires? And if reality and the law of cause and effect fails to bend accordingly? Well, it ought to bend - so someone needs to go out and force somebody to make it bend.

That is the world that all of us find ourselves in today - a world were all of the Santa Clauses and potential Santa Clauses are either broke or are already being bled dry. It is a world that has been in the making for a very long time but which has become far more apparent and obvious since construction began on the TCC project. It is a situation that will have significant and enduring consequences on every individual alive today and on every enterprise and institution. That is the backdrop against which that $1,238 per square foot must now be measured.

To give credit where it is due, at least TCC did not pile up large, unsustainable debt. But that does not let them off the hook of regarding Tarrant County taxpayers as being a Santa Clause to be exploited for whatever whim or fancy that happens to strike them.

Fortunately, governmental bodies in our part of the country tend to behave more responsibly and tend to have a better grasp of elementary economic reality. As a result, they are doing what individuals and business enterprises have no choice but to do when hard times hit: they are cutting costs and downsizing. Think of the extra $1,238 per square foot wasted on that ugly building against the backdrop of all the tough choices that responsible city and state governments here and elsewhere are having to make.

Think of the extra $1,238 per square foot wasted on that ugly building against the backdrop of some of the choices that YOU have had to make in your own life and the choices that your employer has had to make - and consider that, if you live and work in Tarrant County, it was you and your employer who had to pay the bill for that $1,238 times how many square feet.

Now, think of the sort of people who brushed the price tag of the thing off as "no big deal" because they got a building by an architect who was proclaimed to be "fashionable" by various trendsetters who dictate the tastes of mindless sheep who will praise anything so long as doing so will make others think that they are special, elite, cultured, trendy, fashionable or avant-garde - even if what they are praising is nothing more than pretentious crap.

$1,238 per square foot wasted to satiate the pretentiousness, the delusions of grandeur and the desperate pretense of self-esteem on the part of Leonardo de la Garza, the TCC board and their sycophants and cronies and any member of the public who knew better but refused to condemn it because it was a "fashionable architect" and supposed to be a "masterpiece" and to speak out against it might make certain people look down upon them as boorish bumpkins who drink the sort of coffee served in truck stops and gas stations.

$1,238 per square foot. Some bargain huh?

One of my favorite Ben Franklin quotes is: "When the well's dry, we know the worth of water."

The well is precariously close to dry - and $1,238 times however many square feet could sure be used right about now by an awful lot of people to quench a whole lot of thirsts.

THAT is what and why I will never forgive the people who were responsible for it. That gray pile of lopsided concrete TxDot highway embankment panels is indeed a monument to something: it is a monument to pretentiousness, to corruption and to out of control profligacy. And in that respect, its soviet style ugliness is somehow fitting and appropriate.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 05:47 PM

Well said Dismuke, as usual.

I keep hoping they'll spring the punch line to a long running practical joke and put on a totally different facade or encase it in something to drastically change its look.

One day we'll drive by and see a sign "HA! Had You Going" ...still hoping.

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Posted 31 May 2010 - 06:06 PM

Perhaps we will see some real change with two new board members. My sense is that Bill Greenhill, the attorney replacing Bobby McGee, will be a super representative for the people. After attending a local meeting to listen to the two candidates in the runoff for District 5, there's no doubt that O.K. Carter is the best choice. It is also quite interesting that O.K. Carter's wife resigned from her position at TCC even though earlier articles stated there would be no conflict there. If these two ally with Joe Hudson and Robyn Winnett, that will be a majority that can challenge the ego-driven president and her remaining cronies head-on.

BTW, as of April 30th, TCCD has $243,202,553 in it's investment fund.


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Posted 31 May 2010 - 10:30 PM

"Excellently stated, Dismuke".......and yes......We were there early with raised eyebrows, Brian Luenser and I (posts 10, 12 and 16).
As for myself, I have nothing but a deepening soul sickness at all which has occurred to this day; and as I watch TCC's own rendition of the British Petroleum/Gulf of Mexico" fiasco, I am left to wonder when TCC will ever just plug that hole downtown!
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 06:37 AM

I can't count the number of news stories, Newspaper articles and forum posts I've seen questioning the design, the location, the planned finished product, perhaps I've missed it somewhere, have they answered the question:

"What were you thinking?" I'd love to know the thought process that brought this to fruition.

Something like this doesn't happen overnight, did we learn anything from this... disaster? Has anything been put in place that could prevent Fort Worth citizens from being saddled with something like this in the future?

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:57 AM

I would have hoped that the DDRB would have thrown up some serious objections to this design - everything from the blank walls to the sunken plaza to the utter lack of street interaction and more is diametrically opposed to what the DDRB is supposed to be encouraging in downtown Fort Worth: human-scaled, human-oriented urban design. It seems like the TCC campus would not have been allowed in its present form under an effective design standard (note that I am not as familiar with the downtown design standards and code as I am with the Near Southside code - that said, the Near Southside's code wouldn't have passed such a '60s anti-urban throwback design and I'm disappointed that downtown did).

Of course, given that other anti-urban developments such as the Radio Shack campus, the Pier One tower, and others (not a judgement of their architectural style - a judgement of the way they interact with the public realm) get built with no apparent problem, I wonder sometimes if the DDRB and other people of power in downtown aren't falling into the "any development is good development" trap. It happens across the Metroplex, in both Dallas and Fort Worth, and it can allow some really unhealthy stuff to get built and praised as "progress."

Imagine for a moment if TCC had used its considerable assemblage of downtown blocks to build a more traditional (in form, not necessarily in style) urban campus comprised of sane buildings on standard city blocks, embracing and enhancing the walkable form of downtown Fort Worth instead of creating a blank-walled sunken repellant to walkability. Whatever style of building - modern, traditional, who cares at this point - if TCC's campus had been built of buildings on normal blocks built right up to the sidewalk with friendly, engaging designs and, say, things like a bookstore, coffee shop, etc. on ground level on the sidewalk, we'd not only have a much more livable, walkable campus, but I'd wager it would have been done by now and for considerably less money.

One would hope that DDRB and other downtown stakeholders would learn to be more selective in what they approve for construction.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 09:25 AM

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Imagine for a moment if TCC had used its considerable assemblage of downtown blocks to build a more traditional (in form, not necessarily in style) urban campus comprised of sane buildings on standard city blocks, embracing and enhancing the walkable form of downtown Fort Worth instead of creating a blank-walled sunken repellant to walkability.


I very much agree with Kevin's assessment of TCC.

Whether or not it should have been built to some strict design concept in current vogue (which may or may not in itself be a passing trend), there should have been much more oversight to the general design and integration into the bluffs and the city itself.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:34 PM

QUOTE (Fort Worthology @ Jun 1 2010, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One would hope that DDRB and other downtown stakeholders would learn to be more selective in what they approve for construction.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what we're stuck with now is not what was originally sold to those that made the initial decisions or the proposal pitched to the public. The version we see today was only unveiled or revealed after a huge portion of the historic bluff had been cut out.

I think someone should put together a case study on the entire process, may already be in work, I believe a lot can be learned especially if you're in the business of real estate development.

Overall, after it's a fully finished structure, I think people will warm up to it, some will probably say it's the best thing to happen to that section of downtown in quite a while. ...as long as they don't see the price tag.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:55 AM

Some colorful work underway yesterday (June 10, 2010) down at the ditch crossing at the base of the buildings:







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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:07 AM

Is that an yellow"oil spill floating boom" like BP is using in the gulf ?

Is the crane setting up to construct something at the edge of the water ? Like a temporary headwall ? The beginning of placing bridge piers ?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:22 AM

The color of the construction stuff is a nice contrast to that bleak and dreary sea of ugly gray concrete.

I have an idea. Surround the entire complex with a heavy duty chain link fence with circles of razor wire on the top. Place on top of that ugly concrete box that is being built to rise out of the "sunken plaza" across Belknap a glass enclosed guard tower.

That way, when people from out of town visit the city for the first time they will not say: "Gee, Fort Worth really took it hard when 1960s so-called "urban renewal" came to town. I am surprised that they haven't torn such an eyesore down by now."

Instead they will say: "Gee, that's odd - Fort Worth has a maximum security prison right on the edge of its downtown with a sunken exercise yard next to the guard tower."

The whole thing has a certain prison-esque quality to it - and the horizontal lines across the windows don't help matters much. I pity the students and teachers who will actually have to spend time in the thing.


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:04 AM

Perhaps this is the outfall system that was just approved by the Corps.

Monthly Project Report: Formal approval by the Corps of Engineers has been made for the 404 Permit and work has begun for the storm drain outfall structure.

TCC tried to get the city/county to approve a drain system that was above ground. That request was refused last year and the system must be buried.

On the wishful thinking "fantasy horizon" I'd like to hook the current chancellor and all board members who forced this completion to a polygraph to see how they respond to questions about the quality of their decisions in fulfilling fiduciary duties and whether the facility was ever really needed once R-S was purchased.


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:48 AM

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On the wishful thinking "fantasy horizon" I'd like to hook the current chancellor and all board members who forced this completion to a polygraph to see how they respond to questions about the quality of their decisions in fulfilling fiduciary duties and whether the facility was ever really needed once R-S was purchased.



That would be nice - though I think we all have a pretty good guess as to how the results would turn out. But you really wouldn't need a polygraph. The only way one can attempt to defend the indefensible is by means of evasions, subject changing, context dropping, fallacies, half truths and outright lies. And if you have the venue and the floor to actually demonstrate and confront them and fire back that such is what their explanations amount to - well, all they can really do at that point is either become more absurd in their defense or just sit there and squirm or else become emotional and hostile. Then the truth becomes pretty obvious. And that is why such people will usually go out of their way to avoid being placed in such a position in the first place.
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Posted 27 June 2010 - 06:21 PM

Some new windows for you. They look very good.



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