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[Thurman52]

Drove by today. Two more tower bases up along Edwards Ranch Road. I think the one at the corner by CTP is for a four story office building no clue about the other.

One crane went up yesterday in the wind. The second is half up.

[Austin55]

Stopped by today.

 

Office

 

 

 

[youngalum]

HCA is supposed to buy Forest Park Medical Ctr.

[Doohickie]

HCA is supposed to buy Forest Park Medical Ctr.

 

Nice.

[dfwerdoc]

HCA is supposed to buy Forest Park Medical Ctr.

they're only buying the one in frisco 

[Doohickie]

 

HCA is supposed to buy Forest Park Medical Ctr.

they're only buying the one in frisco 

 

 

....so far....

[Mr_Brightside526]

 

 

The exterior is going up.

[JBB]

Sounds like the Forest Park Medical Center property is drawing a lot of interest:

http://www.star-tele...le73420647.html

[Austin55]

 

[Doohickie]

Nice views from that building.

[John T Roberts]

I see that Neiman Marcus is the furthest along in the shopping center.

[Austin55]

Here is the clearest rendering of the shopping center I've seen. 

 

[Austin55]

Tx Health resources has purchased the hospital. 

 

http://www.star-tele...le77431457.html

[Austin55]

All but 1 Crane is down, and the apartments have progressed nicely. They are a mess of styles (I didnt get close to getting every angle here) but it's an interesting look for sure. 

 

 

 

[John T Roberts]

Thanks for posting the latest photos.  I will wait until the project is finished before I give my comments about the architecture.

[John T Roberts]

I was in the development Saturday and today.  The last tower crane was removed on Saturday, and I noticed today, the Neiman Marcus sign has been installed on the northeast side of their building.  It's the only sign that's up as of today.

[johnfwd]

This mixed-use complex is fabulous!  Neiman Marcus is going to be great anchor, at least in the short term.  My only concern is lack of visibility of this project.  I can barely see the Neiman Marcus sign from Vickery Boulevard, what with the railroad tracks and the trees blocking my view.  On the southwest and eastern sides of the project, of course, is the Trinity River trails, in which case the only observers are the few bikers and pedestrians in that area.  So that leaves that main thoroughfare through the project itself.  Of course, the project's housing will have upscale residents who may or may not be able to afford the high prices at Neiman Marcus.  So my question is, is there going to be a viable consumer market for this Neiman Marcus at that particular location?

[Mr_Brightside526]

This mixed-use complex is fabulous!  Neiman Marcus is going to be great anchor, at least in the short term.  My only concern is lack of visibility of this project.  I can barely see the Neiman Marcus sign from Vickery Boulevard, what with the railroad tracks and the trees blocking my view.  On the southwest and eastern sides of the project, of course, is the Trinity River trails, in which case the only observers are the few bikers and pedestrians in that area.  So that leaves that main thoroughfare through the project itself.  Of course, the project's housing will have upscale residents who may or may not be able to afford the high prices at Neiman Marcus.  So my question is, is there going to be a viable consumer market for this Neiman Marcus at that particular location?

 

Absolutely, they are centered near the TCU area and south of the Shady Oaks neighborhoods, and just north of the Mira Vista community. This location is prime, especially with most people who use yelp or google maps to find things, such as other stores that will be around Neimans.
 

The real question is, will Neimans remove those ugly utility lines between them and their biggest advertisement location, the CTP?

[fortworth81]

This mixed-use complex is fabulous!  Neiman Marcus is going to be great anchor, at least in the short term.  My only concern is lack of visibility of this project.  I can barely see the Neiman Marcus sign from Vickery Boulevard, what with the railroad tracks and the trees blocking my view.  On the southwest and eastern sides of the project, of course, is the Trinity River trails, in which case the only observers are the few bikers and pedestrians in that area.  So that leaves that main thoroughfare through the project itself.  Of course, the project's housing will have upscale residents who may or may not be able to afford the high prices at Neiman Marcus.  So my question is, is there going to be a viable consumer market for this Neiman Marcus at that particular location?

I think if they can build and market this development as a true "Shops at Clearfork" with multiple high end stores, the Neiman Marcus could really stand to profit from this location, and utilize it's surroundings.  And while the visibility of the development is disappointing from a marketing stand point, I think the CTP provides a clean and refreshing feel to the area with everything being brand new.   Let's just hope more retail comes to the development.  I think we would all be surprised how many people drive all the way to Dallas to shop at Northpark and other high end areas.  

[John T Roberts]

I do think the best visibility for the Shops at Clearfork and Neiman Marcus is from the Chisholm Trail Parkway.  When Neiman Marcus installed the signs on their building, one faces directly toward the parkway. 

[youngalum]

LOL--the development will not have any issues attracting affluent shoppers that the development seeks  

[Mr_Brightside526]

Development of the Worthington National Bank on the corner of Bryant Irvin and Edwards Ranch Rd began today. They are bulldozing all but 3 trees for the drive thru bank! Yay!

 

It will take 8-10 months to complete.

[Thurman52]

It will be two story building pushed as close to Edwards a Ranch and Bryant Irvin as setback allows.

[renamerusk]

....They are bulldozing all but 3 trees for the drive thru bank! Yay!

 

You are kidding, right?

[dangr.dave]

Three trees?  Hmmmm...I've always favored a scorched-earth approach to new construction.

[Austin55]

Here's an updated masterplan

 

 

Zoomed in on the future phases. It's blurry, but it looks like some significant height on some of those buildings, I think I'm seeing several buildings in the 6-9 floor range.

 

 

 

 

See for yourself with this link

[elpingüino]

Restaurant listings announced for Clearfork:
- B&B Butchers (a steakhouse)
- Doc Bs Fresh Kitchen
- Rise No. 1 (for breakfast)
- Malai Kitchen (Thai fusion)
- Pinstripes (bowling and Italian food)

More in the Star-Telegram: http://www.star-tele...l#storylink=cpy

[John T Roberts]

Thanks for the link.  I'm curious what the forum thinks about the Star-Telegram's claim that Clearfork is to become the NorthPark of Fort Worth.

[Jeriat]

Stopped by while checking out Whole Foods (no pics but I liked what I saw) and everything is shaping up well. There's even the signage on the buildings from the tollway. 

[John T Roberts]

I don't know how many signs have been installed since, but Neiman Marcus had theirs on the building in July. 

[rriojas71]

Thanks for the link.  I'm curious what the forum thinks about the Star-Telegram's claim that Clearfork is to become the NorthPark of Fort Worth.

I'm not sure about North Park..... Although if it becomes something along that line I wouldn't mind, but it looks and feels a bit more like Southlake Town Center

[renamerusk]

Thanks for the link.  I'm curious what the forum thinks about the Star-Telegram's claim that Clearfork is to become the NorthPark of Fort Worth.

 

I'm not sure either about becoming "North Park-FW" as that concept is under increasing pressure. (Galleria/Ridgmar/Valley View/Willow Bend).  Having one luxury store, Neiman Marcus, may be all that is needed along with boutique and specialty shops as supplements.

 

However, this will place added pressure upon Left Bank to land its one and only luxury store - Nordstrom's along with shops.

[Jeriat]

 

Thanks for the link.  I'm curious what the forum thinks about the Star-Telegram's claim that Clearfork is to become the NorthPark of Fort Worth.

 

I'm not sure either about becoming "North Park-FW" as that concept is under increasing pressure. (Galleria/Ridgmar/Valley View/Willow Bend).  Having one luxury store, Neiman Marcus, may be all that is needed along with boutique and specialty shops as supplements.

 

However, this will place added pressure upon Left Bank to land its one and only luxury store - Nordstrom's along with shops.

 

 

I'm really hoping for a Nordstrom's in downtown. But that may be a long way off.

[NSFW]

Thanks for the link.  I'm curious what the forum thinks about the Star-Telegram's claim that Clearfork is to become the NorthPark of Fort Worth.

 

If the claim is strictly about the retail aspect... I can see that, but we all know that Clearfork is more than a shopping mall. I can't think of a place in Dallas that has what Clearfork does, high end retail, living space, office space with walking/running/bike trail access.

 

Nordstrom will be a good anchor for LeftBank. If Centergy can't land Nordstrom I don't know who they will go for... Barneys? 

[Urbndwlr]

I know you're joking about Centergy (Left Bank) going after Nordstrom or Barneys but to clarify, that is grocery anchored project, as far as the retail is concerned.

They do have those two other buildings that front 7th Street and the parking lot to the north - I have no idea who is going in there.  I presume at least 1 restaurant, likely more. 

[Jimmy]

I always saw this project being more analogous to The Domain in Austin than to Northpark.

[renamerusk]

I know you're joking about Centergy (Left Bank) going after Nordstrom or Barneys but to clarify, that is grocery anchored project, as far as the retail is concerned.....

 

Since Barney's has vacated Dallas, it is unrealistic to think of it opening a new in Fort Worth.

 

But yes, no joking.

 

As has been posted in the "Left Bank" thread, Neiman Marcus or a store of its caliper (Nordstroms) was and continues to be a target.  Clearfork landed N-M; Left Bank would dearly loved to land Nordstroms.

 

http://www.dallasnew...pment-on-7th-st

[johnfwd]

I think NorthPark might be a model for the Clearfork developments, not only on account of Neiman Marcus, but also the fact that this is in a relatively new upscale residential area and is accessible via the new Chisholm Trail Parkway.

[renamerusk]

I think NorthPark might be a model for the Clearfork developments, not only on account of Neiman Marcus, but also the fact that this is in a relatively new upscale residential area and is accessible via the new Chisholm Trail Parkway.

 

 Except that it is this area has always been upscale - Tanglewood, Benbrook, TCU and Rivercrest/Monticello. 

 

The horses were already in place before this cart.

[rriojas71]

I think NorthPark might be a model for the Clearfork developments, not only on account of Neiman Marcus, but also the fact that this is in a relatively new upscale residential area and is accessible via the new Chisholm Trail Parkway.

 
 Except that it is this area has always been upscale - Tanglewood, Benbrook, TCU and Rivercrest/Monticello. 
 
The horses were already in place before this cart.

Don't forget to mention Como

[John T Roberts]

I drove by there on the way home tonight and it is really shaping up.  I did see the "Shops at Clearfork" sign on the parking garage facing the parkway.  Also, I noticed some of the lights were on at the Neiman Marcus store.

[renamerusk]

 

 

I think NorthPark might be a model for the Clearfork developments, not only on account of Neiman Marcus, but also the fact that this is in a relatively new upscale residential area and is accessible via the new Chisholm Trail Parkway.

 
 Except that it is this area has always been upscale - Tanglewood, Benbrook, TCU and Rivercrest/Monticello. 
 
The horses were already in place before this cart.

Don't forget to mention Como

 

 

 It would be a stretch to characterized Como as upscale.  However, its location and the reservoir makes it a diamond in the rough.

[Doohickie]

It would be a stretch to characterized Como as upscale.  However, its location and the reservoir makes it a diamond in the rough.

I took that as a jab at Como.

[John T Roberts]

Let's keep this thread on topic.  Please discuss the center, not the surrounding neighborhoods.

[renamerusk]

 

It would be a stretch to characterized Como as upscale.  However, its location and the reservoir makes it a diamond in the rough.

I took that as a jab at Como.

 

 

In no way should that be intended as a jab. Perhaps the reference was to post#240.

 

Unless, I am missing something, the property appraisals for this neighborhood is not comparable to the neighborhoods site in post#239.

[bclaridge]

Honestly, I feel that Nordstrom would be more likely to consider anchoring the next phase of Clearfork than they would consider opening a location either on West 7th or downtown.  Particularly if Clearfork aspires to be anything like the Domain in Austin, as they have both a Neiman Marcus and a Nordstrom now.

 

Yes, the Sundance Square area downtown would be a neat location to have a Nordstrom; they do have some stand-alone locations in downtown areas in their home base of the Pacific Northwest (Seattle and Portland).  But I don't see any reason why Fort Worth's downtown would be too attractive to them; it seems like it would be hard to renovate a building to make space for them, and their North East Mall location is a short drive up 121. 

 

With Left Bank likely out of the question, I simply see Clearfork as the most viable location for a Nordstrom in Fort Worth.  Clearfork is on the opposite side of town from North East Mall (thus would be less likely to cannibalize sales at that location), serves the high-end neighborhoods on the west and southwest sides of Fort Worth, plus has direct access to the area's freeway and toll road network.  Since Nordstrom is, on average, not as high-end as Neiman Marcus (save for some of their departments), the student body at TCU would also be a viable customer base for some of their departments, particularly for their BP. (juniors) and Savvy (trendy, young women's) departments; the prices in these departments are within reach for most college students at a private college like TCU. I could also see Nordstrom tapping into their partnership with Topshop as well if they chose to open at Clearfork.  That said, the TCU student would only be a small portion of their total customer base, and many students at TCU do prefer to shop online or buy clothes in-person back home.

[rriojas71]

I think a Nordstrom Rack downtown would work better and be a more viable option than an actual Nordstrom.

[renamerusk]

Honestly, I feel that Nordstrom would be more likely to consider anchoring the next phase of Clearfork than they would consider opening a location either on West 7th or downtown......With Left Bank likely out of the question, I simply see Clearfork as the most viable location for a Nordstrom in Fort Worth.  Clearfork is on the opposite side of town from North East Mall (thus would be less likely to cannibalize sales at that location), serves the high-end neighborhoods on the west and southwest.....

 

Any location west of the I-35W corridor is on the opposite side of town from NE Mall which places both Clearfork and Left Bank in comparable positions.  I feel as though it will come down to which of the two, Clearfork or Left Bank (LB), can offer the better incentive for Nordstroms.

 

With Neiman Marcus already anchoring Clearfork, Left Bank now has the more urgent need to capture Nordstroms so as to solidify its viability. 

 

Being that I favor neither Neiman or Nordstroms, I am "rooting" for Left Bank to be a successful development; and therefore,  I hope for that reason that LB can land Nordstroms.

[Doohickie]

I like cake.  Especially chocolate cake.

[renamerusk]

I like cake.  Especially chocolate cake.

 

Cakes may satisfy your taste buds and make you hope for a second slice, you need to stay aware that this high calorie dessert is perfectly capable of causing devastating effect on your health which amount to diabetes and obesity along with other conditions likely to affect the proper functioning of your body.