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#1 Austin55

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Posted 18 March 2016 - 11:40 PM

I could've sworn there was a thread for this particular proposal, but I've not been able to find it. If someone knows of it let me know and I'll move this post. 

 

Here's the update that is being provided to the city council next week. 

 

 

This Informal Report is to provide information regarding the request for qualifications and request for proposals for the development of a convention hotel.

 

Hunden Strategic Partners, Inc., (HSP) conducted a market and feasibility analysis of Fort Worth’s downtown hospitality market, including market demand for convention type hotels and a future expansion of the Fort Worth Convention Center (FWCC).

 

On July 14, 2014, HSP presented its findings to City Council. The final report indicated, among other recommendations, that a second branded headquarters hotel of 1,000 rooms be added on a site adjacent to the FWCC.

 

Upon direction from City Council, HSP issued a Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for a convention hotel developer on September 10, 2015 for a project near the FWCC. Five submittals were received and on December 21, 2015 a Request for Proposals (RFP) was issued to two development firms.

 

During the RFP response phase, the developers requested information related to the timeline for the FWCC Phase III expansion, the timeline and cost of the infrastructure work on the realignment of Commerce Street, and amount of incentives available for the project. It is difficult for the City to provide assurances at this time on the timing and incentive possibilities due to commitments on other projects, specifically the new Arena at the Will Rogers Memorial Center.

 

As a result, the convention hotel project has been delayed until such time that the City is able to have sufficient information on available incentives for a developer to commit to a hotel project of this size and the timelines for the FWCC Phase III expansion and Commerce Street realignment have been identified.

 

Funding for the Arena project is scheduled for July 2017 and the financial model anticipates funding will be available to support the debt service for the expansion of the FWCC in approximately 2025. 



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:15 AM

Re-posting this link to Bisnow (from the "Residence Inn at 8th and Houston" thread) only to reference the brief mention that a "Canopy by Hilton" is planned for "near the convention center."  No comment on the accuracy of this but, if true, whereabouts near the convention center is not stated.  But, if true, it would mean a hotel quite possibly in near proximity to the proposed FWCC 1000-room hotel.

 

https://www.bisnow.c...-headline-56439

 

Regarding the city's plans for the hotel, If the inadequacy of hotel rooms in downtown means greater marketability, you would think downtown would be a magnet for a Hilton or Sheraton to build the 1000-room hotel with private funds, without tax incentives, and in less time than the 10 years expected wait for the FWCC expansion?



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:31 AM

If all of the proposals for downtown hotels pan out, does the city need to largely subsidize another massive hotel next to the convention center?



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 10:19 AM

If all of the proposals for downtown hotels pan out, does the city need to largely subsidize another massive hotel next to the convention center?

I presume the city's role here in tax incentivizing or otherwise subsidizing the funding is on account of it being in conjunction with the planned expansion of the city's convention center.  Stated another way, the city probably wouldn't get involved if a Hilton or Sheraton planned a high-rise hotel elsewhere in downtown and the hotel was unrelated to a public building such as a convention center.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:35 PM

It does seem like the pace hotels are developing that a single 1k room hotel would no longer be needed with all the smaller proposals going on. 



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:42 PM

Star-Telegram article from Monday: Plans for second Fort Worth Convention Center hotel shelved for now

 

 

Until the city can provide more information regarding those projects, [city facilities director Kirk] Slaughter said they’ll have to delay the hotel project, likely until after 2025. The hotel can’t be built until the convention center expansion is done and the land on the east side of the facility is available.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:22 PM

 

Star-Telegram article from Monday: Plans for second Fort Worth Convention Center hotel shelved for now

 

 

Until the city can provide more information regarding those projects, [city facilities director Kirk] Slaughter said they’ll have to delay the hotel project, likely until after 2025. The hotel can’t be built until the convention center expansion is done and the land on the east side of the facility is available.

 

 



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:53 PM

It does seem like the pace hotels are developing that a single 1k room hotel would no longer be needed with all the smaller proposals going on. 

 

I'm not necessarily saying that it won't be needed, but I would assume it could happen without the nearly $100 million in incentives given to the Omni.  A smaller incentive package for one or a few operators might not force them to wait 10 years to make new rooms in the vicinity of the convention center happen.  

 

The fact that they are looking at waiting so long to improve the convention center after the arena is no longer needed is frustrating and represents terrible planning on the part of the city (clearly a pattern for which there is never any accountability).  The changes to the convention center should have been included in the overall package to fund the arena.  Waiting until 2025 to get their ducks in a row is going to increase the cost.



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Posted 28 March 2016 - 03:47 PM

It does seem like the pace hotels are developing that a single 1k room hotel would no longer be needed with all the smaller proposals going on. 

Apparently having five 200 room hotels is not as valuable for convention booking as a single 1000 room hotel because meeting planners place great emphasis on having very large blocks of their attendees together in a small number of hotels.   



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Posted 29 March 2016 - 08:03 AM

 

It does seem like the pace hotels are developing that a single 1k room hotel would no longer be needed with all the smaller proposals going on. 

Apparently having five 200 room hotels is not as valuable for convention booking as a single 1000 room hotel because meeting planners place great emphasis on having very large blocks of their attendees together in a small number of hotels.   

 

Good point.  And I would guess that advertising a single high-rise hotel in your program registration brochure has more appeal, too.



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Posted 29 March 2016 - 09:38 AM

Just a guess, but I would assume part of the issue is meeting planners wanting a sufficient amount of supplemental meeting and event space under the same roof as the 1000 rooms. A handful of smaller hotels are not going to include the same amount of meeting and event space as the larger hotel.

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 11:10 AM

Yes, probably.  But from experience at various conferences, there is a very large, primary conference space plus a handful of smaller satellite meeting spaces in surrounding hotels for hosted events, break-out sessions, but they have to be very close to each other.  Depends on the conference agenda.  Fort Worth doesn't really have a contiguous piece of land Downtown that allows for a huge hotel PLUS conference space PLUS convention center without asking people to cross a street on foot.  Downtown Houston and Downtown Dallas have massive contiguous hotel to convention center blocks. IMO that's okay because we dont want superblocks Downtown.  Those two hotel + CC blocks in each Dallas and Houston really act as barriers or walls in that part of each downtown.

 

I think the Austin CC is disconnected from surrounding large convention hotels - visitors have to walk across the streets (which is good for street level energy). 

 

So perhaps in the future the Fort Worth Convention Center and any large convention/meeting hotel will orient their conference space vertically, rather than just horizontally. 

Imagine multiple sets of stairs and escalators that shuttle people from floor to floor spaces.  Could work for a large number of conferences that don't require 300,000 SF+ of contiguous, single-floor space.  How large would each floor of the future FWCC would be after Commerce gets straightened and the arena gets removed?



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 09:38 PM

I raised this issue a while back and the most cogent objection IMO was over fire safety. Multiple and separated wells between floors containing escalators, elevators, and stairs should probably address these concerns; I would like to see a convention center hotel constructed on the same block as the new construction, above the meeting spaces. This is probably the best chance of having a significant bookend at the south end of Main Street to complement the historic Courthouse.



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Posted 31 March 2016 - 10:19 PM

I'm starting to like that idea the more I hear/see it...


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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:12 PM

The architects for the Sinclair Building conversion and the Hilton Hotel Annex have posted a video of their design for a new convention center hotel.  The proposal is a few years old because it shows the Landmark Tower, the old SBC logo on the AT&T Building, and it actually can't be built because the hotel extends over Throckmorton Street to the block directly across from the Post Office.  Pinnacle Bank Place is being built on that block, now.  Also, I had trouble seeing the video, but the hotel is definitely interesting. 

 

Go to: http://merriman-maa.com/portfolio/ and click on 3D Visualization and click the thumbnail that is a dusk shot.  It is the 4th one in the selection.  This will launch the video.



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 10:31 PM

Great find John. I gotta wonder how serious this proposal is? It mentions Farukh Aslam at the beginning (This is the guy behind Sinclair, Hilton Annex, and Marriot A/C proposals) so perhaps just a concept? And not in the location where the city had proposed the convention hotel (This being in the May Owen lot, the cities had been planned where the Commerce curve is currently) I'm assuming everything in this is outdated and never going to happen, just a vision. 

 

 

Edit - Here's a screenshot. I count a 41 floor tower and guess the podium is around 3-4 levels.

 

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:57 PM

A reader of Urban Fort Worth has sent me renderings of another concept for a convention hotel. Because of the delays in the building (see post #7) I wouldn't expect to see anything like this for a while, and of course the site of the renderings is now where the smaller Hampton Inn is going up, but the renderings are interesting as they give an idea of what a large convention hotel on Commerce St could look like if one happens in the future. Here is the source page for the images. 

 

This image shows the uses of each floor. It proposes 2 hotels, a Westin and a smaller Aloft, which would sit on a parking podium with retail along Commerce. Above the Westin would be several more floors of office. By my count, the total height of the building is 27 floors. 

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A view of what the facade materiels/colors might have looked like - 

 

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And finally, a the view of downtown from the proposed pool deck on the roof of the garage,

 

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 06:34 AM

I think it is a good idea to hold back of a second Fort Worth Convention hotel. I like for the Fort Worth Arena built first. Then do a massive overhall of the Convention center and Commerce St. I think plans are to straighten Commerce St. That I support.

 

Then redo the north and east end of the convention center. But what if they built the second hotel on the current arena site ? In other words a Convention hotel that is built into the convention center.  



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:50 PM

A reader of Urban Fort Worth has sent me renderings of another concept for a convention hotel. Because of the delays in the building (see post #7) I wouldn't expect to see anything like this for a while, and of course the site of the renderings is now where the smaller Hampton Inn is going up, but the renderings are interesting as they give an idea of what a large convention hotel on Commerce St could look like if one happens in the future. Here is the source page for the images. 

 

This image shows the uses of each floor. It proposes 2 hotels, a Westin and a smaller Aloft, which would sit on a parking podium with retail along Commerce. Above the Westin would be several more floors of office. By my count, the total height of the building is 27 floors. 

yOwJ4H5.jpg

 

A view of what the facade materiels/colors might have looked like - 

 

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And finally, a the view of downtown from the proposed pool deck on the roof of the garage,

 

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I'd like to see this built after the new arena is complete and Commerce is straightened, as well. Just have it in what would become the open surface lot directly south of where the Hampton Inn is being built. 


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 08:32 AM

I agree with Jeriat^^^

Straighten Commerce out first.

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 01:24 PM

Here are some more renderings of the never-to-be built Farukh Aslam concept.

https://drive.google...UmtGOE1Fai1OTDQ

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Posted 21 May 2017 - 03:29 PM

Enough land (room) still seems to exist today that would allow a creative design team to make a project doable.



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Posted 21 May 2017 - 07:33 PM

I'm not a fan of the Lancaster Avenue concept. The building is wayyy too wide for how tall it is.

 

I'd probably like the concept more if the building were half as wide.


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