Trinity River Vision
#2051
Posted 09 March 2024 - 11:08 AM
Your Vegas example is interesting. I returned from a work trip there for the first time since the Pandemic. I forgot how much of it feels like an interconnected series of malls and seemingly no straight lines. Anyways, the greenfield that I’ve seen developed that is ‘dense but is it urban’ could be The Domain in Austin and basically its little brother the Shops at ClearFork. There’s lots of residential, office, and commercial space. However, does ClearFork feel like an urban neighborhood? I’d argue no. Some of it is weird design decisions or mandates like the Las Colinas pics above. Weirdly, the red fire lane curbs instantly make me think I’m in artificial density, it gives office park vibes rather than neighborhood vibes.
What excites me about Fort Worth is the urban settings growing out of areas that have been in the core of the city. I welcome the Panther Island project to have its urban ambitions. However, it’s adjacent to downtown. I’d be much more impressed if a developer built a dense, urban neighborhood in a far out exurb.
#2052
Posted 09 March 2024 - 01:19 PM
I'm saying I want them to start this off right and be much more urban in form.
I can't argue with that.
#2053
Posted 13 March 2024 - 01:30 PM
#2054
Posted 13 March 2024 - 02:27 PM
"Who will be able to afford to live on Fort Worth’s future Panther Island? What we know."By Harrison Mantas
I'm nervous about stories like this. No one has been able to live there for so very very many years while the project has just been an expensive stalled idea. Do I really want pressure on developers to make it less financially attractive to develop? I also think lots of stories like this are missing the important other side of costs of land and construction -- I honestly don't know how those work out for an area like this, but for sure they must be a part of the conversation. Would giving some land away for free be enough to meet an affordable goal? I expect probably not. I think the best we can hope for is some efficiency-sized units that are a little more affordable simply because they are smaller -- but if it has a bathroom and a kitchen, it is not like the costs are going to scale just by square footage.
I can't believe that an increase in inventory will have a long term negative impact on overall housing costs, so in that way every development helps. The article mentions something akin to gentrification for the surrounding areas. I don't think neighborhoods are ever static: at any moment they are going up or they are going down in value. Development inside the loop very often includes some displacement -- I'm not sure that we should be pushing developers to the city limits.
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#2055
Posted 13 March 2024 - 03:40 PM
Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
(with a misspelling in the first sentence...)
#2056
Posted 13 March 2024 - 06:50 PM
Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
(with a misspelling in the first sentence...)
So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?
#2057
Posted 13 March 2024 - 07:33 PM
Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
(with a misspelling in the first sentence...)
So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?
. . . who are these people?
BREAKING NEWS: "Some Fort Worthians are afraid of Panther Island... becoming what it was designed to be."
#2059
Posted 13 March 2024 - 09:36 PM
"Who will be able to afford to live on Fort Worth’s future Panther Island? What we know."By Harrison Mantas
I'm nervous about stories like this. No one has been able to live there for so very very many years while the project has just been an expensive stalled idea. Do I really want pressure on developers to make it less financially attractive to develop? I also think lots of stories like this are missing the important other side of costs of land and construction -- I honestly don't know how those work out for an area like this, but for sure they must be a part of the conversation. Would giving some land away for free be enough to meet an affordable goal? I expect probably not. I think the best we can hope for is some efficiency-sized units that are a little more affordable simply because they are smaller -- but if it has a bathroom and a kitchen, it is not like the costs are going to scale just by square footage.
I can't believe that an increase in inventory will have a long term negative impact on overall housing costs, so in that way every development helps. The article mentions something akin to gentrification for the surrounding areas. I don't think neighborhoods are ever static: at any moment they are going up or they are going down in value. Development inside the loop very often includes some displacement -- I'm not sure that we should be pushing developers to the city limits.
And it is starting to feel like Goldilocks and the Three Bears: Not too tall, Not too expensive, Not overshadowing downtown, Not displacing anyone.
I ultimately think what the TRV / Northside needs start thinking strategically about is how to clean up and phase out some of these industrial sites and plug some of these gas wells.
#2060
Posted 14 March 2024 - 12:25 PM
Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?
As a resident of the Northside I'm hoping the new skyscrapers will block Burnett Plaza from my view.
#2061
Posted 14 March 2024 - 08:15 PM
Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?
As a resident of the Northside I'm hoping the new skyscrapers will block Burnett Plaza from my view.
I live near Hulen/City View and I second this.
#2063
Posted 14 March 2024 - 10:01 PM
Burnett Plaza is a product of its time. By the way, in the winter at night when it is outlined, I can see it through the trees from my front yard.
It could at least have a different lighting system...
Honestly, I'd say the same about 777 Main.
#2064
Posted 14 March 2024 - 10:13 PM
John, I also can see Burnett from my street after the leaves falls. You can see Burnett and other downtown buildings from near Daggett Elementary on Elizabeth. A few of those North-South roads from Elizabeth are pleasant to bike on and occasionally give a glimpse of downtown.
#2066
Posted 15 March 2024 - 09:10 AM
Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?
...Sorry, I'm still on this.
Are there REALLY people who are complaining about the skyline view being blocked?
Because if there are, that's new to me. Never once have I heard of anyone complaining about a skyline view being blocked... mainly because that's a COMMON THING in every major city, that's not in Asia or South America.
There are neighborhoods and parts of the city that won't get a view of even one skyscraper. I live within the 820 loop and can't see it from my apartment. And mine is facing a direction where it would be.
#2067
Posted 15 March 2024 - 10:49 AM
I’ve learned to love Burnett Plaza, but if new skyscrapers block it. Bring them on.
John, I also can see Burnett from my street after the leaves falls. You can see Burnett and other downtown buildings from near Daggett Elementary on Elizabeth. A few of those North-South roads from Elizabeth are pleasant to bike on and occasionally give a glimpse of downtown.
I don't completely despise it and I have learned to tolerate it since it's not going anywhere. I think I would like it a bit more if it wasn't the fact that it's our tallest building. If we had 2 or 3 buildings taller than I wouldn't really give it a second thought.
#2068
Posted 15 March 2024 - 11:00 AM
Did any one tell them new skyscrapers downtown could block the view of downtown skyscrapers?
...Sorry, I'm still on this.
Are there REALLY people who are complaining about the skyline view being blocked?
From what I took from the article the concern seemed to come more from the consultants who, as well as adjust height restrictions to add density, want to loosen the minimum height restrictions because they said that it would give developers more flexibility to create shops, restaurants and music and art venues.
#2069
Posted 15 March 2024 - 10:40 PM
From what I took from the article the concern seemed to come more from the consultants who, as well as adjust height restrictions to add density, want to loosen the minimum height restrictions because they said that it would give developers more flexibility to create shops, restaurants and music and art venues.
Let's not and just say we did. I'd hate to see suburban style development on the island.
#2070
Posted 18 March 2024 - 06:37 AM
Who will be able to afford to live on Panther Island? What we know
#2071
Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:30 AM
The Star-Telegram series continues,
Who will be able to afford to live on Panther Island? What we know
The consultant report from HR&A Advisors of Dallas recommended the city allow for more flexibility to attract a variety of development. Suggestions include lowering some of the height minimums to allow for more single story buildings like libraries, shops and townhomes. The report does not mention including single family neighborhoods.
*sigh*
#2072
Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:37 AM
The Star-Telegram series continues,
Who will be able to afford to live on Panther Island? What we know
The consultant report from HR&A Advisors of Dallas recommended the city allow for more flexibility to attract a variety of development. Suggestions include lowering some of the height minimums to allow for more single story buildings like libraries, shops and townhomes. The report does not mention including single family neighborhoods.
*sigh*
Libraries, plural? Now they're just toying with us.
#2073
Posted 18 March 2024 - 09:26 PM
Do these crazy people not realize they live in the core of the city? Let Fort Worth grow without height restrictions!
Another Star-T article, "Skyscrapers on Panther Island? Fort Worth considers changes to its zoning rules": https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
(with a misspelling in the first sentence...)
So there's people out there worried that Panther Island could actually become a second downtown and possibly block the view of nearby skyscrapers?
. . . who are these people?
BREAKING NEWS: "Some Fort Worthians are afraid of Panther Island... becoming what it was designed to be."
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#2074
Posted 19 March 2024 - 07:29 PM
BY LUKE RANKER MARCH 19, 2024 5:17 PM
https://www.star-tel...l#storylink=cpy
#2076
Posted 26 March 2024 - 10:35 AM
#2077
Posted Today, 02:43 PM
Council is hearing an update on proposed changes to the "North Main District, which includes loosening up the height limits in a 9-block area.
The proposed interim amendments to the Panther Island North Main (PI-NM) subdistrict reflect recommendations in the Panther Island Strategic Vision Update and facilitate proposed high-density, mixed-use development along North Main Street. The proposed amendments to the development standards are as follows:
• Increase the maximum building height of the PI-NM subdistrict to 20 stories;
• Remove the prohibition against floorplates greater than 16,000 square feet above 96 feet in height for towers; and
• Allow administrative approval of one-story structures that are either part of a development site with a building height of 6 stories or greater or accessory structures.
The proposed schedule is as follows:
• Zoning Commission and Urban Design Commission briefings March 2024
• Zoning Commission public hearing and vote April 10 • Urban Design Commission public hearing and vote April 18
• City Council public hearing and vote April 23
Staff plans to issue an RFQ later in spring 2024 to update the full Panther Island form-based code with community engagement. The update will help implement the Strategic Vision and help ensure that Panther Island is a vibrant urban district that builds on the area's history and character, complements the downtown core, and creates distinctive neighborhoods.
https://fortworthgov...3C-879D1DF80E2B
Notably, the first phase of Seco Venture's project falls into this area.
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