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#101 renamerusk

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 07:02 PM

The proposed Residence Inn (8th @Houston) is to be used for extended stay.  What is the primary use of the Canopy by Hilton to be?

 

This is of interest because RI will not be a full service hotel with catering and meeting services; and if the Canopy is a similar style of hotel, then it would  lessen the need, IMO,  for the 800-car Cowtown Parking Garage to provide parking for these two hotels.  Does this sound about right?



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Posted 30 April 2019 - 08:54 AM

Where did you get this news about the proposed Residence Inn?



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Posted 30 April 2019 - 09:08 AM

I thought it was common knowledge that Residence Inns were extended stay hotels.  However, I will admit that I have stayed in one for just a couple of nights, when it was the only room I could get.  It was also a suite.



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Posted 30 April 2019 - 11:50 AM

Where did you get this news about the proposed Residence Inn?

 

I read the description on the Hotel Group which stipulates that the Residence Inn brand is "extended stay".  It probably should be clear by the use of the word "residence" in its name.

 

About the Canopy by Hilton, it is apparent who is their sub sector target, except that it markets itself as "locally" decor, cultural and food.



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 01:43 PM

Today the doors were propped open and floors and walls being lined with wood for protection. Seems that construction [714 Main]  is beginning.

 

 

Plans have been brought before the Historic & Cultural Landmarks Commission to convert the Fire Station No. 5 on Bryan Ave. to a hotel....

 

 

Hotel Drover is scheduled to open next year.
 

 

 I think the Dickie's Effect is noticeably taking place under our eyes.  This is an exciting moment in time.



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 09:22 AM

You think the Dickie's Arena is the difference-maker that has allowed these hotels to all get green lights?

Maybe.  The stockyards hotels I assumed were justified by pent up demand and redevelopment happening. 

The Near Southside hotel (Bryan) is close enough to both the Convention Center and medical institutions, but also located in a place that would be attractive to leisure travelers.  

 

The ones near the museums seem like the biggest no-brainer locations of all which makes it so surprising more havent been built or planned until recently. 



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 08:35 PM

You think the Dickie's Arena is the difference-maker that has allowed these hotels to all get green lights?

 

  Yes, I think so.  The new downtown hotels, the Near South, and the Fort Worth Stockyards are all located within a 5 miles radius of the Dickie Arena.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 01:52 PM

Funny sad, but truly indicative.  

 

A time back when I lived in Richland Hills, I became acquainted with the President of the Tarrant County Hotel Association. I also lived in Euless; and at no time did I ever consider myself as being a part of Dallas.  I wonder what he would think of this and would he simply shake his head as out of town people think reflexibly that everything 15-30 miles of Dallas is Dallas: Aloft Dallas Euless.

 

Do you count this as Dallas Inventory or Tarrant Inventory?

 

Fort Worth Business Press -

http://www.fortworth...dbe0119b78.html



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Posted 29 September 2019 - 10:03 PM

Unfortunately, they probably think that starting the location with "Dallas" will attract more guests. Their location in Arlington starts with "Dallas" as well.

 

Yet, they have locations in solidly Dallas suburbs that don't mention Dallas: "Las Colinas," "DFW North," "Richardson," "Plano," and "Frisco."


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Posted 29 September 2019 - 10:48 PM

I would be interested in knowing how,  if indeed saying "Dallas", attracts more guests.   I think that many people and businesses outside of Texas are capable of naming more than 3 cities in Texas: Austin, Dallas and Houston.  Marketing a Euless location as being within Dallas will be a big surprise when hiring a taxi or private car service (Uber/Lyft) to get into Dallas proper as people just really do not understand how big in area is Fort Worth/Dallas. (Yeah the distance between Fort Worth and Dallas in 30 miles; it ain't a skip and a hop!)  Also they will find that there is a limited number of  high end dining options in the immediate area. I can tell you that I have been surprised a time or two believing that I was near where I wanted to be only to find that I was miles away from everything.  I believe that this Aloft will miss out on the local attractions in Tarrant County; and get a small share of what ever local attractions there are in Dallas.

 

Why not brand the Euless location as the Aloft DFW Airport West; and for goodness sake, there is Aloft Dallas Love Field.

 

The Euless Aloft should be counted in the Greater Fort Worth Hotel Rooms Inventory; and inventory that group and meeting planners use to determine if an area has adequate inventory.  Sadly, this is emblematic of a lame Visit Fort Worth.

 

See how Visit Dallas does it: https://www.visitdal...ng-in-2019.html



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Posted 30 September 2019 - 01:41 PM

This doesn't worry me.  Actually, if I were Dallas, I would be embarrassed to have my name attached to a 5-story hotel, whether in Euless or eastward in the Metroplex.  Dallas, after all, is known for its high-rise hotel towers here, there, and everywhere.  And, since low-rise hotels are in plentiful supply in the Fort Worth area I don't think Fort Worth will really feel left out by having this Euless-based mini hotel branded as being Dallas.



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Posted 30 September 2019 - 02:55 PM

....I don't think Fort Worth will really feel left out by having this Euless-based mini hotel branded as being Dallas.

 

  So a guest unfamiliar with the area thinks of making reservations to eat or visit an attraction in the area, why would they logically consider a Fort Worth business when the guest believes he or she is in Dallas?  That is how Fort Worth's merchants are disadvantaged and potentially left out.

 

Shouldn't it come down to "truth in marketing?"



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 11:23 AM

 

....I don't think Fort Worth will really feel left out by having this Euless-based mini hotel branded as being Dallas.

 

  So a guest unfamiliar with the area thinks of making reservations to eat or visit an attraction in the area, why would they logically consider a Fort Worth business when the guest believes he or she is in Dallas?  That is how Fort Worth's merchants are disadvantaged and potentially left out.

 

Shouldn't it come down to "truth in marketing?"

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you with respect to Fort Worth's identity.  Remember, I created the thread ""Fort Worth" Going going..gone?"  By that I didn't mean the city itself, I meant the name "Fort Worth."  You're right that naming a Fort Worth area hotel (Euless is clearly in the Fort Worth area) as a "Dallas" hotel is rather insulting



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:26 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with you with respect to Fort Worth's identity.  Remember, I created the thread ""Fort Worth" Going going..gone?"  By that I didn't mean the city itself, I meant the name "Fort Worth."  You're right that naming a Fort Worth area hotel (Euless is clearly in the Fort Worth area) as a "Dallas" hotel is rather insulting

 

 A better sentiment to describe it instead of being insulting would be to describe as being "humiliating". 

 

 Really, the humiliation can be put squarely upon the harmful subliminal ideology that is perpetually espoused that "What is (good for) Dallas theoretically and will be ultimately beneficial to Fort Worth". 

 

It is a deep self created hole that Fort Worth has dug for itself. Sadly putting the toothpaste back in the tube will be near impossible, but there must be a Fort Worth First approach to everything, even at the risk of being annoying, before people and businesses understand that Fort Worth is actually a city; and not somewhere near Dallas or a satellite community of the Dallas.

 

It not about hating Dallas, it is about promoting Fort Worth relentlessly.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 10:26 PM

I would interested in knowing how,  if indeed saying "Dallas", attracts more guests.   I think that many people and businesses outside of Texas are capable of naming more than 3 cities in Texas: Austin, Dallas and Houston. Marketing a Euless location as being within Dallas will be a big surprise when hiring a taxi or private car service (Uber/Lyft) to get into Dallas proper as people just really do not understand how big in area is Fort Worth/Dallas. (Yeah the distance between Fort Worth and Dallas in 30 miles; it ain't a skip and a hop!)  Also they will find that there is a limited number of dining high end dining options in the immediate area. I can tell you that I have been surprised a time or two believing that I was near where I wanted to be only the find that I was miles away.  I believe that this Aloft will miss out on the local attractions in Tarrant County; and get a small share of what ever local attractions there are in Dallas. [SNIP]

 

Your experiences are exactly why some hotels are deceitful (or flat out lie) about their location.

 

Aloft wants people intending to stay in Dallas to book rooms at this hotel. So, they trick people into thinking they're getting a room in Dallas. They count on people not looking at a map of the location.

 

The Motel 6 at I-35W and 28th Street refers to its location as "Fort Worth Stockyards" for the same reason (though on a much smaller scale).


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 10:33 PM

Motel 6 is especially bad. The motel 6 at Northside and Samuels is called "Motel 6 Ft. Worth Convention Center" and the Motel 6 at 30 and Beach is "Downtown East".

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:41 AM

Motel 6 is probably starving for guests.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 09:24 AM

Motel 6 is probably starving for guests.

why?  They leave the light on for you!!



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 12:01 PM

"Towneplace Suites Fort Worth TCU Area" is actually at 20 and Chisholm Trail, hope you're not planning to walk to the game.

There's also "Extended Stay America Dallas Bedford", "Fairfield Inn & Suites Dallas Mansfield", and "Hilton Dallas Southlake Town Square".

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 02:20 PM

I'm just saying, putting the toothpaste back in the tube is going to be nearly impossible.  Our associations (hotel, VCB) have to speak through writing to these franchises to politely yet firmly make it be known that Fort Worth is a city with its own region; and by all means, Tarrant County is that region.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:15 PM

I think it's the hotel operators and not Marriott/Alot who made the dallas branding decision.

 

I don't know if I can blame them as we have too many cowards in leadership (and citizenry) who won't standup and say something. Meanwhile, we are being regionalized to death with "dallas" teams in backyard with not one prominent voice of opposition or support for even the possibility of a Fort Worth team.



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:25 PM

Seems like the leadership of Euless, Mansfield, Southlake, Bedford, et. al. should be the warriors on this issue.  If they don't care, I'm not sure the issue has any traction.  Unfortunately. 



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Posted 15 October 2019 - 10:32 AM

Not sure if this info has been posted. But the Waggoner building to become a hotel.

http://fortworth.cul...ignature-hotel/

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:03 AM

Yes the discussion has been taking place over on the W.T. Waggoner Building Thread under Historic Buildings and Preservation.   However, the link to this article has not been posted.



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Posted 15 October 2019 - 01:09 PM

I knew there was a thread some where about the Waggoner building. I didnt think to look under Historic Buildings

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Posted 19 January 2020 - 08:39 PM

I was in downtown Fort Worth yesterday and noticed that 714 Main was surrounded by construction fencing.  I may have missed this in another post, but has work commenced on turning that amazingly beautiful building into a hotel?

Amazingly beautiful buildings turned into a hotel -

 

Sinclair - Re-purposing completed; now open

 

714 Main - Re-purposing underway; opening in 2020

 

W T Waggoner - Re-purposing underway - opening ?? - http://fortworth.cul...ignature-hotel/



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Posted 19 January 2020 - 10:56 PM

The Sandman Signature Hotel at the W.T. Waggoner Building is also scheduled to open in 2020.  Below is a link to the TDLR Review:

 

https://www.tdlr.tex.../TABS2019018146

 

I would put in this word of caution about the opening dates.  The TDLR form is just an estimate.  Most of my projects that I submit to the State for review are never finished by our estimated date.  I would also issue some caution about the opening dates of the two buildings by using the Sinclair as an example.  That project was delayed several times.  It really wouldn't surprise me if both hotels don't open until 2021.



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Posted 19 January 2020 - 11:28 PM

Kimpton's latest expected opening is Spring 2021. I have not heard any updates on the Sandman, it has been very quiet. 






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